Is the first resurrection physical or spiritual?

[Stewardofthemystery]

This was your best post of the day because it doesn't contain any misrepresentation of amil like all the rest of your ridiculous posts.

You just don’t like to hear what you sound like.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Stop spreading lies. Read my post. Open your eyes. See what I wrote.

I read it, you said spiritual….
WPM said:
company that have their “part” in the first resurrection in Revelation 20:6 are all those that are spiritually raised “in Christ” from the grave of their sin.” (End quote)

Again being born again and being renewed in the spirit of your mind is not a resurrection of the dead physical body. The dead physical bodies of the saints is in the grave, not their spirits.

 

[tailgator]

The first resurection is physical.
Them who are resurected in the first resurection were killed for preaching the gospel as Jesus commanded.Testifying of Jesus .They were physically killed and buried and are physically resurected.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.




This is the fulfillment of God's promise to Israel for them who keep God's covenant.



Exodus 19:5-6
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


This resurection of Israel is recorded in Ezekiel 37 and is described as being physical coming up out of their graves.
The invasion of Gog and the nations beyond the Euphrates and Nile rivers takes place in Ezekiel 38-39 and corresponds to the invasion of Gog in revelation 20.

This gathering of nations against God's chosen people in revelation 20 is also a fulfillment of

Deuteronomy 28
7 The Lord shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

8 The Lord shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

9 The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways.

 

[Marty fox]

That is what I thought ya’ll believe. But being renewed in the spirit of your mind is not the same as being physically resurrected from the dead as was with Jesus.

Those OT saints who died before Jesus physically rose when He did as shown in Matthew 27

 

[IndianaRob]

That is what I thought ya’ll believe. But being renewed in the spirit of your mind is not the same as being physically resurrected from the dead as was with Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15 says nothing about the body being physically resurrected from the dead.

 

[WPM]

I read it, you said spiritual….
WPM said:
company that have their “part” in the first resurrection in Revelation 20:6 are all those that are spiritually raised “in Christ” from the grave of their sin.” (End quote)

Again being born again and being renewed in the spirit of your mind is not a resurrection of the dead physical body. The dead physical bodies of the saints is in the grave, not their spirits.

The first resurrection is Christ. Read it. Stop twisting what people are saying. Nobody respects that.

 

[ewq1938]

Anyone who knows how to properly study scripture would know the first resurrection in Rev 20 is not the spiritual resurrection found in John's Gospel. It is about those that experienced the spiritual "resurrection" in their human lives, then they were beheaded during the tribulation for not taking the mark. In Rev 20 those formerly dead people become alive and live and reign with Christ on Earth over the nations using a rod of iron. That proves the resurrection they experience after having died is not the "spiritual resurrection" because that can only be experienced while alive when you are born again and receive the holy spirit. That they had died before being resurrected proves Amill to be wrong. It is their bodily resurrection Paul wrote about when he said the dead in Christ shall rise first. Rise=resurrection and first means first ie: first resurrection of the dead after Christ returns.

 

[jeffweeder]

I keep hearing the Amils say the first resurrection is spiritual, and that Jesus’ resurrection IS the first resurrection.

Both true.
As believers and non-believers are raised and judged together on the last day then it has to be Spiritual. A thousand years later the physical.

So here is the question, was Jesus’ resurrection spiritual or physical?

Jn 20
27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and put out your hand and place it in My side. Do not be unbelieving, but [stop doubting and] believe.”

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 Corinthians 15 says nothing about the body being physically resurrected from the dead.

I disagree ….

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodiesterrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Both true.
As believers and non-believers are raised and judged together on the last day then it has to be Spiritual.

It is written The first judgement is to the house of God, and the dead in Christ rise first.

 

[IndianaRob]

I disagree ….

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodiesterrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

I would like to understand your logic in this. Could you explain your understanding of the two verses below?

I read those verses as bare grain (the soul) is given a body (earthly body). So I f the bare grain is the earthly body (as you say) can you explain what earthly body the earthly body is given?

I know that sounds crazy but if you think “it” is the earthly body then that’s exactly what you’re saying.

37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I would like to understand your logic in this. Could you explain your understanding of the two verses below?

I read those verses as bare grain (the soul) is given a body (earthly body). So I f the bare grain is the earthly body (as you say) can you explain what earthly body the earthly body is given?

I know that sounds crazy but if you think “it” is the earthly body then that’s exactly what you’re saying.

37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body

If you plant an acorn it does grow up to be an acorn, it grows up to be a mighty oak tree.

37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body

So when the natural corruptable body dies it is not raised up again as a natural corruptable body. It is raised up a incorruptable spiritual body.

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[Davy]

Then you fit right in with the Amil camp.

No, that's a bogus claim. Accepting what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Cor.15 that the type body of the resurrection is to a "spiritual body" is very simple. Only those who keep pushing the old false Jew's tradition about being dead in the ground with the flesh in the casket raised keep trying to deny Apostle Paul's teaching, AND some... even try to use Paul's 1 Cor.15 chapter to support their bogus claim, LIKE YOU DID.

1 Cor 15:44-50
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

The above declaration by Apostle Paul that the resurrection is to a "spiritual body" is not a false idea that belongs to Amill believers, so your false attempt to use what Amill believers believe about the resurrection being to a spiritual body doesn't work either, SO YOU'VE BEEN CAUGHT AGAIN!

The flesh body of today is NOT the future resurrection body type. So those who keep pushing the false Jewish 'dead in the ground' theory are on the level of cave men with their thinking on that.

 

[IndianaRob]

If you plant an acorn it does grow up to be an acorn, it grows up to be a mighty oak tree.

37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body

So when the natural corruptable body dies it is not raised up again as a natural corruptable body. It is raised up a incorruptable spiritual body.

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Yes bare grain, whether it’s a pumpkin seed, wheat seed, or an acorn it has a body… a pumpkin seed doesn’t look like an acorn.

When an acorn seed gets planted into the ground, the SEED BODY dies which allows the seed to become a completely NEW BODY (tree).

The SEED, not the DEAD SEED BODY, gets the new body. The old seed body remains in the ground and continues to return to dust.

 

[tailgator]

Here is a description of the first resurection.

Ezekiel 37

37 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.

4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.

5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 

[RedFan]

Deciding whether the first resurrection is physical or spiritual may turn on the sense in which believers are already resurrected, or waiting to be. Paul usually says that resurrection for believers lies in the future (Romans 6:1-6, Phil. 3:11, 1 Cor. 15:22, 15:51). But Col. 1:13, 2:12-13 and 3:1 – and I am assuming that Paul wrote Colossians (a matter of debate among scholars) – says it’s already done. Is Colossians focused on spiritual resurrection and all the other Pauline passages on physical resurrection? That's not how I read theses epistles, but I'm interested in what others think here.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The above declaration by Apostle Paul that the resurrection is to a "spiritual body" is not a false idea that belongs to Amill believers,

I didn’t say being given a new spiritual body is a false idea. What I have heard from the Amils is the the first resurrection has nothing to do with the resurrection of the dead natural body to a glorified spiritual body.

They believe being born again is the first resurrection, which has nothing to do with the physical body. That is why they call it a spiritual resurrection.

 

[WPM]

I didn’t say being given a new spiritual body is a false idea. What I have heard from the Amils is the the first resurrection has nothing to do with the resurrection of the dead natural body to a glorified spiritual body.

They believe being born again is the first resurrection, which has nothing to do with the physical body. That is why they call it a spiritual resurrection.

The first resurrection is Jesus. We have part in that in salvation. The future physical resurrection is obviously not the "first" resurrection. Scripture proves that. Any resurrection after Christ's is obviously not the first. What is more, the believer enjoys a spiritual resurrection at salvation that is before physical resurrection. What er way you look at it you're argument falls apart.

 

[tailgator]

The first resurrection is Jesus. We have part in that in salvation. The future physical resurrection is obviously not the "first" resurrection. Scripture proves that. Any resurrection after Christ's is obviously not the first. What is more, the believer enjoys a spiritual resurrection at salvation that is before physical resurrection. What er way you look at it you're argument falls apart.

You believe Jesus was beheaded for testifying of Jesus?
You believe Jesus will reign with Jesus for 1000 years before Gog invades the land of Israel and surrounds Israel?


Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The first resurrection is Jesus. We have part in that in salvation.

Being born again is not a bodily resurrection.

The future physical resurrection is obviously not the "first" resurrection.

Jesus was the firstfruits of them that slept (dead physically)

1 Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, (first resurrection) and some to shame and everlasting contempt.(second resurrection)