Is the Bible the word of God?

[Augustin56]

Look again.

The BIBLE, such as a KJV, will state "W"ord..........See that upper case "W"?
That is JESUS the Word.

And when the bible is talking about the scriptures themselves, then that is the lower case "w"ord of God.

Jesus is the Word made flesh and the Bible is the word of God.

You do realize that the original Bible wasn't written in English, right? It had no punctuation, paragraphs, chapter numbers, verse numbers. etc. You also realize that the Bible is a Catholic book, right? The Catholic Church wrote the New Testament, which it declared worthy of being called Scripture in the late 4th century when it compiled the Bible. The Catholic Church preceded the Bible as we know it today. Christ founded a Church, not a book, to spread His truths. The Bible is a tool of the Church, not a do-it-yourself book to Christianity.

 

[Behold]

You do realize that the original Bible wasn't written in English, right?

What i dont do, is correct real English Bibles with "koine Greek".

Im aware that punctuation found in English Bibles, is added... exactly as italicized words in a KJV< are added and this is stated by the KJV Translators.

 

[Augustin56]

What i dont do, is correct real English Bibles with "koine Greek".

Im aware that punctuation found in English Bibles, is added... exactly as italicized words in a KJV< are added and this is stated by the KJV Translators.

So, you rely on a Bible created in the 17th century over the original one. Got it.

 

[Behold]

So, you rely on a Bible created in the 17th century over the original one. Got it.

What i dont rely on is "Church Fathers", who teach that dead Mary flew to heaven\, still a virgin.

I dont rely on Church Fathers who teach that you are born again BY WATER"..

I would never give my life to a Demonic Cult that cuts off parts of dead people's bodies, and calls them "relics" and makes them available to view.

I dont rely on Church Fathers who teach that a cookie in your mouth , magically turned into Jesus.

Lots of "church fathers', nonsense like that, which you believe....... is not something that is true, so, i avoid it., and so should you.

 

[Augustin56]

What i dont rely on is "Church Fathers", who teach that dead Mary flew to heaven\, still a virgin.

I dont rely on Church Fathers who teach that you are born again BY WATER"..

I would never give my life to a Demonic Cult that cuts off parts of dead people's bodies, and calls them "relics" and makes them available to view.

I dont rely on Church Fathers who teach that a cookie in your mouth , magically turned into Jesus.

Lots of "church fathers', nonsense like that, which you believe....... is not something that is true, so, i avoid it., and so should you.

So, the earliest Christians (Early Church Fathers), the ones closest to the time of Christ and the Apostles, have no sway with you. Instead, you rely on personal interpretation of Scripture (which Scripture warns against in 2 Peter 1:20), of a translation of the Bible created in 1604 A.D., which was taken from a Bible compiled by the Catholic Church, right? Do I have that right? I just want to be clear where you're coming from.

 

[Behold]

So, the earliest Christians (Early Church Fathers), the ones closest to the time of Christ and the Apostles, have no sway with you.

Zero.

Many of them were Heretics..
Even Valentinus... who is the Father of Gnosticism, almost became a POPE.

I learned my Theology, from Paul.

Most of your Church Father's, didnt. .. and you certainly didn't.

A question for you..

Paul said that Peter was married and this continued.. and Peter's wife was with Peter in the Ministry.

So, as the "cult of Mary" teaches that Peter is the first Pope....why does the CC forbid marriage, as Paul said "forbidding to marry is a Doctrine of Devils'.

Answer after you've looked it up......but that wont help, as your sources are all corrupted. @Augustin56

 

[Augustin56]

Zero.

Many of them were Heretics..
Even Valentinus... who is the Father of Gnosticism, almost became a POPE.

I learned my Theology, from Paul.

Most of your Church Father's, didnt.

Ah. So you not only hold to an English translation of a Bible created in 1604 A.D., but not all of it. Only those epistles written by Paul. The rest (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, etc.) are in error, according to you. If I may ask, by what/whose authority do you make that claim?

 

[Behold]

Ah. So you not only hold to an English translation

I told you that i learned my Theology from Paul's Epistles. "Pauline Theology".. "Paul's doctrine"..

A question for you..

Paul said that Peter was married and this continued.. and Peter's wife was with Peter in the Ministry.

So, as the "cult of Mary" teaches that Peter is the first Pope....why does the CC forbid marriage, as Paul said "forbidding to marry is a Doctrine of Devils'.

Answer after you've looked it up......but that wont help, as your sources are all corrupted. @Augustin56

 

[Augustin56]

I told you that i learned my Theology from Paul's Epistles. "Pauline Theology".. "Paul's doctrine"..

A question for you..

Paul said that Peter was married and this continued.. and Peter's wife was with Peter in the Ministry.

So, as the "cult of Mary" teaches that Peter is the first Pope....why does the CC forbid marriage, as Paul said "forbidding to marry is a Doctrine of Devils'.

Answer after you've looked it up......but that wont help, as your sources are all corrupted. @Augustin56

First of all, the Catholic church does not forbid marriage. It asks those who are to become priests to be celibate. There are married priests, but they were married before they were ordained and usually came from Protestant denominations. It is a discipline, not a doctrine, meaning it could change. I see no reason for it to change, since it is a good thing. It allows a priest to focus on his ministry rather than having to split time between ministry and deailing with a family firsthand. Paul was not against a celibate priesthood. Your personal interpretation of Scripture is erroneous, of course.

Jesus promised that "the gates of hell will never prevail" over His Church. (Matt. 16:18) Either they have, and you're right, or they haven't, and you're wrong. If you're right,we're all wasting our time because Jesus lied or failed. I hold that the Catholic Church is right and Jesus did tell the truth.

In all our discussions, the real basis for our discussions boil down to this: Your personal interpretation and belief in things vs the teachings of the Body of Christ, the Catholic Church, which was founded by Christ. You are cutting yourself off from the tremendous gifts Jesus wants to give you through His Church.

When Saul (Paul by his Hebrew name) was going around persecuting the Church, Jesus knocked him off his horse and asked him (see Acts 9:4), "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?" Note that Jesus didn't ask, "...why are you persecuting My Church?" which he was actually doing, but, "...why are you persecuting Me?" You see, Jesus identifies as one with His Church. Persecute His Church and you persecute Christ. Jesus promised that He would remain with His Church till the end of the world. (Matt. 28:20)

 

[Behold]

First of all, the Catholic church does not forbid marriage. It asks those who are to become priests to be celibate.

Thats a lie.

The "cult of Mary" demands that they never marry.... and that is to enforce "celibacy".., if they want to be a PRIEST.
If they dont kneel before this demand, then they can sit in the congregation and think about it, until they submit.

Paul teaches this is a "doctrine of Devils".

 

[Behold]

Jesus promised that "the gates of hell will never prevail" over His Church.

The "Church", is the "bride of Christ"..

Who is that?

Its everyone who has become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".. .this is "Body of Christ".... Its every single born again Christian.

 

[Augustin56]

Thats a lie.

The "cult of Mary" demands that they never marry.... and that is to enforce "celibacy".., if they want to be a PRIEST.
If they dont kneel before this demand, then they can sit in the congregation and think about it, until they submit.

Paul teaches this is a "doctrine of Devils".

No, that's your personal interpretation of Scripture, not what Paul meant at all. Or, maybe you accepted someone else's personal interpertation of Scripture. Again, you guys made up your own religion apart from the one founded by Christ, Himself. Good luck with that.

 

[Behold]

In all our discussions, the real basis for our discussions boil down to this: Your personal interpretation and belief in things vs the teachings of the Body of Christ, the Catholic Church,

Its the "cult of mary" that defines itself as the "church".

Jesus defines the Church as the Body of Christ........EACH individual Believer./. is the "bride of Christ" who is The Church.

 

[Behold]

When Saul (Paul by his Hebrew name) was going around persecuting the Church, Jesus knocked him off his horse and asked him (see Acts 9:4), "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?" Note that Jesus didn't ask, "...why are you persecuting My Church?"

Jesus said "when you've done it to the least of these Brethren, you've done it to ME"..

And Paul was involved in Killing Christians.....so, that is to "persecute Jesus".. as Jesus is IN each of the Born again, and this is the context of "me"... "Persecuting Me".

 

[Behold]

No, that's your personal interpretation of Scripture,

Good guess. but once again, wrong.

Let me just post the verse, and you can then read it and deny it, as you would, as the "cult of mary" does.

So, the "cult of mary" denies this verse, which is why they persecute their own Priests, and torment them, by forbidding them to Marry..
and this is a "doctrine of devils", Paul teaches.
And this is why many of them become Pedophiles.

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Ist Corinthians 9 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and PETER? New Living Translation Don’t we have the right to bring a believing wife with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peter does? English Standard Version Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and PETER? Berean Standard Bible Have we no right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and PETER? Berean Literal Bible Have we no authority to take about a believer as a wife, as also the other apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? King James Bible Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and asthe brethren of the Lord, and PETER? New King James Version Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? New American Standard Bible Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? NASB 1995 Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? NASB 1977 Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? Legacy Standard Bible Do we not have authority to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and PETER?

 

[One 2 question]

I should have given more detail. My fault. The Bible is one of the two main expressions of the Word of God. The other being Holy Tradition (aka, Oral Tradition spoken of by St. Paul in 2 Thes 2:15). The Bible interpreted wrongly is not an expression of the Word of God.

Great point. That would be misrepresenting God. And that is what Satan and his angels do.

We know the media have perfected this practice.

 

[JohnDB]

Your obsession to hate the KJV is up and running again, @JohnDB


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Get over your KJV hatred.
Find a real ministry.

I DO NOT HATE THE OXFORD/CAMBRIDGE TRANSLATION KNOWN AS THE KJV.

GET OVER YOUR KJV ONLY MENTALITY.
Reading only the KJV is not a requirement for salvation.

I like all earnestly crafted translations that are regularly used and understood by the people who use them. Where you may have an easy time understanding the KJV but a child or poor reader will have a very difficult time and see a wall too high to climb.

 

[Skovand]

While I don’t think any translation is evil or good, I do think some translations are better. I know within Biblical scholarship the KJV is heavily frowned upon. The Bible I see Scholarship mentioning the most as the best translation version is the NRSVue 5th edition study Bible.

 

[One 2 question]

I am NOT preaching legalism or rigidity in worship. The scriptures teach liberty over legalisms...very succinctly and clearly.

And the ONLY way to know about the liberty is to know the scriptures.

Are you saying that the ONLY way to know what the scriptures say about liberty is to know the scriptures?

Obviously what the scriptures don't record or refer to, concerning liberty, it doesn't and can't.

God certainly has been revealing to us how He wants to deliver us from bondage so we can experience freedom and liberty.

Those whose writtings have made it into the bibles have certainly been used by God to reveal truth. But the ONLY way to know about liberty is to know the scriptures, no way!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good guess. but once again, wrong.

Let me just post the verse, and you can then read it and deny it, as you would, as the "cult of mary" does.

So, the "cult of mary" denies this verse, which is why they persecute their own Priests, and torment them, by forbidding them to Marry..
and this is a "doctrine of devils", Paul teaches.

And only a noon-Ignorant student of Scripture knows that Paul was talkiung abvout the Gnostic heretics of his day (1 Tim. 4:3) and NOT the Catholic Church - of which HE was a part.

Do your homework, son . . .

And this is why many of them become Pedophiles.

Gee - then what's the excuse for the clergy in YOUR Protestat sects??

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