Is Jesus the "third temple"?

[ewq1938]

Good question, I believe Ezekiel's Temple could well be constructed as we have the plans!

It wouldn't be a Christian temple though.

 

[ewq1938]

That's a unique theory. Jesus is the third temple. Possibly so.

He was talking about his body not a 3rd Jewish temple for Judaism to worship in. It was re-built"when he resurrected. Definitely not related to the prophecy of the man of sin standing in the temple of God proclaiming to be God.

 

[face2face]

It wouldn't be a Christian temple though.

How so?

 

[face2face]

Check out Ezekiel 47:1...what do you see? Where is this spoken eslewhere in the Bible?

 

[ewq1938]

How so?

Read about it. It's a Jewish temple with Jewish practices including animal sacrifices for sin. That's not how Christianity works due to the cross.

 

[ewq1938]

Check out Ezekiel 47:1...what do you see? Where is this spoken eslewhere in the Bible?

Same place as this that speaks of fishing?

Eze 47:10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

 

[CadyandZoe]

John 2:19 ESV
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

Jesus and the apostles often used the term "temple" figuratively to represent a place where the Holy Spirit resides.

 

[Earburner]

That's a unique theory. Jesus is the third temple. Possibly so.

God is not found in temples built by mortal hands.

Again you all are looking at the truth, but you haven't confirmed it in your minds by "His mind that is within you".
John 2
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.

DON'T let His truth slip by you!!
Please see my posts #19 and 28.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus and the apostles often used the term "temple" figuratively to represent a place where the Holy Spirit resides.

Yes, Jesus is the Temple of the Living God.
He Himself is His Father's house!!
And, if you can understand that, you will also understand that we each ARE the many mansions, that Jesus is preparing a place for within His Father's house, which is Jesus Himself.
To be IN Jesus, is to be IN the KoH, to be IN the KoH, is to be IN Jesus.

So where is that place NOW, of WHERE He and His Father does live (John 14:23), ever since Pentecost?
2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure [of God Himself] IN earthen vessels [our mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Hear what the Spirit is saying, and NOT that of the wisdom of men, through church-ianity.
1 Cor. 2:5.

 

[Ghada]

John 2:19 ESV
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

He was speaking of His body resurrected from the dead. In His resurrected body He sits on the right hand of God.

His church is members of His body on earth and in His presence in heaven, and is His temple.

His kingdom temple on earth in Jerusalem will be built by His own hands, and He will sit on His throne of glory therein for a thousand years ruling over all nations.

 

[Earburner]

He was speaking of His body resurrected from the dead. In His resurrected body He sits on the right hand of God.

His church is members of His body on earth and in His presence in heaven, and is His temple.

His kingdom temple on earth in Jerusalem will be built by His own hands, and He will sit on His throne of glory therein for a thousand years ruling over all nations.

1. He was speaking of His body resurrected from the dead. In His resurrected body He sits on the right hand of God.
>In #1 you are doing absolutely fine. You are spot on.

2. His church is members of His body on earth and in His presence in heaven, and is His temple.
> In #2 you are half correct.
By His Holy Spirit within us, we are members of His body, being that of His invisible church of Born Again Christians, that are "peppered" in all the visible Denominations. All of such are waiting for Jesus' visible return, to be bodily resurrected

3. His kingdom temple on earth in Jerusalem will be built by His own hands, and He will sit on His throne of glory therein for a thousand years ruling over all nations.
> As for #3, you went sideways, and upside down. We, who will be in our glorified, Immortal bodies, are not going to rule over mortals that die.
The grace of God will have ended in the Day of Jesus' Glorious and Immortal return.
There will be no second chances in a wannabe KoG on earth, for another one thousand years. Such a belief is signing up to Jewish folklore.

 

[ewq1938]

3. His kingdom temple on earth in Jerusalem will be built by His own hands, and He will sit on His throne of glory therein for a thousand years ruling over all nations.
> As for #3, you went sideways, and upside down. We, who will be in our glorified, Immortal bodies, are not going to rule over mortals that die.

Rev 2 and 19 promise a rule over the nations after the return of Christ. That happens during the thousand years of Rev 20.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

 

[Earburner]

Rev 2 and 19 promise a rule over the nations after the return of Christ. That happens during the thousand years of Rev 20.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

So says "the wisdom of men" of that which is where you are putting your faith. 1 Cor. 2:5. The Pharisees were "word crunchers" also. They missed the day of their visitation.

There is no more salvation of God's Grace through Jesus, after He comes from heaven in all His Immortal Glory.
Heb. 9
[24] For Christ is NOT entered into the holy places made with hands (a Jewish temple), which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
[25] Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
[28] So Christ was once [one time] offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin UNTO salvation.
In that DAY, for all those who ARE NOT looking for Him, their reward will be NOT SALVATION, but rather utter destruction.

You are conveniently forgetting about the days of Noah and Lot, of which Jesus clearly REMINDS all of what to expect.
He concludes it this way:
KJV Luke 17
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until THE DAY that Noe ENTERED into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the SAME day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
 Edit: [30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Everyone should re-read about Lot and Sodom. You will discover that his deliverance from Sodom and it's fiery destruction, all took place in 24 hours, the SAME DAY.
KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10 explains it the same, just as well, by the word "WHEN", written two times, in verses 7 and 10.

YES, you should agree that salvation for us and the destruction of all the wicked, in THAT DAY, is a simultaneous event.

 

[ewq1938]

So says "the wisdom of men"

The false wisdom of men say what you say, denying the truth of scripture and denying the verb tenses the Holy Spirit inspired to be written. The text of Rev 19 proves Amill to be wrong. A rule over the nations does take place AFTER the events of Armageddon.

 

[Earburner]

The false wisdom of men say what you say, denying the truth of scripture and denying the verb tenses the Holy Spirit inspired to be written. The text of Rev 19 proves Amill to be wrong. A rule over the nations does take place AFTER the events of Armageddon.

The Holy Spirit of God DOES NOT contradict Himself in all the NT prophetic scriptures!! Therefore the premil understanding of Rev. 19 is the contradiction.

Since it won't be by God's Grace through faith in Jesus, whereby all must come to be saved, for what purpose and reason shall all who took "the mark of the beast", be left alive to continue living on into an additional 1000 years??
After Jesus returns, there will be no second chances for the gift of God's Holy Spirit by faith, that seals a believer unto salvation.
Edit: Rom. 8:9.....Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[ewq1938]

The Holy Spirit of God DOES NOT contradict Himself in all the NT prophetic scriptures!! Therefore the premil understanding of Rev. 19 is the contradiction.

You are avoiding the fact that the Greek word for RULE over the nations in Rev 19 is in the future tense proving it is not happening during the SMITING and TREADING and violence of Rev 19.

That proves Premill's understanding that the RULE over the nations takes place after the second coming and battle of Arm. are over. Amill has no answer for this and does as you do, avoid it and try to change the subject. Enjoy that gaping hole in your theology.

 

[Earburner]

You are avoiding the fact that the Greek word for RULE over the nations in Rev 19 is in the future tense proving it is not happening during the SMITING and TREADING and violence of Rev 19.

That proves Premill's understanding that the RULE over the nations takes place after the second coming and battle of Arm. are over. Amill has no answer for this and does as you do, avoid it and try to change the subject. Enjoy that gaping hole in your theology.

Have it your way by the wisdom of men, but the simple words of Rom. 8:9 speaks volumes against the premil view.

So then, if you continue to hold to it, then you really do not understand how the Holy Spirit of God within us, is the vehicle of Eternal Life, being the very seed of our own resurrection, on the day of Christ's return.

Rom. 8:9 applies, and the details of it is clearly shown in the parable of the Wedding Garment and the parable of the Ten Virgins.

 

[ewq1938]

Have it your way by the wisdom of men,

Yours is the wisdom of verb tense ignoring men. You ignore and avoid the verb tense that proves your interpretation false. Address this issue.

but the simple words of Rom. 8:9 speaks volumes against the premil view.

It does not but you are using this as a red herring fallacy to get away from the verb tense I have brought up that proves Premill. Until you address that, I will not address your various attempts to change the subject.

 

[Earburner]

Yours is the wisdom of verb tense ignoring men. You ignore and avoid the verb tense that proves your interpretation false. Address this issue.





It does not but you are using this as a red herring fallacy to get away from the verb tense I have brought up that proves Premill. Until you address that, I will not address your various attempts to change the subject.

Through Christ's own words, by His parables, I am addressing the premill view of the Day of the Lord's Glorious return.

1. In the parable of the Wedding Garment (Mat. 22:1-14), what happens to a person if he does not have a wedding garment (verse 13)?
>If a person has no wedding garment (the Holy Spirit), how shall they be allowed to ever be in a supposed KoG on earth for an additional 1000 years? But if so, what's the purpose and reason, if they can never be saved?

2. In the parable of the Ten virgins (Mat. 25:1-13), the five foolish virgins took no "oil" with their lamps, but the wise virgins did take "oil" with their lamps. What did Jesus say to the five foolish? Verse 12.
> If a person neglects to take oil in their vessels (the Holy Spirit), to keep their lamps* "lively", and therefore are not ready to meet the Lord upon His coming, the door was shut, Him saying: "I never knew you".
It is impossible for them to enter in.
Rom. 8:9 will apply.
But if so, how and why are they allowed to continue to be present in a supposed KoG on earth for an additional 1000 years, without God's Holy Spirit?

*Note: [105] Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

 

[ewq1938]

Through Christ's own words, by His parables, I am addressing the premill view of the Day of the Lord's Glorious return.

1. In the parable of the Wedding Garment (Mat. 22:1-14), what happens to a person if he does not have a wedding garment (verse 13)?
>If a person has no wedding garment (the Holy Spirit), how shall they be allowed to ever be in a supposed KoG on earth for an additional 1000 years? But if so, what's the purpose and reason, if they can never be saved?

2. In the parable of the Ten virgins (Mat. 25:1-13), the five foolish virgins took no "oil" with their lamps, but the wise virgins did take "oil" with their lamps. What did Jesus say to the five foolish? Verse 12.
> If a person neglects to take oil in their vessels (the Holy Spirit), to keep their lamps* "lively", and therefore are not ready to meet the Lord upon His coming, the door was shut, Him saying: "I never knew you".
It is impossible for them to enter in.
Rom. 8:9 will apply.
But if so, how and why are they allowed to continue to be present in a supposed KoG on earth for an additional 1000 years, without God's Holy Spirit?

*Note: [105] Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

More avoiding the issue of the RULE over the nations in future tense in Rev 19 proving people will be alive to be ruled over after Armageddon. Amill cannot acknowledge this, and none can dispute it so they just try to change the subject.

Verb tenses are very important and should never be ignored. If I said, "I'm at the store buying (present tense verb) the ingredients for Spaghetti so I can cook (future tense verb) Spaghetti for you." No one should think I was cooking Spaghetti in the store. Clearly the buying is at a different time than the cooking. It's the same with the events of Revelation 19. There are verbs there in the present tense regarding smiting and treading which are violent actions and they take place during that battle. There is another event mentioned there about ruling over people but it is written in the future tense proving it happens AFTER the violent events. The ruling is not happening during the violent events of the second coming and the battle of Armageddon. Furthermore the Greek word for "rule" means to take care as a Shepherd would so the rule is peaceful which makes sense. There is a battle and a lot of killing, then non-military/civilian survivors are cared for in a Shepherding sense. That happened in wars the United States was in such as after WW2 was over, we actually helped Germany and Japan rebuild.