Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

[Behold]

Guard it...as in it could be lost.

Nonsense.

So, whomever the Heretic is or the Cult that taught you to not understand The Blood Atonement... I hope you are able to get away from it, them.... JohnDB

Listen....

"Christ in you, the Hope of Glory", is literally the born again spirit, BIRTHED into Spiritual Union with God Himself.

He causes this., which is to have BECOME, "A new Creation IN Christ"

Never teach that this BIRTH can be lost.
You can never stop being born again.

 

[Jack]

Matthew 5
Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[JohnDB]

Nonsense.

So, whomever the Heretic is or the Cult that taught you to not understand The Blood Atonement... I hope you are able to get away from it, them.... JohnDB

Listen....

"Christ in you, the Hope of Glory", is literally the born again spirit, BIRTHED into Spiritual Union with God Himself.

He causes this., which is to have BECOME, "A new Creation IN Christ"

Never teach that this BIRTH can be lost.
You can never stop being born again.

You hope I get away from God and his scriptures?

Especially the part where it says "continually work out your salvation in FEAR AND TREMBLING " ?

No thanks....I believe God long before I will listen to anyone else.

 

[Behold]

You hope I get away from God and his scriptures?

"Water Cults" teach ... that water washes away your sin.

So, avoid those.

Also, people who do not understand the Cross of Christ, that is God's plan of Redemption, believe they can lose their salvation.

So, anyone who is born again, has to be taught that lie., and those are the people that you need to avoid.

See, you never just opened a bible, and found a few verses that made you believe that your salvation, is only as good as your behavior.

You have to be taught that Cross denying theology, before you can teach it.
That's what happened to you.

 

[Jack]

I wonder if those who preach OSAS are trying to convince each other.

 

[Behold]

I wonder if those who preach OSAS are trying to convince each other.

People who obsess on "OSAS", can't explain why the Blood of Jesus keeps you saved.

And the last thing they want to be found doing, is saying on a Publc forum that it doesn't.

"God is not mocked" so, leave that one alone......

These same people can't even comprehend why "without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of sin" that is the Blood of Jesus that has redeemed a sinner from all sin, forever.

A.) "God had made JESUS to be SIN FOR US"..... because "JESUS is the ONE TIME.... ETERNAL.... SACRIFICE ... for sin".

But they can talk about water, and works, and commandments.
"night and day".

 

[Jack]

People who obsess on "OSAS", can't explain why the Blood of Jesus keeps you saved.

They can't even comprehend why it redeems a sinner from all sin, forever.

Then why does the NT give so many warnings to Christians? If a Christian can NEVER be unsaved why bother to convince Christians? No sense at all.

 

[Behold]

Then why does the NT give so many warnings to Christians?

The NT does not warn a born again about losing Salvation.

It does warn unsaved Hebrews = Jews about the consequences of "willfully sinning" and "there remains no more sacrifice for your sin"... and so forth...

See There are cult people, and people who are religious but lost, and some real Christians, who have been led into "wrongly dividing" the word of God, and the 2nd worst cult teaching, regarding offending the Cross....is when just a handful of verses are twisted and used to try to convince a real Christian, that Christ in them, isn't ETERNAL Salvation.

So, this "lose your salvation" heresy that obsesses people who can't understand Salvation,.. is the devil's ministry.

 

[Jack]

The NT does not warn a born again about losing Salvation.

You must be reading a different Bible than me.
Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, (Christians) 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

It does warn unsaved Hebrews = Jews about the consequences of "willfully sinning" and "there remains no more sacrifice for your sin"... and so forth...

See There are cult people, and people who are religious but lost, and some real Christians, who have been led into "wrongly dividing" the word of God, and the 2nd worst cult teaching, regarding offending the Cross....is when just a handful of verses are twisted and used to try to convince a real Christian, that Christ in them, isn't ETERNAL Salvation.

So, this "lose your salvation" heresy that obsesses people who can't understand Salvation,.. is the devil's ministry.

Why do you preach OSAS to Christians?

 

[amigo de christo]

Something so simple came to me as i re read the title of this thread .
The answer is THEY SEND THEMSELVES THERE . now let us go and learn what that means . MAN DOES IT TO HIMSELF .
learn well that bible my friends . LEARN that JESUS , learn , love and embrace EVERY WORD for its meat for the soul .

 

[Behold]

You must be reading a different Bible than me.
Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, (Christians)

First of all, If you have 40 seconds, let me show you how to get out of taking verses that are given to unsaved HEBREWS, in Paul's epistle to the HEBREWS... so that you never again point verses not given as doctrine to the Bride of Christ wrongly at yourself or at Real Believers.

Just go to Acts 28:28.. and spend 40 seconds there.

Read the same account, that is Hebrews 6 and 10.... as Acts 28:28, and verses leading to it, is the same event.
See, sometimes different Epistles recant the same story or situation, and give you the actual CONTEXT.
So, you have to put down the "online sites" and "commentaries" and get a Bible and study it, or you'll end up, teaching Cultish Cross denying doctrine.

In Acts 28:28, the Same Apostle Paul, is dealing with the same Christ Rejecting Hebrews.... as you've read in Hebrews 6 & 10.

He completes the situation in Acts 28:28, and tells these Christ Rejecting HEBREWS< that he is taking the Gospel that they have rejected, "done despite to the spirit of Grace" and "Trodden under foot the Blood of Jesus"... etc, ect...... in Hebrews 6 and 10, to the GENTILES.

He tells them, "you have rejected the Gospel"... and that is Hebrews 6 and 10, and now im taking this Gospel to the GENTILES as they will hear it, and believe it.
That is ACTS 28:28, explaining Hebrews 6&10.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

never again point verses not given as doctrine

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2 Timothy 3:16, KJV)

 

[Jack]

First of all, If you have 40 seconds, let me show you how to get out of taking verses that are given to unsaved HEBREWS, in Paul's epistle to the HEBREWS... so that you never again point verses not given as doctrine to the Bride of Christ, at yourself.

Just go to Acts 28:28.. and spend 40 seconds there.

Read the same account, that is Hebrews 6 and 10.... as Acts 28:28, and verses leading to it, is the same event.
See, sometimes different Epistles recant the same story or situation.

In Acts 28:28, the Same Apostle Paul, is dealing with the same Christ Rejecting Hebrews.... as you've read in Hebrews 6 & 10.

He completes the situation in Acts 28:28, and tells these Christ Rejecting HEBREWS< that he is taking the Gospel that they have rejected, in Hebrews 6 and 10, to the GENTILES.

"Partakers of the Holy Spirit" are Christians.

 

[Behold]

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2 Timothy 3:16, KJV)

I see you decided to come back to the forum, and harass real Christians.

Same ministry as before.

No good found in it.


So, let me help you with your verse.


Your verse is giving 4 separate ways that the Scriptures will teach.

They CAN BE.... instruction......

They can be.... Reproof

They can be .... Correction


They can be ... Doctrine


But they are not all Doctrine... so, never try to use every verse, as Doctrine, as often the verse is one of the other 3.

 

[Behold]

"Partakers of the Holy Spirit" are Christians.

Let me show you something you dont understand yet.

Just put all that im teaching you in your head for now, as you are deeply into a cult teaching that uses Hebrews as its mental Trap.

Listen,.

Every Sunday, in many mainline denominations.... someone like me will give a 'Alter Call".

And the Holy Spirit, is convicting hearts.
He is moving in the Spirit realm, in the inner man, of the LOST person.
They are partaking of the HOLY Spirit, every Sunday service.

That is not the same as BELIEVING and being BORN AGAIN, by The Holy Spirit.


You also will read that they have "tasted the Heavenly Gift" in "Hebrews".

And what is that?

That is the "Sign(s) of an Apostle"........ Who has spiritual Gifts that they use when dealing with unbelievers

2nd Corinthians 12:12.

"The signs shall follow them that Believe"< is also, "Sign's of an Apostle".. and these Christ Rejecting Jews, are listening to a Real Apostle and He's showing them "signs"... as "Jews require a Sign" and all signs are Gifts from Heaven.
And these Christ rejectors, these Hebrews, are "tasting" the Heavenly Gift that Paul has as His "Signs of an apostle" and STILL they wont have Yeshua as their Messiah.
So, as Acts 28:28 explains to you, he leaves the HEBREWs Chapter 6 &10 Christ Rejectors....., and goes to the GENTILES.

 

[Jack]

Let me show you something you dont understand yet.

Just put all that im teaching you in your head for now, as you are deeply into a cult teaching that uses Hebrews as its mental Trap.

Listen,.

Every Sunday, in many mainline denominations.... someone like me will give a 'Alter Call".

And the Holy Spirit, is convicting hearts.
He is moving in the Spirit realm, in the inner man, of the LOST person.
They are partaking of the HOLY Spirit.u

That is not the same as BELIEVING and being BORN AGAIN, by The Holy Spirit.

You also will read that they have "tasted the Heavenly Gift".

And what is that?

That is the "Sign of an Apostle"........ Who has spiritual Gifts that they use when dealing with unbeliever.

"The signs shall follow them that Believe"< is also, "Sign's of an Apostle".. and these Christ Rejecting Jews, are listening to a Real Apostle and He's showing them "signs"... as "Jews require a Sign" and all signs are Gifts from Heaven.
And these Christ rejectors, these Hebrews, are "tasting" the Gifts that Paul has as His "Signs of an apostle" and STILL they wont have Yeshua as their Messiah.
So, as Acts 28:28 explains to you, he leaves the HEBREWS, and goes to the GENTILES.

Partakers of the Holy Spirit are Christians! A cult? As usual OSASers must result to insults and judging non OSASers as unsaved!

None of these MANY were ever saved?

Matthew 7
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

 

[Behold]

Partakers of the Holy Spirit are Christians! A cult?

Every Sunday, as i explained to you, the Holy Spirit, in many Churches makes unbelievers partakers of The Truth of the Gospel.

Let me show this to you from a different verse, and maybe you can see it, better.

""A sower was sowing Seed., and some fell on Good Ground, and some fell on Thorny Ground.""


Now, the Sower, is the Preacher, and the Holy Spirit.
The seed is the Truth of the word of God.
The Hearer, is PARTAKING of the Holy Spirit and the word of God, ... yet, not all came to the Truth.
Some heard it, and partook of it, but it had no ROOT.

So, in the same sense....>You have hearers, in Hebrews 4-6-10, and in Acts 28, who are partaking of the work of the Holy Spirit, which is to partake of the HS, and they come to the knowledge of the truth.......as its being revealed to them by the Holy Spirit, BUT, they refuse to BELIEVE and become born again.

You can partake of the Holy Spirit, as the Gospel is being preached and yet not believe it.

This is "coming to the knowledge of the Truth" but this does not manifest as Believing Faith that God then accepts to give the BELIEVER, the new birth.

 

[Jack]

Every Sunday, as i explained to you, the Holy Spirit, in many Churches makes unbelievers partakers of The Truth of the Gospel.

Let me show this to you from a different verse, and maybe you can see it, better.

""A sower was sowing Seed., and some fell on Good Ground, and some fell on Thorny Ground.""


Now, the Sower, is the Preacher, and the Holy Spirit.
The seed is the Truth of the word of God.
The Hearer, is PARTAKING of the Holy Spirit and the word of God, ... yet, not all came to the Truth.
Some heard it, and partook of it, but it had no ROOT.

So, in the same sense....>You have hearers, in Hebrews 4-6-10, and in Acts 28, who are partaking of the work of the Holy Spirit, which is to partake of the HS, and they come to the knowledge of the truth.......as its being revealed to them by the Holy Spirit, BUT, they refuse to BELIEVE and become born again.

You can partake of the Holy Spirit, as the Gospel is being preached and yet not believe it.

This is "coming to the knowledge of the Truth" but this does not manifest as Believing Faith that God then accepts to give the BELIEVER, the new birth.

You're twisting Scripture. Partakers of the Holy Spirit are Christians!

If you're right I can NEVER be unsaved. If you're wrong you certainly can become unsaved!

 

[Behold]

Matthew 7
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven,

Lets look at your verse.

Jesus speaking, and says... not everyone who says to me "Lord Lord" shall enter the KOH.

Paraphrase.... "not everyone who claims to be a Christian, is a real one".

So who is the real one?

A.) Jesus said...."you must be born again".

See, you can give your body to be burned for God, but if you are not born again, you just burned on your way to hell.

A Disciple, is a doer of the word.

A SON/Daughter of God, is a BORN AGAIN Spirit.

So, Jesus is teaching that you can be a DISCIPLE< and not a Christian.

You can be water baptized 678 times and not be born again.

 

[amigo de christo]

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2 Timothy 3:16, KJV)

Unload ALL SCRIPTURE my friend . As lambs take heed to every word written . Including what follows every IF .
Dig in and armour up cause many love to pick and choose and twist even what they pick and choose .
Unload all reminders and do so often . Every word is meat for the soul of a lamb .