Is Ezekiel Chapter 39 In The Gog/Magog Battle Future And Unfulfilled?

[tailgator]

No, I call you that for saying there is no interpretation of the word of God required. To say that implies that you can figure it all out with your own intellect without needing any help from the Holy Spirit. Even though Paul himself said we need discernment from the Holy Spirit to understand the deeper things of God (1 Corinthians 2:9-16). The natural man cannot understand those things, but you read the Bible like the natural man does.


You interpret it whether you admit that or not. And your interpretation contradicts other scriptures, as I have shown you. You just ignore that.

Revelation 20 needs no interpretation.

It's like a field of wheat.A field of wheat does not need to be interpreted It is very clear what is being spoken of.There is no hidden meaning in a field of wheat .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 20 needs no interpretation.

It's like a field of wheat.A field of wheat does not need to be interpreted It is very clear what is being spoken of.There is no hidden meaning in a field of wheat .

You are a robot. Just say the same thing over and over again.

I could say the same about the following text that your interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 9 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The hour or time is coming at which point all of the dead will be resurrected. You, on the other hand, claim that some will be resurrected one time and some another time long after. Why are you comfortable interpreting Revelation 20 in such a way that blatantly contradicts what Jesus taught about the resurrection of the dead? Explain that.

 

[tailgator]

You are a robot. Just say the same thing over and over again.

I could say the same about the following text that your interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 9 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The hour or time is coming at which point all of the dead will be resurrected. You, on the other hand, claim that some will be resurrected one time and some another time long after. Why are you comfortable interpreting Revelation 20 in such a way that blatantly contradicts what Jesus taught about the resurrection of the dead? Explain that.

Jesus is talking to Israel.That is who he was sent to. .
Israel is resurected In the first resurection .Not that you would understand that.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


See you believe you have to be first at everything .But if you were honest with yourself and you know you don't deserve it.

 

[Douggg]

Nothing of the sort is found in any part of the bible.

We have three factors in the text.

1. the weapons will be burned.

2. the tables will be turned, that Israel will spoil the attackers who intended to spoil Israel.

3. burning the weapons will substitute for taking wood out of the field and forest to burn. Ezekiel 39:10

Now what would people be doing with wood when they burn it ? Why are they collecting wood out of the field and forest to be burn it - what is the purpose ?

The purpose is that they cook with the wood in a stove or fireplace, and use wood for heat, burned in fireplaces of their dwellings.

Modern military units when in the field have diesel stoves and heaters. So those things can be scavenged from the military equipment that will be littering the mountainous regions of Israel.

 

[tailgator]

You don't currently know what could be used for fuel 1000 years from now .

 

[Davidpt]

I take the temple as being the church.Not a building but christians.Paul spoke of the temple of God several times but never refered to a man made structure.
A group of people who come in Jesus name.

Mathew 24
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

How then do you see it connecting with Daniel's prophecy?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus is talking to Israel.That is who he was sent to. .
Israel is resurected In the first resurection .Not that you would understand that.

Nope. That's not at all what He said. He said all in the graves would be resurrected. Not just all Israelites in the graves. You're changing the text to fit your doctrine.

I suppose you would try to say that He was only talking about the resurrection of Israelites in verses like this one, too?

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


See you believe you have to be first at everything .But if you were honest with yourself and you know you don't deserve it.

You're so childish. This isn't some kind of competition. That passage isn't even referring to anyone being resurrected. It's another reference to the souls of the dead in Christ who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ and are now with Christ in heaven.

Can you tell me where in the order Paul gave that they fit if the 144,000 are supposedly resurrected before the rest of the dead in Christ?

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul taught nothing about multiple mass resurrections of believers in the future. Instead, he taught that all of the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the same time when Jesus comes again. Do you think that Paul didn't know what he was talking about? Why do you interpret Revelation 14:1-3 in such a way that contradicts what Paul taught? Why do you not care if your interpretations of any given passage contradict other passages or not? That is reckless. Why are you comfortable being reckless with the word of God like that?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Spiritual Israelite , are you an Amillennialist ?

Are you joking? Yes, of course I am. How could you not know that? I don't exactly make that a secret.

 

[Davidpt]

You don't currently know what could be used for fuel 1000 years from now .

Why does it have to be meaning at the end of satan's little season after the millennium? Why can't it be meaning in the beginning of the millenium? What would they need fuel for a thousand years from now at the end of satan's little season when the great white throne judgment would be the next main event on the list?

Between you, me, and @Douggg, you believe the 7 years burning of weapons happens after the millennium, while I tend to believe it likely happens at the beginning of the millennium, and that @Douggg tends to think it happens 7 years prior to the beginning of the millennium, assuming I recall correctly. We all can't be correct, that's for certain. Assuming one of us might be correct, I wonder which one of us it might be? Naturally, we each think it is we our self that is correct, except we all can't be correct if we are all coming to different conclusions about the same subject.

Is there another option besides these 3 proposed theories above? If there is, I wouldn't know what it might be. Because, in my mind, Ezekiel 38-39 having already been fulfilled thousands of years ago, therefore, these 7 years are not even relevant anymore because they were already fulfilled thousands of years ago, is not a option.

If nothing else, if it could be proved that this 7 years follows the 2nd coming, this undeniably proves Premil since no other view would be able to explain this 7 years post that of the 2nd coming. @Douggg theory doesn't help prove Premil one way or the other, but yours or mine would.

 

[ewq1938]

We have three factors in the text.

1. the weapons will be burned.

2. the tables will be turned, that Israel will spoil the attackers who intended to spoil Israel.

3. burning the weapons will substitute for taking wood out of the field and forest to burn. Ezekiel 39:10

Now what would people be doing with wood when they burn it ? Why are they collecting wood out of the field and forest to be burn it - what is the purpose ?

The purpose is that they cook with the wood in a stove or fireplace, and use wood for heat, burned in fireplaces of their dwellings.

Modern military units when in the field have diesel stoves and heaters. So those things can be scavenged from the military equipment that will be littering the mountainous regions of Israel.

You forgot one:

4. Deisel flavored Mac and Cheese.

 

[Douggg]

@Douggg tends to think it happens 7 years prior to the beginning of the millennium, assuming I recall correctly

I think the 7 years of burning the weapons in Ezekiel 39:9 is during the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well if you notice.The saints are arriving to Jerusalem in Zechariah 14 and they dwell there safely after that day.
The saints are not leaving earth as you claim.

"the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee."​

Zech 14
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.


11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


In fact,that saints that arrive in Jerusalem with the Lord on that day will dwell there for another 1000 years before Gog comes against them In revelation 20.

Zechariah chapter 14 represents the Lord's return "In Fire" and the eternal kingdom being revealed with the river of life flowing out of New Jerusalem "The Day Of The Lord" is seen in Zechariah 14:1 this represents fire time 2 Peter 3:10 "The Day Of The Lord"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[ewq1938]

Zechariah chapter 14 represents the Lord's return "In Fire" and the eternal kingdom being revealed with the river of life flowing out of New Jerusalem "The Day Of The Lord" is seen in Zechariah 14:1 this represents fire time 2 Peter 3:10 "The Day Of The Lord"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus is talking to Israel.That is who he was sent to. .
Israel is resurected In the first resurection .Not that you would understand that.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


See you believe you have to be first at everything .But if you were honest with yourself and you know you don't deserve it.

Jesus is talking to Israel.That is who he was sent to. .
Israel is resurected In the first resurection .Not that you would understand that.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


See you believe you have to be first at everything .But if you were honest with yourself and you know you don't deserve it.

You avoided Spiritual Israelites claim again as if it didn't exist, the very reason I don't respond to the majority of your post's

He directly stated there is one future resurrection and he posted John 5:28-29 below in support, and you continue to claim there are resurrection 1,000 literal years apart "False"

"All" that are in the grave shall come forth, "All"!

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Truth7t7]

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Yes "All" the wicked were destroyed by "Water" in Noah's flood and "All" the wicked will be destroyed by "Fire" at the Lord's return, there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth "After" the (return/revealing) of Jesus Christ (The End)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes "All" the wicked were destroyed by "Water" in Noah's flood and "All" the wicked will be destroyed by "Fire" at the Lord's return, there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth "After" the (return/revealing) of Jesus Christ (The End)

The fire killed people in some cities. It was not global and neither fire or water is used in the second coming. The passage is saying Christ's return will be sudden and unexpected.

The Mill is not now or the past but the future as Rev 20 shows.

 

[ewq1938]

You avoided Spiritual Israelites claim again as if it didn't exist, the very reason I don't respond to the majority of your post's

He directly stated there is one future resurrection and he posted John 5:28-29 below in support, and you continue to claim there are resurrection 1,000 literal years apart "False"

"All" that are in the grave shall come forth, "All"!

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

ALL will come forth, but in two separate resurrections as John proves. This matches the two separate resurrections in Rev 20.

 

[Douggg]

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

You are making the same point I made to @Truth7t7. He is taking Luke 17:29-30 out of context.

 

[Truth7t7]

The fire killed people in some cities. It was not global and neither fire or water is used in the second coming. The passage is saying Christ's return will be sudden and unexpected.

The Mill is not now or the past but the future as Rev 20 shows.

Your Claim Is "False" Will You Now Try To Remove The Lord's Fire Seen Beliw At His Coming

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Mill is not now or the past but the future as Rev 20 shows.

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.