Is Ezekiel Chapter 39 In The Gog/Magog Battle Future And Unfulfilled?

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I didn't say they are actually harmed. You have a reading comprehension problem. You said "Gog comes against the resurected saints who have the spirit of God in them". What I'm asking is why would anyone even try to harm people with immortal bodies, which resurrected saints will have after they are resurrected (1 Cor 15:51-52)? That would make no sense.
The word of God says Gog comes against the resurected saints in Ezekiel 38,revelation 20 and God says this would happen in Deuteronomy 28.

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.


To answer your question,it's because Gog does not know they dwell safely(immortal).


14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?
 

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Why don't you read my response first before you respond again? Have some patience. Read my previous post. I didn't say they would be harmed. Read more carefully. Speed reading just makes you look bad. Take your time.
You should read the Bible and pay attention to it.
The answers you ask are answered in the text.
 

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The word of God says Gog comes against the resurected saints in Ezekiel 38,revelation 20 and God says this would happen in Deuteronomy 28.
None of those scriptures say anything about anyone coming against resurrected saints. I guarantee that you can't show any scripture which says that.

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
Where does this say that those people had been resurrected? It doesn't. Scripture teaches that the dead in Christ will all be resurrected at the same time when Jesus comes. It does not teach any other resurrection of dead believers at any other time except in Matthew 27:52-53 after His resurrection. Maybe Ezekiel 37 is referring to that? It's possible. But, it's not referring to any future resurrection of dead saints since the dead in Christ will be resurrected and then meet Jesus in the air immediately afterwards instead of hanging around on the earth where Gog can attack them. You need to try reading the NT some time so you can learn something.

To answer your question,it's because Gog does not know they dwell safely(immortal).
And where are you getting that from? According to scripture, when the dead in Christ are resurrected they then go to meet Jesus in the air (1 Thess 4:14-17). Why do you instead have them on the earth being attacked by Gog? Have you ever even read the New Testament? Why do you suppose that there is no NT teaching whatsoever that you can use to support your understanding of OT prophecies?

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?
So, is Gog going to somehow go up into the air to attack resurrected saints while they are with Jesus? Is he going to fly a helicopter or jet up there and try to shoot at them?
 

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None of those scriptures say anything about anyone coming against resurrected saints. I guarantee that you can't show any scripture which says that.


Where does this say that those people had been resurrected? It doesn't. Scripture teaches that the dead in Christ will all be resurrected at the same time when Jesus comes. It does not teach any other resurrection of dead believers at any other time except in Matthew 27:52-53 after His resurrection. Maybe Ezekiel 37 is referring to that? It's possible. But, it's not referring to any future resurrection of dead saints since the dead in Christ will be resurrected and then meet Jesus in the air immediately afterwards instead of hanging around on the earth where Gog can attack them. You need to try reading the NT some time so you can learn something.


And where are you getting that from? According to scripture, when the dead in Christ are resurrected they then go to meet Jesus in the air (1 Thess 4:14-17). Why do you instead have them on the earth being attacked by Gog? Have you ever even read the New Testament? Why do you suppose that there is no NT teaching whatsoever that you can use to support your understanding of OT prophecies?


So, is Gog going to somehow go up into the air to attack resurrected saints while they are with Jesus? Is he going to fly a helicopter or jet up there and try to shoot at them?
Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension?

The saints of Israel are resurected out of their graves here in Ezekiel 37 and they live in the land of Israel when Gog comes against them in Ezekiel 38.

Ezekiel 37​

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.​

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,​

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.​






God brings them up out of their graves and you say they are not resurected.God says he puts his spirit in them and you say they are not saints.​

 

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You obviously don't pay attention to the New Testament or else you wouldn't interpret Ezekiel 37-39 the way you do.
I pay far greater attention to the New testament than you do .The resurected saints live in Jerusalem when Gog comes against them in the New testament and fire comes down out of heaven and destroys Gog on earth in the new testimony just like Ezekiel 37-39



Revelation 20

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​

 

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You say Nebuchadnezzar made fire and brimstone come down out of heaven and destroyed all of Israels enemies?



22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.​




You saying Nebuchadnezzar did this?​

Please post Book, Chapter, Verses, Version, a standard in biblical forum conversation
 

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Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension?

The saints of Israel are resurected out of their graves here in Ezekiel 37 and they live in the land of Israel when Gog comes against them in Ezekiel 38.

Ezekiel 37​

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.​




God brings them up out of their graves and you say they are not resurected.God says he puts his spirit in them and you say they are not saints.​

Grave is "Symbolic" of their Babylonian Captivity, And Their return to Jerusalem

Return From Babylon
(I Shall Place You In Your Own Land)
 

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I pay far greater attention to the New testament than you do .The resurected saints live in Jerusalem when Gog comes against them in the New testament and fire comes down out of heaven and destroys Gog on earth in the new testimony just like Ezekiel 37-39



Revelation 20

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​

I Disagree With Your Claims
 

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No, "future" is not all that is referred to by the battle of Gog and Magog.

"Gog" refers to the Mountain of God, or God. While "Magog" refers to "the land of Gog", meaning God's footstool or this world.

In other words, the battle is between God and this world. Which started when He began dividing the light from the darkness--it is the battle between light and darkness, or good and evil. Which occurs during all of times since the beginning.

Why then was it a part of what would seem to be prophecy of the future? --Because all truth and the finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets, was not promised to come until just before the end.
As always Scott I disagree with your symbolic allegory, there was a literal historical battle as described
 

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Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension?
No, but there's definitely something very wrong with yours, as you've proven over and over again.

The saints of Israel are resurected out of their graves here in Ezekiel 37 and they live in the land of Israel when Gog comes against them in Ezekiel 38.

Ezekiel 37​

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.​

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,​

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.​






God brings them up out of their graves and you say they are not resurected.God says he puts his spirit in them and you say they are not saints.​

Don't try to speak for me. Nothing you're saying about what I'm supposedly saying is true. I believe that Ezekiel 37 is referring to what happened here long ago and not to a future resurrection of dead saints.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

It makes no sense to think that it's referring to a future resurrection, after which those resurrected saints are attacked by Gog, because the future resurrection of the dead in Christ will not result in anyone being attacked afterwards as we will be caught up to meet Christ in the air at that point (1 Thess 4:14-17).
 

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I pay far greater attention to the New testament than you do
No, you absolutely do not. You have no idea of what is taught in the New Testament, as evidenced by all of the things you say that contradict the teachings in the New Testament. Also, as evidenced by the fact that when I have debated you before and presented evidence to back up my claims from Paul's teachings, you acted like he didn't have the full revelation and didn't really know what he was talking about in relation to end times. But, he did. You don't.

.The resurected saints live in Jerusalem when Gog comes against them in the New testament and fire comes down out of heaven and destroys Gog on earth in the new testimony just like Ezekiel 37-39
The New Testament that you falsely claim you pay far greater attention to teaches no such things whatsoever. Instead, it teaches that the dead in Christ will be resurrected and then caught up to meet the Lord in the air and then are forever with the Lord. Do you want to try to say that Gog is going to try to attack resurrected saints up in the air? If not, then you need to adjust your understanding to agree with what is taught in NT scripture.

Revelation 20

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​

Where does this say that those saints had been resurrected? Nowhere. Verse 9 is referring to living saints who haven't died and that is talking about what will happen when Jesus returns (fire comes down upon the earth - 2 Peter 3:10-12). The dead in Christ are not bodily resurrected until then. Your understanding of the first resurrection is completely flawed.

Tell me, do you understand that those who have part in the first resurrection are "priests of God and of Christ" and reign with Him? If so, do you understand that His followers are priests of God and of Christ NOW?

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Can you see here that believers right NOW are "a royal priesthood" and have been made "kings and priests unto God and his Father"? What does that tell you about the timing of Revelation 20:6? It tells me that it's a current reality.

Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection itself is the first resurrection and we all spiritually have part in it.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
 

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No, but there's definitely something very wrong with yours, as you've proven over and over again.


Don't try to speak for me. Nothing you're saying about what I'm supposedly saying is true. I believe that Ezekiel 37 is referring to what happened here long ago and not to a future resurrection of dead saints.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

It makes no sense to think that it's referring to a future resurrection, after which those resurrected saints are attacked by Gog, because the future resurrection of the dead in Christ will not result in anyone being attacked afterwards as we will be caught up to meet Christ in the air at that point (1 Thess 4:14-17).
Both Ezekiel and revelation says Gog and the nations come against the resurected saints of God.

You say the word of God makes no sense but it makes perfect sense to me.In fact,I love the word of God and am happy for those saints.Ive considered their tribulation and the suffering they endure to attain this resurection.


Revelation 20

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.



Gog gets what he deserves also.
 

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No, you absolutely do not. You have no idea of what is taught in the New Testament, as evidenced by all of the things you say that contradict the teachings in the New Testament. Also, as evidenced by the fact that when I have debated you before and presented evidence to back up my claims from Paul's teachings, you acted like he didn't have the full revelation and didn't really know what he was talking about in relation to end times. But, he did. You don't.


The New Testament that you falsely claim you pay far greater attention to teaches no such things whatsoever. Instead, it teaches that the dead in Christ will be resurrected and then caught up to meet the Lord in the air and then are forever with the Lord. Do you want to try to say that Gog is going to try to attack resurrected saints up in the air? If not, then you need to adjust your understanding to agree with what is taught in NT scripture.


Where does this say that those saints had been resurrected? Nowhere. Verse 9 is referring to living saints who haven't died and that is talking about what will happen when Jesus returns (fire comes down upon the earth - 2 Peter 3:10-12). The dead in Christ are not bodily resurrected until then. Your understanding of the first resurrection is completely flawed.

Tell me, do you understand that those who have part in the first resurrection are "priests of God and of Christ" and reign with Him? If so, do you understand that His followers are priests of God and of Christ NOW?

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Can you see here that believers right NOW are "a royal priesthood" and have been made "kings and priests unto God and his Father"? What does that tell you about the timing of Revelation 20:6? It tells me that it's a current reality.

Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection itself is the first resurrection and we all spiritually have part in it.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
I quote from the word of God what you say the word of God does not teach what it says.



Here it is in black and white.
God keeps his promise he made to Abraham.
God keeps all his promises .


Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​



Your comprehension is terrible.The word of God is keeping to the same subject here.The subject is the saints who are resurected and sit on thrones from verse 4-9.Same resurected saints in Ezekiel 37 who come out of their graves.And Gog ,who God destroys in Ezekiel 38 is the same Gog in revelation 20.​

 
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Both Ezekiel and revelation says Gog and the nations come against the resurected saints of God.
No, they do not. Only you say that. Nowhere does it indicate that "the camp of the saints" comprises resurrected saints. Instead, it represents those who are alive and remain until the coming of Christ. It's referring to living saints who haven't died.

Again, you fail to take NT scripture into account. What Paul taught (I know you don't care what Paul taught) is that the dead in Christ will be resurrected unto bodily immortality and will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air when He comes (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17). That doesn't line up with your fairy tale of resurrected saints hanging out on the earth and being attacked by Gog. Do you even care that your interpretation of Ezekiel and Revelation doesn't line up with what Paul taught about the resurrection of the dead in Christ?

You say the word of God makes no sense
I say no such thing, liar.

but it makes perfect sense to me.
Your false interpretations of God's word make perfect sense to you, but not to anyone else.

In fact,I love the word of God
And I don't? This is not some kind of competition to see who loves the word of God and who doesn't. We all do. This is about interpreting the word of God accurately, which you often don't.

and am happy for those saints.Ive considered their tribulation and the suffering they endure to attain this resurection.
What do you mean "this resurrection"? There is only one future resurrection of dead saints, as Paul taught:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Until you get your doctrine to agree with what Paul and all of scripture taught, it will continue to be false. Paul clearly knew nothing of multiple future resurrections of dead saints. He only knew and taught of one future mass bodily resurrection of all of the dead in Christ. That's it. Any doctrine that contradicts that is clearly false.
 

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No, they do not. Only you say that. Nowhere does it indicate that "the camp of the saints" comprises resurrected saints. Instead, it represents those who are alive and remain until the coming of Christ. It's referring to living saints who haven't died.

Again, you fail to take NT scripture into account. What Paul taught (I know you don't care what Paul taught) is that the dead in Christ will be resurrected unto bodily immortality and will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air when He comes (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17). That doesn't line up with your fairy tale of resurrected saints hanging out on the earth and being attacked by Gog. Do you even care that your interpretation of Ezekiel and Revelation doesn't line up with what Paul taught about the resurrection of the dead in Christ?


I say no such thing, liar.


Your false interpretations of God's word make perfect sense to you, but not to anyone else.


And I don't? This is not some kind of competition to see who loves the word of God and who doesn't. We all do. This is about interpreting the word of God accurately, which you often don't.


What do you mean "this resurrection"? There is only one future resurrection of dead saints, as Paul taught:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Until you get your doctrine to agree with what Paul and all of scripture taught, it will continue to be false. Paul clearly knew nothing of multiple future resurrections of dead saints. He only knew and taught of one future mass bodily resurrection of all of the dead in Christ. That's it. Any doctrine that contradicts that is clearly false.


The only saints living in these verses are the saints who are resurected .​

Revelation 20​

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.​

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.​

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them​