Is believing/faith a work ?

[Reggie Belafonte]

Just talking about our Lord and Saviour is a work ? Such is a good work, in spending the time to do so ! Now one could give money to the Church you claim, but I find giving people the time to talk about the Lord Jesus is far more value than giving money to the Church.

That's what we are called to do, Work in Christ Jesus ! Not of ourselves at all, as he receives the Glory ! no us, because the work is not of us but of Christ Jesus in us.

Look see how much money I gave the Church ? Zip, that's not worthy of you at all, as such is giving to a organisation and not regards as to God at all.

If one has the Grace of Christ Jesus, then you give regarding that ends 24/7

Grace abounds ! it's called willing ! God willing ! If everyone abounds the more of that the better and such has noting to do with you, but Christ Jesus abiding in you.

But if one is not truly Saved born again, such a one will claim that it's you doing the workings ? but No ! not at all and I do not take the credit at all, that all goes to Christ Jesus in fact.
I would not take the time regarding anyone my self and I may give to charity but such as that could be a deception or delusion in fact, as the charity is a dogs dinner. maybe 10% is worthy of something good but the other is not worthy at all regarding the Grace of Christ Jesus at all.

Remember what such will say, Look what we have done in your name ? but Jesus will say, I never knew you. because they were not working in Christ Jesus in fact but their stupid so called Church nonsense.

Just look at all of the worldly Churches nowadays are like Whores, grovelling for money from the Governments and the Governments dictate what they can preach or not in return. That's not the Body of Christ in fact, Christ Jesus is our Head.
They have sold out Christ Jesus for Silver ? they are owned ! They are of this world under delusions and deceptions of such.

Look at all the people who have walked away from the Churches ? for they have nothing to offer regarding Christ Jesus, for if they did then no one would leave in fact !

 

[brightfame52]

The proper understanding of Faith not being a work condition that man performs in order to get God to save them, it is to understand that Faith to believe is all of grace, and not of us, and hence eliminates in grounds for boasting, as I believed and you didn't, and so, God saved me and not you because I believed in Christ, and you didn't.

Now everyone is familiar with Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

This passage clearly shows that Faith in the realm of Salvation isnt of us , its included, comprehended in Grace Salvation, a Gift of God.

Understand here Paul is saying comprehensively #1 Grace is a Gift, #2 Salvation is a Gift #3 Faith is a Gift, so where is boasting ? If all these phases are of Grace, where is room for boasting?

Notice Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Now what is the Law of Faith that excludes works ? Its the Law of Grace. The scripture consistently shows this contrast Rom 11:6

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

This is True because Faith is the product not of mans freewill, but of Grace Rom 4:16

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

It cant be any plainer that Faith here is the product of Grace,

The word by as in by grace in Vs 16 is kata and it means according to, so faith is according to Grace, so Grace is the principle of operation that produces Faith, hence the of Faith versus the law of works in Rom 3:27

So thats the way and only way that Faith is in contrast to works, when its understood to be the product of supernatural grace. So in that regards, there is no room for boasting, not even in our faith or believing in Jesus Christ. Remember even the believing is by grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through/because of grace:

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Just talking about our Lord and Saviour is a work ? Such is a good work, in spending the time to do so ! Now one could give money to the Church you claim, but I find giving people the time to talk about the Lord Jesus is far more value than giving money to the Church.

That's what we are called to do, Work in Christ Jesus ! Not of ourselves at all, as he receives the Glory ! no us, because the work is not of us but of Christ Jesus in us.

Look see how much money I gave the Church ? Zip, that's not worthy of you at all, as such is giving to a organisation and not regards as to God at all.

If one has the Grace of Christ Jesus, then you give regarding that ends 24/7

Grace abounds ! it's called willing ! God willing ! If everyone abounds the more of that the better and such has noting to do with you, but Christ Jesus abiding in you.

But if one is not truly Saved born again, such a one will claim that it's you doing the workings ? but No ! not at all and I do not take the credit at all, that all goes to Christ Jesus in fact.
I would not take the time regarding anyone my self and I may give to charity but such as that could be a deception or delusion in fact, as the charity is a dogs dinner. maybe 10% is worthy of something good but the other is not worthy at all regarding the Grace of Christ Jesus at all.

Remember what such will say, Look what we have done in your name ? but Jesus will say, I never knew you. because they were not working in Christ Jesus in fact but their stupid so called Church nonsense.

Just look at all of the worldly Churches nowadays are like Whores, grovelling for money from the Governments and the Governments dictate what they can preach or not in return. That's not the Body of Christ in fact, Christ Jesus is our Head.
They have sold out Christ Jesus for Silver ? they are owned ! They are of this world under delusions and deceptions of such.

Look at all the people who have walked away from the Churches ? for they have nothing to offer regarding Christ Jesus, for if they did then no one would leave in fact !

A person's works are his own works whether those works be sinful, unrighteous works or obedient, righteous works. On judgment day each person will have to own up to and answer for the type of works they did in this life. Rom 2:6 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds:" Where one will be at in eternity will be determined by the type of deeds that person did in this life. On judgment day God will hand out a sentence that fits the type of deeds a person did in this life. Those who did unrighteousness deeds will get the sentence 'depart from Me I never knew you' (Mt 7:23) and those with righteous deeds will hear 'well done...enter into the joy of thy Lord' (Mt 25:21).

So how can some on this forum argue works have nothing to do with becoming saved or remaining saved when works are the very basis that determines if one will be lost or saved?

 

[Rightglory]

You continue to avoid the issue of free gifts having necessary conditions attached in order to receive the free gift:

Noah moved with fear built an ark (necessary condition) unto the saving of his house (free gift of God).
Naaman dipped 7 times in the Jordan (necessary condition) in order to be healed of his disease (free gift of God)
The blind man was told to go wash his eyes in the pool (necessary condition) in order to reveive his sight (free gift of God)
The Jews were commanded to repent & be baptized (necessary condition) for the remission of sins (free gift of God)

There are other examples I could cite but these 4 should suffice.

The simple facts faith onlyists must ignore:

1) in each case GOD put a necessary condition upon receiving His free gift, the condition was not man's idea.
Therefore meeting the condition is NOT man doing his OWN righteousness but it is man working GOD'S righteousness for the condition was not man's OWN idea but the condition was GOD'S idea, GOD'S requirement. Rom 10"3 those Jews were lost for they went about doing their OWN righteousness and would not submit to GOD'S righteousness....they were lost for they refused to obey the conditons GOD placed upon salvation....they would not obey the gospel v16.

2) disobedience in meeting the necessary condition, one fails to receive the free gift.

3) not in any case is obedience in meeting the necessary condition called a work of merit. Obedience to God and works of merit are two totally different things.

4) in each case meeting the condition must happen BEFORE receiving the free gift, that is, one must obey meeting the condition IN ORDER to receive the free gift. They did not obey the necessary condition BECAUSE they already UNCONDITIONALLY received the free gift first. Obedience CONDITIONALLY came FIRST, THEN one received the free gift.

NOT in any case did one FIRST receive the gift UNconditionally THEN some time later obey in meeting the condition:

Noah built the ark IN ORDER to be saved from the flood not BECAUSE he was already saved from the flood
Naaman dipped in the river IN ORDER to recievf healing not BECAUSE he was already healed
The blind man went and washed his eyes IN ORDER to receive his sight not BECAUSE he already had his sight
The Jew repented & were baptized IN ORDER to receive remission of sins not BECAUSE they already had remission of sins.

5) the free gift having a condition did not make Gods free gift grace-less. Though God required a condition to be met, the free gift was still of grace for God did not owe any the free gift He offered. Meeting the condition did not put God in debt. The fact conditions were obediently met did not make the free gift merited or "works based" or anti-grace. To falsely call it 'works based" therefore has no basis in the BIble, facts or reality.

6) the fact God put conditions upon His free gift means man must meet GOD'S terms in being saved thereby man cannot create his OWN terms in being saved. Christ's NT gospel has not made belief only a term in receiving His gift of salvation, that is man creating his OWN terms.

7) Jn 6:27
“Work not for the food which is perishing, but for the food which is abiding unto eternal life, which the Son of man shall give unto you”

Jesus settles the issue once and for all time that one must WORK for the food that endures unto** everlasting life....no work = no spiritual food that endures unto everlasting life.
Though one must WORK, everlasting life is something Christ "GIVES", He gives it for free but one must CONDITIONALLY meet the necessary condition of working for the spiritual food BEFORE one can receive the free gift Christ gives.

**one does not work for spiritual food BECAUSE one already has everlasting life but IN ORDER to receive everlasting life.

8) Logical problems if salvation were completely UNconditional:

if the free gift of salvation has no conditions, has no terms to meet, if the gift of salvation were completely UNconditional. then all men would unconditionally be saved (Tts 2:11) and that is the false doctrine of Universalism.

Yet on the other hand, if the free gift of salvation were completely UNconditionally yet some men are still going to be lost, then it must be by a sole choice of God as to which men unconditionally receive the free gift of salvation and which ones do not making God a respecter of persons in His choices as to who will or will not be saved when He is not (Acts 10:34-25). UNconditional salvation would also make God solely culpable for those that are lost when He has no such culpability for men are lost for failing to choose to meeting God's conditional terms He has placed upon salvation.

and they all said, Amen, Amen, Amen

 

[Rightglory]

A person's works are his own works whether those works be sinful, unrighteous works or obedient, righteous works. On judgment day each person will have to own up to and answer for the type of works they did in this life. Rom 2:6 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds:" Where one will be at in eternity will be determined by the type of deeds that person did in this life. On judgment day God will hand out a sentence that fits the type of deeds a person did in this life. Those who did unrighteousness deeds will get the sentence 'depart from Me I never knew you' (Mt 7:23) and those with righteous deeds will hear 'well done...enter into the joy of thy Lord' (Mt 25:21).

So how can some on this forum argue works have nothing to do with becoming saved or remaining saved when works are the very basis that determines if one will be lost or saved?

Adding more: There are whole discourses that make emphatic statements regarding walking in the Light. I John 2:2-6 or later I John 2:28-29-3:1-7. Also Rom 3:31. Rev 20:11-13.
Then we have in Matt 5:21-48 the Beatitudes, the 10 commandments of the NT.
If we do the works of righteousness, He will increase our faith. It is growing, strengthening our faith. Which is the meaning of being saved through faith. It is how we work to become perfect as He is perfect.

 

[Kermos]

Yes, without a shadow of a doubt.

The answer is absolutely yes. If we agree with the overall definition of work according to the greek word for work ergon:

See strongs # 2041:

1. business, employment, that which any one is occupied
   1. that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
2. any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
   
   
   
3. an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
   
   A work is anything done, accomplished by #1 hand, #2 art, #3 industry, #4 or MIND
   
   The mind is :
   
   (in a human or other conscious being) the element, part, substance, or process that reasons, thinks, feels, wills, perceives, judges, etc.
   
   Psychology. the totality of conscious and unconscious mental processes and activities.
   
   So believing something via the mental activity and process of reasoning is work. The process of decision making is a activity, work of the mind.
   
   Now for instance, the sin of hatred Gal 5:19-20
   
   
   Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
   
   
   20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
   
   How is that sin committed ? It starts in the mind or heart ! Yet in Vs 19 its stated as an work of the flesh
   
   So activity in and with the mind/heart is a work, this cannot be denied..
   
   Now believing is either a work of the flesh [unregenerate] or of the Spirit [ regenerated]
   
   But now Salvation is not by works, Neither by works of the flesh or works of the Spirit.

Lord Jesus says that a person believing in Jesus is the work of God with "this is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29). Faith is the work of God in people.

 

[Kermos]

Adding more: There are whole discourses that make emphatic statements regarding walking in the Light. I John 2:2-6 or later I John 2:28-29-3:1-7. Also Rom 3:31. Rev 20:11-13.
Then we have in Matt 5:21-48 the Beatitudes, the 10 commandments of the NT.
If we do the works of righteousness, He will increase our faith. It is growing, strengthening our faith. Which is the meaning of being saved through faith. It is how we work to become perfect as He is perfect.

You wrote "If we do the works of righteousness, He will increase our faith", and it it awesome that a Christian's "works of righteousness" are wrought in God for Lord Jesus says "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21); furthermore, it is awesome that belief/faith is the work of God in people for Lord Jesus says "this is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29). You even wrote "He will increase our faith" which seems to say that God controls faith in people.

The alerts on this site seem to be malfunctioning, so I want to provide you with this link to a reply to your post in the "Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?" thread.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, without a shadow of a doubt.



Lord Jesus says that a person believing in Jesus is the work of God with "this is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29). Faith is the work of God in people.

This is True, however many if not the majority in modern day christianity believe that their believing is something they do from their own freewill choice, and as result God saved them on that basis, thats works, all day long.

Now if one believes as I do, and maybe yourself, that believing is the result of the inner power and works of God the Holy Spirit and Grace from the New Birth, and not of ourselves, then that's a proper perspective.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Yes, without a shadow of a doubt.



Lord Jesus says that a person believing in Jesus is the work of God with "this is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29). Faith is the work of God in people.

"work of God" means God is the source of the work being given to do, not that God does the work of believing for men. The people asked "What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
1) Jesus did not tell them do no works lest you try and merit your salvation
2) The people asked what work is it that WE DO and not what work will God do for us. Jesus gave them a work to do: believe. Belief/faith is a work itself (Mk 2:1-5; 1 Thess 1:3; Gal 5:6; etc).

1 Cor 16:10
Now if Timotheus come, see that he may be with you without fear: for he worketh the work of the Lord, as I also do. The "work of the Lord" does not mean in this verse that the Lord does the work Himself but shows the Lord is the source of the work being given to disciples, as Timothy, to do. Timothy was doing the Lord's work just as Paul did.

Jn 6:27 still proves that no work = no everlasting life.

 

[bbyrd009]

Is believing/faith a work ?​

well, which one, believing or faith?
:)

 

[Rightglory]

"work of God" means God is the source of the work being given to do, not that God does the work of believing for men. The people asked "What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
1) Jesus did not tell them do no works lest you try and merit you salvation
2) The people asked what work is it that WE DO and not what work will God do for us. Jesus gave them a work to do: believe. Belief/faith is a work itself (Mk 2:1-5; 1 Thess 1:3; Gal 5:6; etc).

1 Cor 16:10
Now if Timotheus come, see that he may be with you without fear: for he worketh the work of the Lord, as I also do. The "work of the Lord" does not mean in this verse that the Lord does the work Himself but shows the Lord is the source of the work being given to disciples, as Timothy, to do. Timothy was doing the Lord's work just as Paul did.

Jn 6:27 still proves that no work = no everlasting life.

Again, a very excellent explanation of scripture.

 

[Rightglory]

You wrote "If we do the works of righteousness, He will increase our faith", and it it awesome that a Christian's "works of righteousness" are wrought in God for Lord Jesus says "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21); furthermore, it is awesome that belief/faith is the work of God in people for Lord Jesus says "this is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29). You even wrote "He will increase our faith" which seems to say that God controls faith in people.

The alerts on this site seem to be malfunctioning, so I want to provide you with this link to a reply to your post in the "Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?" thread.

You've shown your understanding of scripture is very limited. You have some ulterior theory you seem to impose over scripture. Why not do a little better study of scripture and what was believed from the beginning.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The answer is absolutely yes. If we agree with the overall definition of work according to the greek word for work ergon:

See strongs # 2041:

1. business, employment, that which any one is occupied
   1. that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
2. any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
   
   
   
3. an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
   
   A work is anything done, accomplished by #1 hand, #2 art, #3 industry, #4 or MIND
   
   The mind is :
   
   (in a human or other conscious being) the element, part, substance, or process that reasons, thinks, feels, wills, perceives, judges, etc.
   
   Psychology. the totality of conscious and unconscious mental processes and activities.
   
   So believing something via the mental activity and process of reasoning is work. The process of decision making is a activity, work of the mind.
   
   Now for instance, the sin of hatred Gal 5:19-20
   
   
   Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
   
   
   20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
   
   How is that sin committed ? It starts in the mind or heart ! Yet in Vs 19 its stated as an work of the flesh
   
   So activity in and with the mind/heart is a work, this cannot be denied..
   
   Now believing is either a work of the flesh [unregenerate] or of the Spirit [ regenerated]
   
   But now Salvation is not by works, Neither by works of the flesh or works of the Spirit.

No, believing is not a work. We are justified by faith apart from works. Romans 3:28

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Jn 6:46 This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Jesus calls believing a work

Jn 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.
'believeth' is contrast to 'obeyeth not' meaning believing is obey the Son in doing what the Son says to do Lk 6:46

James 2:24----------works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justifies
Rom 5:1 --------------faith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justifies
Since there is just one way to be saved then faith must be a work, an obedient work.

 

[Kermos]

This is True, however many if not the majority in modern day christianity believe that their believing is something they do from their own freewill choice, and as result God saved them on that basis, thats works, all day long.

Now if one believes as I do, and maybe yourself, that believing is the result of the inner power and works of God the Holy Spirit and Grace from the New Birth, and not of ourselves, then that's a proper perspective.

Praise God! Yes, "that's a proper perspective", that's a scripturally accurate understanding for we have the writing of Paul in Ephesians 2:1-10.

By the way, when someone replied to your posts on the Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation? thread, did you get alerts?

 

[brightfame52]

"work of God" means God is the source of the work being given to do, not that God does the work of believing for men. The people asked "What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
1) Jesus did not tell them do no works lest you try and merit your salvation
2) The people asked what work is it that WE DO and not what work will God do for us. Jesus gave them a work to do: believe. Belief/faith is a work itself (Mk 2:1-5; 1 Thess 1:3; Gal 5:6; etc).

1 Cor 16:10
Now if Timotheus come, see that he may be with you without fear: for he worketh the work of the Lord, as I also do. The "work of the Lord" does not mean in this verse that the Lord does the work Himself but shows the Lord is the source of the work being given to disciples, as Timothy, to do. Timothy was doing the Lord's work just as Paul did.

Jn 6:27 still proves that no work = no everlasting life.

You continually promote salvation by works, not good. Salvation is by Grace not works.

 

[brightfame52]

No, believing is not a work. We are justified by faith apart from works. Romans 3:28

Yes believing is a work, its something done !

 

[Kermos]

"work of God" means God is the source of the work being given to do, not that God does the work of believing for men. The people asked "What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
1) Jesus did not tell them do no works lest you try and merit your salvation
2) The people asked what work is it that WE DO and not what work will God do for us. Jesus gave them a work to do: believe. Belief/faith is a work itself (Mk 2:1-5; 1 Thess 1:3; Gal 5:6; etc).

1 Cor 16:10
Now if Timotheus come, see that he may be with you without fear: for he worketh the work of the Lord, as I also do. The "work of the Lord" does not mean in this verse that the Lord does the work Himself but shows the Lord is the source of the work being given to disciples, as Timothy, to do. Timothy was doing the Lord's work just as Paul did.

Jn 6:27 still proves that no work = no everlasting life.

Your first sentence is incorrect both spiritually and linguistically.

When Lord Jesus says "this is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29):

• then the Lord makes it utterly clear that belief/faith is "the work of God" inside of the children of God,
• then the Lord entirely eliminates any allusion of belief/faith being a work of man because the Lord says belief/faith is "the work of God" (John 6:29),
• then the Lord disbanded the people's notion that people do some kind of work because the Lord removed the "we might work" that the people mentioned in their inquiry of "What shall we do, so that we might work the works of God?" (John 6:28),
• then the Lord's sentence may be restructured based upon legal grammatical rules such that "you believing in Him whom He has sent is the work of God" (John 6:29) with "you believing in Him whom He has sent" is the sentence subject, while "is the work of God" is the predicate, while the word "is" is the verb in "is the work of God", and finally we arrive at the direct object of the sentence "the work of God" which controls the "you believing in Him whom He has sent" subject of the sentence.

My Lord Jesus Christ is the Master Orator, and He deftly assuages any confusion that mere men work the works of God based on the power of man; in other words, Jesus says "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26).

Concerning your 1 Corinthians 16:10 quotation, God controlled both Timothy and Paul doing "the work of the Lord" because the Apostle Paul wrote "it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13) of which the Apostle is in accord with the Lord who says "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:31).

NO SCRIPTURE STATES MAN HAS A FREE-WILL TO CHOOSE JESUS UNTO SALVATION; THEREFORE, FREE-WILLIAN PHILOSOPHY IS A TRADITION OF MEN LEADING TO WORSHIP IN VAIN (MATTHEW 15:9).

The Master Orator says "this is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).

 

[Kermos]

You've shown your understanding of scripture is very limited. You have some ulterior theory you seem to impose over scripture. Why not do a little better study of scripture and what was believed from the beginning.

Your "what was believed from the beginning" is disproven in this link to a reply to your post in the "Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?" thread in which you used a modern fabricated Ignatius quotation in order to lie that Ignatius taught free-will - then you extended your false witness against Ignatius to become false witness against the Word of God by your thoughts that man can free-will choose Jesus unto salvation. And your scripturless assertion/post is shown to be false witness. You have been exposed to the posts' existence, yet no reply to the post - not even a hint of Christian repentance for your proven false witness against Ignatius.

The foundation of Christianity is Christ and every Christian is controlled by God to come to Christ and the Christian's works are fruit of the Spirit of Christ! (Matthew 7:24-25, John 3:3-8, John 3:21, John 6:29, John 15:5, John 15:16, John 15:19 (includes salvation), Matthew 11:25, John 13:34)!

Christ is the Founder from the beginning, and we Christians believe Him and we proclaim the Truth (John 14:6), including that a person being saved from the wrath of God is by God's grace for God's glory!

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Your first sentence is incorrect both spiritually and linguistically.

When Lord Jesus says "this is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29):

• then the Lord makes it utterly clear that belief/faith is "the work of God" inside of the children of God,
• then the Lord entirely eliminates any allusion of belief/faith being a work of man because the Lord says belief/faith is "the work of God" (John 6:29),
• then the Lord disbanded the people's notion that people do some kind of work because the Lord removed the "we might work" that the people mentioned in their inquiry of "What shall we do, so that we might work the works of God?" (John 6:28),
• then the Lord's sentence may be restructured based upon legal grammatical rules such that "you believing in Him whom He has sent is the work of God" (John 6:29) with "you believing in Him whom He has sent" is the sentence subject, while "is the work of God" is the predicate, while the word "is" is the verb in "is the work of God", and finally we arrive at the direct object of the sentence "the work of God" which controls the "you believing in Him whom He has sent" subject of the sentence.

My Lord Jesus Christ is the Master Orator, and He deftly assuages any confusion that mere men work the works of God based on the power of man; in other words, Jesus says "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26).

Concerning your 1 Corinthians 16:10 quotation, God controlled both Timothy and Paul doing "the work of the Lord" because the Apostle Paul wrote "it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13) of which the Apostle is in accord with the Lord who says "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:31).

NO SCRIPTURE STATES MAN HAS A FREE-WILL TO CHOOSE JESUS UNTO SALVATION; THEREFORE, FREE-WILLIAN PHILOSOPHY IS A TRADITION OF MEN LEADING TO WORSHIP IN VAIN (MATTHEW 15:9).

The Master Orator says "this is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

1) Jesus settled the issue once and for all time that one must WORK for the spiritual food that endures unto everlasting life. This simply means no work = no everlasting life.

2) those people asked what shall WE DO that WE WORK the works of God. In response to their question Jesus gave them a work to do, that work being to believe. Jesus told them this is the work of God that YOU believe on Him. Jesus did not say God will believe for you but Jesus YOU do the work of believing.

3) the fact that believing is a work of God means God is the source of the work, the genesis of the work that God has given to man to perform. Just as Timothy "worketh the work of the Lord" means the Lord was the source of the work given to Timothy and Paul to do. If I do the 'work of the employer' does not mean the employer does the work but that the employer is the source of the work given to me to do. If the employer does all the work, what does he need me for?

4) the idea that God is the One doing the work of believing for man or man has no free will choice to choose to believe creates a host of problems:

a) the context already has Christ telling those people YOU believe which makes no sense on the part of CHrist if they could not possible believe.

b) places in the Bible God has commanded MAN TO BELIEVE (Acts 16:31) and why command men to do the work of believing if God is to do that work or man is unable to choose to believe? How could Christ justly condemned those in Matt 6:30 for having "little faith" if God is solely in control of men's belief. Their insufficient faith would be a culpability on God's part.

c)Heb 3:12 - "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God." Do they become unbelievers and lost being separated from God because God quit doing the work of believing for them?

d) if God does the work of believing yet I am lost in unbelief, then God is culpable for my condemnation for failing to do this work for me. And if God does the work of believing for you but not for me, then God is showing respect of person for you over me when God is not a respecter of persons (Acts 10:34-35)

e) in Exodus 4:1-9 why would God have miraculous signs to be performed to induce a belief in Israel if they cannot possibly choose to believe?
v8 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign. And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land."
Why would the Lord say "IF" they will not believe if the Lord solely determines if they will believe or not?


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Phil 2:12-13
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

God works in those who obey Him. God commands a man to believe and that man obediently believes, then it can clealry be seen GOd is working in that man by that man's obedience to God.

"God indeed works in and through the obedient, but this is far from being a denial that people must obey God. Through the ages the problem has been this: if one must (in addition to believing in Christ) be baptized in order to be saved, that, in the view of some, would make man his own Savior; but such a view is not justified. For example, when the man born blind washed in the pool of Siloam (John 9:1-12) that did not make him his own healer; although none can deny that he could not have been healed without doing what Christ commanded. The same principle applies to the Scripture: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mark 16:16)" Coffman Commentary (my emp)