I hate to be the one to tell you this but there was a lot that Jesus said to Israel that was never addressed to the Christian.
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If the cosmos is not something of a free democracy because it's under the ultimate rulership of God, then it has to be something of a tyrannical monarchy. Either some power is shared or it's not. And if it's not, then all the blame for all the evil in the cosmos must ultimately rest on the lap of the monarch whose will is never stopped from happening.
I believe the cosmos is a free democracy whereby we are truly blessed or cursed by how we align ourselves in the fight between two cosmic kingdoms. We either share in Christ's victory or we share in Satan's defeat. But we are in either case always only the secondary participants and never the main players.
Psalms 147:5........ does not say God is omniscient.
Hebrews 4:12-13 does not say God is omniscient.
1 John 3:20........... does not say God is omniscient.
You guys read stuff that's not there. Like for example this 1 John 3:20 that says God knows all things. It does not say He knows all things before they happen. I said to my boss yesterday that he knows everything about this job. That did not mean my boss knows everything that will ever happen about the job.
If I was twice your size and therefore able to stop you from going through a door. That would not mean I was able to see into the future. This thinking started with Augustine and yep I give you once again the Catholics. This is really a big deal because now I know I also have choices on how and how deep I interact with Him. Jeremiah repeatedly speaks of the conditional "if" in connection to both the clay (Israel) and the Potter (God). If Israel repents, then God will relent. This type of relationship God offers His people is not one of control and domination, but rather one of an awesome love and vulnerability. Many churches teach God called certain people because the New Testament has places where it talks about those who God called. I think God called everyone and only certain people answered the call. In Ephesians 1:4, it says God chose us in Christ beforehand, and in Revelation 17:8, it says certain names have been written in a book from the foundation of the world. It's the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God for salvation.
This is really a big deal because now I know I also have choices on how and how deep I interact with Him. Jeremiah repeatedly speaks of the conditional "if" in connection to both the clay (Israel) and the Potter (God). If Israel repents, then God will relent. This type of relationship God offers His people is not one of control and domination, but rather one of an awesome love and vulnerability. Many churches teach God called certain people because the New Testament has places where it talks about those who God called. I think God called everyone and only certain people answered the call. In Ephesians 1:4, it says God chose us in Christ beforehand, and in Revelation 17:8, it says certain names have been written in a book from the foundation of the world. It's the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God for salvation.
You seem to believe Christians cannot have friends flying in and out of their brain cells.
Jesusfollower
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it is well known to me that what you say is in part true but also incomplete as Jesus came to preach repentance first to the Jews his chosen people;
Mat 15:21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
Mat 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
However many forget what Jesus the son of God said;
Mark 16:15 (KJV): "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
Luke 24:47-48 (KJV): "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things."
Acts 1:8 (KJV): "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
Jesusfollower
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Jesusfollower
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Peter, here is one verse I can provide more about the omniscience of GOD. just ask.
Jeremiah 1:5 (KJV): "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
Jeremiah 1:5 (KJV): "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
Jesusfollower
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I agree we have the power to choose, it was given to us as written;
Deuteronomy 30:19 (KJV): "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"
Joshua 24:15 (KJV): "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."
Wrangler
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Not this blasphemy again!
God sets the law so there is no tyranny possible, by definition.
If we are then under the ultimate rulership of God, then it has to be something of a tyrannical monarchy. Either some power is shared or it's not.
When I used the word omniscience... I was referring to God knowing the future. God knows men and what and how they think having known us for a very long time. Even longer than we might know since He probably has done this before with other humans like us and maybe even others on different planets. Even I can tell you how certain people will act before they do based on what is put in front of them. I can tell you how my son will act before he's born and how he will respond to me. And it's not because I can see into the future.
I said I hate to be the one to tell you this but there was a lot that Jesus said to Israel that was never addressed to the Christian. I did not say all that Jesus said was only for Israel.
We are back to square one again. Not all of what Jesus said was addressed to Christians because much of what he said was addressed to Israel.
Carl Emerson
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I guess you believe what you want to for what ever reason.
You insist God is bound by time.
I AM is timeless manifest in Jesus, returned to the Godhead in timeless eternity.
Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.
Carl Emerson
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You attribute tyranny to God, not realising that He keeps His covenants with good and evil until final judgement.
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