Imputation is based on the Old Testament
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In French it's called "Idée fixe". it means that we are so programmed with a single idea...no other idea can enter in.
If we could set up a mind reader instrument to many who come to this thread....the read-out would say...
"Our righteousness is as filthy rags"...repeated over and over, and over and over ...the whole time they read ANYTHING on this thread. :)
Hypnotic brainwashing is a way to get more people into the pews. And it works! Look how advertising works. You repeat something over and over again...and then the brain latches onto that idea so that the brain synapses fire in the prescribed manner. Voila! Human success.
That's what we are seeing with the indoctrinated answers here. The doctrines and traditions of men trying to quash the truth.
If we could set up a mind reader instrument to many who come to this thread....the read-out would say...
"Our righteousness is as filthy rags"...repeated over and over, and over and over ...the whole time they read ANYTHING on this thread. :)
Hypnotic brainwashing is a way to get more people into the pews. And it works! Look how advertising works. You repeat something over and over again...and then the brain latches onto that idea so that the brain synapses fire in the prescribed manner. Voila! Human success.
That's what we are seeing with the indoctrinated answers here. The doctrines and traditions of men trying to quash the truth.
Just for interest sake, is @marks agreeing with your doctrine of righteousness, or are you agreeing with his, or are there disagreements?
I have no idea. People have to be seen as in transition. We are in the wilderness walk...and there is always the possibility that people will let go of their religious presumptions and have an ear to hear the truth. of course, this is rare....but it does happen! ;) Even you, can learn what the bible refers to as "righteousness".
Can you be instructed in righteousness..as Paul says? Well, not if you think you know the depths of God's ways already.
You make a lot of false claims on what I believe, as well as to others.
I would like to see and witness a one on one between you and @marks.
Till then.
For the serious bible students...and God-fearers...
Make 2 columns. The first is to list verses on how we will be judged by our own righteousness....and the second...how we will be judged as if we were perfect having God's righteousness.
I say JUDGED....how we will be assessed by God on judgment day.
A third column could be added on how God will have mercy on whom He wills...regardless of righteousness.
:)
Make 2 columns. The first is to list verses on how we will be judged by our own righteousness....and the second...how we will be judged as if we were perfect having God's righteousness.
I say JUDGED....how we will be assessed by God on judgment day.
A third column could be added on how God will have mercy on whom He wills...regardless of righteousness.
:)
God gave His son to be an atoning sacrifice for us.
Isaiah 53:6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
We have the example of the scapegoat in scripture as well...the priest laying the sins of Israel on the scapegoat then sending it out into the wilderness to die.
We also have the similitude of Abraham about to slay his son Isaac.
A scapegoat is evil....one that is not "of the Lord." La-hashem How can Jesus be "not of the Lord? "... if He is the Lord? The scapegoat is actually believers who are not sacrificed...not crucified...they are set off into the wilderness, because they are not OF the Lord. As in...go away, I never knew you.
The iniquity of us all is the religious flesh that put Jesus on the cross. A better reading is as follows...
The Lord has laid on HIMSELF the iniquity of us all. He bore our sins and took on the evil that motivates us.
In Hebrew there is no word specifically for "himself". It is the same word as "him". So then we have to use logic....Jesus IS the Lord that is taking on the sins. So He is taking on ...Himself ...the sins of the world. If you read the rest of the NT you will see that Jesus says...I lay down my life...no one takes it from Me. How does He do this? By taking on (to Himself) the sins of the world.
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That’s the exact verse that came to my mind when I read lizbeths post. That it was JESUS who willingly laid down His life.
It was when I read this that the verse was added to my mind: Isaiah 53:6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
But I‘m grateful for your help on it Epi. I wouldn’t have been able to completely reconcile it, ever.
It was when I read this that the verse was added to my mind: Isaiah 53:6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
But I‘m grateful for your help on it Epi. I wouldn’t have been able to completely reconcile it, ever.
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Ronald David Bruno
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Righteous is as righteousness does. And unrighteous acts are stupid. Love is good, hate is not - opposites. Lighten up. I know you are defending your teacher.
Ronald David Bruno
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Okay, it was just a statement, reiterating a fundemental belief in Christianity. It wasn't brought up for discussion. Out of this belief flows truth. Rejecting it really impedes truth that is taught by God, the Holy Spirit. If you reject the Holy Spirit or are confused about Who He is, obviously you aren't asking for a relationship with Him. Without being baptized by the Holy Spirit, you cannot discern scripture. All scripture is spiritually discerned. Otherwise you are just leaning on your own understanding. I'm not provoking a discussion about the Trinity. Frankly a prohibition of the discussion of the Trinity should be anathema. It is needed. I think I will make an appeal to the staff.
Nope. I wasn’t defending anyone. I examined your very own words there.
Ronald David Bruno
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Ronald David Bruno
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That figures, you agree with Episkopos, you like him. Thats cool. He's got one student anyways. He's does have almost everyone else (pretty knowledgable guys on this Forum) disagreeing with him!
The idea that God the Father put Jesus on the cross is very wrong. In the parable of the vineyard you see the Father sending His prophets to warn stubborn religious people (don't I know what that's like! :) ) that they need to bear fruit.. When those pesky religious believers kill the prophets...the Father says...I will send My Son...they will surely listen to Him. But, being pesky religious people...they kill Him too.
Jesus spoke that parable to tell us that if religious pesky people hate God's prophets then they will hate His Son too...So then the Father was trying to reach out to the husbandmen...not trying to kill His Son.
Jesus spoke that parable to tell us that if religious pesky people hate God's prophets then they will hate His Son too...So then the Father was trying to reach out to the husbandmen...not trying to kill His Son.
Ronald David Bruno
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Wow, another zinger ... I strongly disagree.
God, the Father's solution for sin from the beggining was to send a Savior, His Son, the sacrificial Lamb that takes away the sin of the world. That is the theme throughout the Old Testament: a remedy for sin was coming, a Messiah, a Savior. And in the New Testament, the Good News, we don't have to die, Christ died for us.
"And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed; (Jesus)
He ( Jesus) shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.” Gen. 3:15
"But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peacel was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed." Isaiah 53:5
John 14:30–31, “I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming [Satan]. He has no claim on me, but I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here.”
"And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross."
Phil. 2:8
Jesus over and over again told everyone that He did what His Father told Him to do and His ultimate purpose (besides all His teaching) was to die for our sins and raise from the dead _ and in that believing in Him, we would be saved from death, the wages of sin - which is the Gospel message.
Oh, and let's not forget Psalm 22.
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I agree with whoever tells the truth.
Yes, well Jesus sure didn’t have the elite religious and knowledgeable men agreeing with Him either. So…not sure how you think that’s a plus…
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