If this is all christianty has

[Truther]

Its no wonder so few wil be at His wedding, and He has to send the workers to the hi ways and bi ways, because "christianity"has lost its first love, and now I can too understand why He said, when I come will I find faith upon the earth, bit like looking for a needle in the Mariana Trench.

Mat 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Mat 11:17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.

Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Luk 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

so many wide ways...

...especially Christians skipping Acts 2:38.

 

[TheslightestID]

Part of the narrow way is to believe in the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 8:58, Exodus

And what about the other part that means not to act like the devil, and to not live in sin.

If one chooses to live in sin, they have chosen the wide road, and no amount of saying they believe in Jesus will do a thing for those who work iniquity.

Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

 

[mjrhealth]

...especially Christians skipping Acts 2:38.

hmmm

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

 

[mjrhealth]

May I ask you in all seriousness what you suggest we do if we are where you say we are? How do you see it as to what needs to be done?

Thanks,

Gideon

You know Jesus, the one who said, he is the way the truth and the life, if you are not in Him, if you have not come to Him to be made ready, than you wont be part of His wedding, being in "church" does not make you a part of His Church. Remember what He said, as it was in the days of Noah, God shut the door, and Noah and His family where protected in the ark. till the storm was over. He is there for any who shall ask, but you must believe He is.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Greek says that the spirit Christ returned to the father was His breath.

The Hebrew of the same is ruach; which means both breath and spirit. So I think that the Greek also means spirit and not only breath.

You can't have it both ways.

Actually, I can.

And what about the other part that means not to act like the devil, and to not live in sin.

If one chooses to live in sin, they have chosen the wide road, and no amount of saying they believe in Jesus will do a thing for those who work iniquity.

Bit of course, for those who reject the doctrine of Christ's Deity, they will die in their sins. Which would indicate to me that the doctrine of Christ's Deity has a direct effect on the sins of any human being as to whether they will truly be cleansed or not.

Since, If Jesus isn't God, He is finite and therefore cannot die for the sins of the multi-trillions of souls who would sin greatly before and after His coming. A finite human being would only be able to die for one other finite human being. But an infinite God can die for the multitudes.

You know Jesus, the one who said, he is the way the truth and the life, if you are not in Him, if you have not come to Him to be made ready, than you wont be part of His wedding, being in "church" does not make you a part of His Church. Remember what He said, as it was in the days of Noah, God shut the door, and Noah and His family where protected in the ark. till the storm was over. He is there for any who shall ask, but you must believe He is.

That is not an answer to his question. What must we do to be saved?

Jesus was with God <fify> before anything existed. same with the Spirit! and they were all God <fify>

 

[Stumpmaster]

He is there for any who shall ask, but you must believe He is.

Seems like a pretty good offer which you are repeating because Christianity has influenced you, so I suggest that in actual fact you are living proof that Christianity still has MUCH to offer, and I also suggest you change your stance that Christianity is slacking. Institutional denominational cultural religion masquerading as Christianity and bound up in Babylonian paganism may appear to be thriving, but I suggest to you that it's whitewashed tombs are full of deadman's bones.

 

[Gideons300]

You know Jesus, the one who said, he is the way the truth and the life, if you are not in Him, if you have not come to Him to be made ready, than you wont be part of His wedding, being in "church" does not make you a part of His Church. Remember what He said, as it was in the days of Noah, God shut the door, and Noah and His family where protected in the ark. till the storm was over. He is there for any who shall ask, but you must believe He is.

And again, in all seriousness, what are you proposing one needs to do to "get ready"? No trap here. I am genuinely interested. Thanks in advance.

Gideon

 

[TheslightestID]

Since, If Jesus isn't God, He is finite and therefore cannot die for the sins of the multi-trillions of souls who would sin greatly before and after His coming.

Why are you constantly twisting scripture arpund? Jesus is the son of God, and of course he can die for the sins of the multitudes. All that is common knowledge to those who have read their bible even if they have only a simple minded understanding, yet once agasin, you go elsewhere with the simple truth of the bible.

A finite human being would only be able to die for one other finite human being. But an infinite God can die for the multitudes.

Will you please provide biblical proof of that?

 

[justbyfaith]

you go elsewhere with the simple truth of the bible.

The simple truth of John 1:1-3, John 1:14.

Will you please provide biblical proof of that?

I do not need biblical proof because it is common sense...1 for 1.

But, you can take it or leave it.

 

[mjrhealth]

suggest you change your stance that Christianity is slacking.

It is. and will always, because it left its first love, and ran to the world. Hence all these nonsensical posts on this forum and im sure on others. When Christ is not at its center it has nothing to offer.

 

[mjrhealth]

And again, in all seriousness, what are you proposing one needs to do to "get ready"? No trap here. I am genuinely interested. Thanks in advance.

Gideon

Be in Him whats so hard. That bit, "My Sheep hear my voice".

Joh_15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned

 

[farouk]

Welcome to the church age of Laodecia!

1. Many churches have a form of godliness (nice doctrinal statements) but deny the power thereof.
2. Too man churches are "seeker sensitive" or feelings oriented.
3. too many are growth without depth.
4. Too many have abandoned sound doctrine for interpreting per what the culture desires.

But this is mainly America and Europe. In 2nd and 3rd world countries there is great revival breaking out and people living and dying for the faith.

@Ronald Nolette I'm sure there is a lot of truth to what you say...

Happy new year to you and your family, in the Lord's goodness!

(Such a great family avatar photo there... :) )

 

[Gideons300]

Be in Him whats so hard. That bit, "My Sheep hear my voice".

Joh_15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned

May I be a bit forward and truthful with you? Twice I have asked you for concrete things a man can do who finds himself in the condition you describe. Twice, you have provided not one concrete tangible thing that man under conviction can do to change course.

May I ask you? Do you have an answer? It is one thing to say that the church is messed up..... snd it is.... I and many others agree...... but if a solution is not presented as well, it does nothing but make the ones addressed defensive and resistant. Trust me, been there, done that, lol.

There is an answer, but a breaking in each one of us must first occur, because only then are we fully prepared to do what He asks of us. And what does He ask of us? To arrive at the point that we hate our old nature and cry out to Him to deliver us from it.

blessings,

Gideon

 

[TheslightestID]

I do not need biblical proof because it is common sense

Ah, so we are supposed to take your word for that in the name of common sense, problem is, your common sense has not exactly shown itself to be sensible.

But, no worries, I didn't think you could back up your claim.

 

[mjrhealth]

May I be a bit forward and truthful with you? Twice I have asked you for concrete things a man can do who finds himself in the condition you describe. Twice, you have provided not one concrete tangible thing that man under conviction can do to change course.

May I ask you? Do you have an answer? It is one thing to say that the church is messed up..... snd it is.... I and many others agree...... but if a solution is not presented as well, it does nothing but make the ones addressed defensive and resistant. Trust me, been there, done that, lol.

There is an answer, but a breaking in each one of us must first occur, because only then are we fully prepared to do what He asks of us. And what does He ask of us? To arrive at the point that we hate our old nature and cry out to Him to deliver us from it.

blessings,

Gideon

So what are you going to do, wait for Him, or run around and do you own thing. the patients of the saints, every one wants to do everything now. but His people are willing to wait till He says, go, it is time. Will you wait?????

 

[teamventure]

Show me where it says it is essential, or will you insist on adding to, being the son of God does not make one God just as being the son of a king does not make one a king, otherwise we would have 2 Gods.

He who denies the son, denies the father and is of the spirit of antichrist.

 

[Gideons300]

So what are you going to do, wait for Him, or run around and do you own thing. the patients of the saints, every one wants to do everything now. but His people are willing to wait till He says, go, it is time. Will you wait?????

So....... your answer is to..... wait? Wait. What?

It is one thing to tell the church of her errors, if it is done in love and concern.
But again, if no concrete guidance is given to true seekers, it just across more like just an attack for an attack's sake.

 

[justbyfaith]

That an infinite God is capable of dying for many while a finite person is not is simple common sense; and very sensible.

 

[mjrhealth]

He who denies the son, denies the father and is of the spirit of antichrist.

Like I said show me where it says that you have to believe Jesus is God, we are supposed to believe in Jesus the son of man who paid the price as a man, God could never do what Christ did, who is the first born of many sons, the new creation, The spirit of God in man, you know that bit where the Holy Spirit descended on Him like a dove, and that was when he became the son of God, there fore He could not be God, because God never changes, He therefore cannot be the first born of many sons or the first of the new creation.

 

[farouk]

May I be a bit forward and truthful with you? Twice I have asked you for concrete things a man can do who finds himself in the condition you describe. Twice, you have provided not one concrete tangible thing that man under conviction can do to change course.

May I ask you? Do you have an answer? It is one thing to say that the church is messed up..... snd it is.... I and many others agree...... but if a solution is not presented as well, it does nothing but make the ones addressed defensive and resistant. Trust me, been there, done that, lol.

There is an answer, but a breaking in each one of us must first occur, because only then are we fully prepared to do what He asks of us. And what does He ask of us? To arrive at the point that we hate our old nature and cry out to Him to deliver us from it.

blessings,

Gideon

@Gideons300
This is addressed to @Ronald Nolette , right? or to someone else...