If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

[Lapidem]

Yes it certainly is a false comparison. You are comparing as equal a claim that has no significance to a claim that has more significance than anything.

Significance only in your subjective and misguided mind

 

[Lapidem]

There you go again. Denial.

My belief system is a result of lived experience, of experiencing the divine, of witnessing miracles, of recognizing the hand of God in creation. There are literally BILLIONS of us, more than any other belief system. You just have denial.

Your belief system is something handed to you by other humans and it was created as a psychological system of control to enslave humans and make them subservient to the unscrupulous people at the top of the pyramid. The system is inherently illogical, inherently ridiculous, inherently false but it's power and success don't rely on logic or critical thinking but rather it's power stems from use of a campaign of fear and threats and well known psychological techniques preying on emotions and guilt. You are caught in this trap like people caught in thee trap of horoscopes, eagerly willing to attribute anything that occurs in your life to your belief system. Cognitive bias.

The result is an inability or refusal to face facts and reality, to confront the 1000s of contradictions and errors in the Bible (when taking literally) and to essentially just stick fingers in your ears saying "blah blah blah I can't hear you". You can only be free when you find the courage and balls to challenge what humans have taught you. Until then you'll stay clutching your comfort blanket and "breast feeding".

 

[Lapidem]

no, i dont think youve died yet at all tbh
and youve been embarrassing yourself for about ten pages now lol

Yup

Ego and lack of humility cloud judgement and reason. The Matrix is strong. Most never break out of it.

 

[Wrangler]

Significance only in your subjective and misguided mind

Mine + BILLIONS of others, far more than those whose mind is as misguided as yours.

We’ll see. Pay day is coming. I pray I will be among those you watch you on Judgment Day.

Let’s re-cap. The Creator of The Universe called me to him and sealed by by the power of his Spirit. This was confirmed by many signs and wonders. But you say this is insufficient guidance; that I ought to take the word of Atheist fools on line. Is that an accurate re-cap?

 

[Lapidem]

Mine + BILLIONS of others, far more than those whose mind is as misguided as yours.

Nope not billions as the other poster has highlighted to you and which like most of his posts you simply ignore. Plus we've also covered the point that quantity of people choosing to behave in a certain way is proof of nothing.

We’ll see. Pay day is coming. I pray I will be among those you watch you on Judgment Day.

No it isn't. There's no such thing. That's just the disgusting scaremongering tactic used by religion to make weak-minded people conform. The mark of tyranny.

Let’s re-cap. The Creator of The Universe called me to him and sealed by by the power of his Spirit.

No that's just a notion you choose to believe and it's not even your notion. It's a second hand set of dogma that been handed down to you by other humans who are all perpetuating a psychological system of control. You're free to believe anything you like just as you used to believe in Santa Claus. No skin off my back. The very terms God, Spirit, Jesus etc have all been spoon-fed to you by humans. That's the reality. You've swallowed it all hook line and sinker. They have you. They own you. For as long as your ego, lack of humility and piousness continue to blind you.

This was confirmed by many signs and wonders.

Cognitive bias. Already covered. Horoscopes. Tea leaves in a cup . . . .

But you say this is insufficient guidance; that I ought to take the word of Atheist fools on line. Is that an accurate re-cap?

No never said that. I said you should lose your ego and arrogance, have some humility, show some guts and courage and exercise critical thinking. You're too afraid to do that because it would undermine all that you think you are, all that you think you have. All those things are illusions but you need them like an old pair of slippers. You are drowning in evidence that shows your belief system is false.

 

[Wrangler]

Nope not billions as the other poster has highlighted to you

Yes, BILLIONS.

 

[Wrangler]

Plus we've also covered the point that quantity of people choosing to behave in a certain way is proof of nothing.

To you, nothing is proof while you drown in proof.

 

[Wrangler]

No it isn't. There's no such thing.

Again, we shall see.

 

[Wrangler]

Let’s re-cap. The Creator of The Universe called me to him and sealed by by the power of his Spirit.

No that's just a notion you choose to believe and it's not even your notion.

ROFLMAO.

Again to re-cap, The Creator of The Universe called me to him and sealed by by the power of his Spirit. By contrast, you got nothing. Nothing!

 

[Wrangler]

Cognitive bias.

Miracles are cognitive bias?

While you claim to want evidence, you have a funny way of inventing categories to deem the mountains of evidence as no evidence at all.

A supernatural event happens before your very eyes. The miracle you and many others have prayed for night and day. It's nothing, just cognitive bias.

 

[Lapidem]

Like I said you are drowning in proof that the Christian God does not exist

 

[Lapidem]

Miracles are cognitive bias?

Yep

A supernatural event happens before your very eyes. The miracle you and many others have prayed for night and day. It's nothing, just cognitive bias.

Yep

Because there are loads of things people pray for that don't get delivered. Cognitive Bias makes you ignore those events.

That an event happens is neither here nor there. How it happened is what's important.

 

[Wrangler]

Miracles are cognitive bias?

Yep

Because there are loads of things people pray for that don't get delivered.

You have a God Complex, forever inventing a standard designed to fail what you refuse to accept.

You ADMIT the divine/supernatural exist by implication for miracles occurring, your standard of denying them is because prayers requests aren’t always answered?

You invert who is the servant and who is God.

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh? How so? Your answer will be helpful in my improving my apologetics.

its not like anyone here is not being frank with you, Wrangler? And it may be your apologetics themselves, even. I think ppl get caught up defending their beliefs when really they dont have to. “Beliefs” in apologetics assumes “about what might occur in the future,” is that correct? Ive never actually heard that clarified…

Mine + BILLIONS of others, far more than those whose mind is as misguided as yours.

We’ll see. Pay day is coming. I pray I will be among those you watch you on Judgment Day.

Let’s re-cap. The Creator of The Universe called me to him and sealed by by the power of his Spirit. This was confirmed by many signs and wonders. But you say this is insufficient guidance; that I ought to take the word of Atheist fools on line. Is that an accurate re-cap?

ah well dont forget the believer fools :)
although i would never ask you to take my word anyway
everything i say is a lie

 

[Wrangler]

“Beliefs” in apologetics assumes “about what might occur in the future,” is that correct? Ive never actually heard that clarified…

There is a technical word for what might occur in the future, particularly end times, but that is not what Apologetics is about. It's about defending one's faith.

ah well dont forget the believer fools :)

Priorites. There are first order fools (Atheists) and second order fools (Believers in name only). See the difference?

Both 1st & 2nd order fools deceive themselves. I've observed most people who lie, lie primarily to themselves.

although i would never ask you to take my word anyway
everything i say is a lie

How honorable. How can anyone feel good about themselves knowing they are full of deceit?

 

[bbyrd009]

There is a technical word for what might occur in the future, particularly end times, but that is not what Apologetics is about. It's about defending one's faith.

ok, tks
Apologetics: "the lies we tell ourselves as literalists, so that we can hang onto our beliefs and continue ignoring the truth of Scripture" imo

i understand that faith is a noun to you right now Wrangler, but it may not always be that way :)

How honorable. How can anyone feel good about themselves knowing they are full of deceit?

ha well at least you are asking questions now, even if they are the wrong ones

i think you miss the point of the quote wadr but fwiw i am a hypocrite too lol

Priorites. There are first order fools (Atheists) and second order fools (Believers in name only). See the difference?

Both 1st & 2nd order fools deceive themselves. I've observed most people who lie, lie primarily to themselves.

lol
you speak in facts and absolute truths Wrangler, and i just cannot express how telling that is
(14So when you see the abomination of desolationa standing where it should not beb (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains)

ok, prolly not coming back, best of luck to you on the cult of sol thing ok
hope it works out for you

 

[bbyrd009]

There’s also much disorder and chaos in the universe that negates “intelligent design”.

what if the disorder and chaos is part of the intelligent design?

 

[bbyrd009]

There is a technical word for what might occur in the future, particularly end times, but that is not what Apologetics is about. It's about defending one's faith.

i am fam with eschatology Wrangler, but my point there was mostly about apologetics supposely being about defending ones "beliefs," right?
could you label a couple of your beliefs real quick? ty

 

[Wrangler]

i am fam with eschatology Wrangler, but my point there was mostly about apologetics supposely being about defending ones "beliefs," right?
could you label a couple of your beliefs real quick? ty

Yes. Of course I'll share some of my beliefs. Not sure if there is a single label for each summary item below.

1. Humans were created as an act of love to be in communion with and worship the Creator.
2. We are to love YHWH, the Creator, the all-powerful LORD God, with our all and others as ourselves.
3. Sin separates us from the holy God. YHWH being eternal means this separation amounts to loss of the eternal life we were divinely intended to have as well as discontent during this life.
4. To reconcile humanity to YHWH, he devised a grace-filled way through the atoning sacrifice of his Son.
5. Proof of this plan is the resurrection of the Christ, witnessed by 100's - and the transforming affect on billions through the millennia.
6. The purpose of our life to help reconcile people to God through his Son. (Agency)
7. Not all will be saved. Many are called but few are chosen.

If it'd help, I could provide Scripture verses for the above. We can also delve into each one in more detail, if you'd like. Also, what are your beliefs @bbyrd009?

 

[Lapidem]

You have a God Complex, forever inventing a standard designed to fail what you refuse to accept.

Nope. I have a rational thinking complex, forever demanding facts and evidence rather than superstitious nonsense and classic psychological dead ends.

You ADMIT the divine/supernatural exist by implication for miracles occurring

Lol no I never said that. YOU called them miracles. I call them events which you don't understand. Your need to constantly support and reaffirm your belief system leads you to link such events to your belief system which as I said is Cognitive Bias. A classic psychological failing and act of self-delusion and denial.

I've put it to you that you've prayed for all manner of things as have millions of so-called Christians and they have NOT received the things they prayed for despite the Bible stating clearly that you will receive what you pray for if you pray in His name. This is very simple logic and fact. If you pray for 10 things and only one of those things actually happened then critical thinking and rational analysis would state that prayer is pointless and a meaningless activity. Saying that the one thing that happened must be a miracle is self-delusion. Self denial.

Can you be honest with yourself?
Can you be honest with readers here?

Can you admit that you have prayed for things numerous times and those things have not been delivered?

Your standard of denying them is because prayers requests aren’t always answered?

Well yes because your belief system is founded on the Bible and taking it's words literally and the Bible states clearly that you will get what you pray for if you pray in His name. If the factual result is that you don't get what you pray for then the Bible isn't what you think it is, or is incorrect and if so that brings into disrepute and into question the entire belief system.

You invert who is the servant and who is God.

Only tyrants want servants. Is that what you want for your life? To be a subordinate? To be an oppressed subject having to follow orders and commandments and dictats? Don't you want to be free? Don't you think humans are supposed to be free?

I do.

Hence I won't let other malicious humans enslave me with their very clever psychological systems of control which have been exploiting humans for 1000s of years.

You are bound, gagged and shackled, you are not free and the worse thing is you let others convince you to voluntarily put those shackles on your ankles, put a bit in your mouth and blinkers on your eyes. In that sorry state you then fight to defend the tyrants who have enslaved you instead of rising up using your innate intelligence and rationality to see the truth.