If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

[Wrangler]

Witnesses whose mental state should be taken into question.

The only evidence you present for why the witnesses mental state should be taken into question is that they witnessed something you cannot accept.

 

[Wrangler]

As I said, confused, misguided, mislead to the point that they will make any excuse to support their belief system.

Friend, you are lost. It is NOT merely a belief system! They are a witness to the divine.

From today's devotional reading, the last sentence of the Gospel of Mark talked about proof by the miracles. I have personally experienced miracles. I know people who have experienced miracles. Both were health related.

While drowning in evidence, you stubbornly deny there is any evidence at all. Pretending it is only one belief system v another AS IF the same basis for that belief exists.

 

[Romanov2488]

The only evidence you present for why the witnesses mental state should be taken into question is that they witnessed something you cannot accept.

Just like you can’t accept I witnessed a unicorn the other day and billions and billions have witnessed aliens.

 

[Wrangler]

Just like you can’t accept I witnessed a unicorn the other day and billions and billions have witnessed aliens.

To what end are you making this false comparison? What is the significance of unicorns or aliens?

By contrast, the significance that there is a God who had a plan for your redemption from your sins through his Son, Jesus of Nazareth, is more important than anything else - by far. It changes everything forever.

 

[bbyrd009]

So, you think you got it going on but billions of witnesses can rightly be dismissed for one reason or another?

well, your billions of witnesses also believe that they might ascend to heaven after they have died to become immortals, despite the voluminous evidence in the Bible that says otherwise

so you might give that a rest lol
maybe try replying to some of the stuff you keep avoiding

 

[Wrangler]

well, your billions of witnesses also believe

You keep comparing beliefs and arguments to lived experience, opinion to observation. You’re like the adulterer who says to his wife, are you going to believe your husband or your lying eyes.

You said you believe in God. Are posts in this thread how you demonstrate your faith?

 

[bbyrd009]

You keep comparing beliefs and arguments to lived experience, opinion to observation

what?
Whose lived experience? Whose observation? You keep swearing on witnesses you cannot cross examine on the one hand, and depending upon them on the other. Are you on meds?

 

[Lapidem]

To what end are you making this false comparison? What is the significance of unicorns or aliens?

It's not a false comparison as you patently know. You have a habit of calling everything false that accurately challenges your unfounded belief system. You've shown you are wholly incapable of rational debate. You've lost just about every point in the debate thus far and your only tact in this defeat is to engage in the same childish retorts which are:

- Just deny whatever anyone else says, call it false despite having nothing to justify it being false
- Just ignore the points being made and circle back to previous silly rhetoric and rinse repeat ad-nauseum
- Just keep desperately citing "billions of believers" as if it were proof of something even though it's not proof at all

It's a joke

You are in internet terms a WUM. Wind Up Merchant. You ran out of dialogue pages back and can only keep repeating the same illogical and patently false spiel.

 

[Lapidem]

I have personally experienced miracles. I know people who have experienced miracles. Both were health related.

No you haven't. What you have witnessed is a number of events you don't understand and can't explain. You've been conditioned by religious indoctrination to assume that they are miracles instead of humbly and honestly looking for other explanations. This is the scenario of Horoscopes I posted about upthread. You want to believe, you need to believe to fill thee gaps and voids in your life and feel special so you automatically attribute everything to your false belief system.

Confirmation bias.

 

[bbyrd009]

You said you believe in God

yes, and you said you were a Christian
so, not your god; the schizophrenic one that requires blood for sins (even tho you cannot Quote that one, single, time)

Are posts in this thread how you demonstrate your faith?

well, faith to me is a verb, and right now to you its a noun, so i doubt a reply here would make any more sense to you than most of my other replies :)
the ones you ignore and skip over i mean

You said you believe in God. Are posts in this thread how you demonstrate your faith?

you know what "they were first called Christians in Antioch" is code for?
Antioch was known for being a stronghold of Athena (Astarte), founded by some Roman General i forget which now
and "Christian" had a diff meaning then

Their testimony is not mere lip service; the evidence of a transformed life. Billions and billions.

"Christ i like; Christians, not so much"
...and few there are who find it

you should prolly quit while...ya

 

[Wrangler]

what?
Whose lived experience? Whose observation? You keep swearing on witnesses you cannot cross examine on the one hand, and depending upon them on the other. Are you on meds?

This is how you show your faith in God, by asking blasphemous questions?

There are literally BILLIONS of examples. Seek. Knock. Ask.

Nor sure what power of discovery this cross examination will provide. Go to you local Christian Church and interrogate the folks there. Start a thread here, demanding the right to cross-examine anyone who claims God changed their life or anyone who claims to have witnessed or experienced a miracle.

 

[Wrangler]

It's not a false comparison as you patently know.

Yes it certainly is a false comparison. You are comparing as equal a claim that has no significance to a claim that has more significance than anything.

 

[Wrangler]

your unfounded belief system

There you go again. Denial.

My belief system is a result of lived experience, of experiencing the divine, of witnessing miracles, of recognizing the hand of God in creation. There are literally BILLIONS of us, more than any other belief system. You just have denial.

 

[Wrangler]

can only keep repeating the same illogical and patently false spiel.

A is A no matter who much you deny it. You are drowning in evidence and your denials show your illogically motivated.

 

[bbyrd009]

This is how you show your faith in God, by asking blasphemous questions?

There are literally BILLIONS of examples. Seek. Knock. Ask.

Nor sure what power of discovery this cross examination will provide. Go to you local Christian Church and interrogate the folks there. Start a thread here, demanding the right to cross-examine anyone who claims God changed their life or anyone who claims to have witnessed or experienced a miracle.

Wrangler, i am not doing this to embarrass you, or belittle you ok
but on the off-chance that you were once a seeker, and might become one again
and stop contradicting Scripture in every other post
no, there are no billions, sorry
on that day many will say to me “lord lord”
except for those billions

now i know you donated a lot of money to some pastor’s lifestyle, and you think you got some education in the Bible, but i ask you to consider for just a moment; do you really believe if he told you the truth that you would pay for it? I tell you that you mos def would not
simply bc the truth doesnt work like that knowledge brings sorrow see and who pays for sorrowful truth?
You got ezackly what you paid for, ok? you got what billions and billions got
sorry bro

 

[Romanov2488]

There you go again. Denial.

My belief system is a result of lived experience, of experiencing the divine, of witnessing miracles, of recognizing the hand of God in creation. There are literally BILLIONS of us, more than any other belief system. You just have denial.

I also experienced the divine when I had some ayahuasca.

This is how you show your faith in God, by asking blasphemous questions?

There are literally BILLIONS of examples. Seek. Knock. Ask.

Nor sure what power of discovery this cross examination will provide. Go to you local Christian Church and interrogate the folks there. Start a thread here, demanding the right to cross-examine anyone who claims God changed their life or anyone who claims to have witnessed or experienced a miracle.

Those “blasphemous questions” are the questions you lack the courage to ask, this is why you deep down envy that poster for asking such questions. You’re still stuck in the carrot and stick slave mentality.

Hey, why don’t you interrogate all the nonbelievers? Seek, ask. Take your own advice

 

[Wrangler]

i am not doing this to embarrass you, or belittle you ok

I cannot be embarrassed for Christ saved my life. It is not that I would die for him. I did.

 

[bbyrd009]

I cannot be embarrassed for Christ saved my life. It is not that I would die for him. I did.

no, i dont think youve died yet at all tbh
and youve been embarrassing yourself for about ten pages now lol
have a nice day ok

 

[bbyrd009]

is there anyone left on this site who is not a proud testifier of themselves, i wonder

 

[Wrangler]

youve been embarrassing yourself for about ten pages now lol

Oh? How so? Your answer will be helpful in my improving my apologetics.