ICE raid on churches, have they gone too far?

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pepper

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I think it means you are trying to hide the FACT that you attacked the clear doctrine of the Genesis Flood in the Bible. Jesus and Moses say you're WRONG! Your Satanic opinions do not overrule Jesus!
Here's a thought. Don't feed Satan by encouraging evil to proceed.

Then,report every Satanic deed they post. Eventually,God willing,it will stop.
 
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Parents pay people to bring their children even if they can't afford or are too weak to come themselves.
The motivating factor for the pushers and the pullers is money.
You understand these people are be used as pawns for monetary gain?
Their children are taken from them, promised a good life, and are put into sex trafficking and child labour.
Some never make it to the US. They get put on planes and ships and are dispersed around the world to very bad people.
There are over 330,000 missing immigrant children in the US. This is unacceptable.

Here is something that just dropped on USAID funding concerning children, so the children going missing just seems to be par for the course with all of these goings on.

USAID Funding Child Trafficking​

On February 7, 2025, a video titled "BOMBSHELL! USAID EXPOSED funding Child Trafficking in Guatemala" was published, highlighting allegations that USAID is involved in funding organizations suspected of child trafficking activities in Guatemala.5 The video suggests that USAID has been funding NGOs that are linked to child trafficking operations, raising serious concerns about the misuse of taxpayer funds.


Additionally, Guatemalan authorities have been investigating NGOs, including Save the Children, for child trafficking crimes. These organizations have been accused of sexual abuse of Guatemalan children in Texas shelters and are suspected of collaborating with entities in Texas to abuse Guatemalan children. And since Joe Biden took office, Save the Children has reportedly received over $21 million in grant money from USAID and the U.S. State Department for its work in Guatemala.

Oftentimes evil will cloak itself under names similar to "SAVE the children" . Who would ever donate to or seek to hide behind anything truly called "TRAFFICK the children" if that were truly the case?

In respects to the State Dept's involvement as mentioned in the above, the then current Secretary of state Hillary Clinton and intervention on behalf of the Laura Silsby child trafficking scandal (by Bill Clinton) was something reported on. After this Laura Silsby, now known as Laura Silsby-Gayler was put in charge of the "Amber Alert" system.

Laura Silsby Amber Alert​

Laura Silsby, now known as Laura Silsby-Gayler, was involved in a case where she attempted to transport 33 Haitian children out of Haiti without proper documentation, leading to her arrest and subsequent legal troubles. Silsby is currently employed by software company AlertSense as their Vice President of Marketing. AlertSense works with the Federal Government on FEMA’s Integrated Public Alert & Warning System (IPAWS), which includes issuing Amber Alerts during kidnapping events.

It is noteworthy that Silsby's involvement with AlertSense has raised concerns about the integrity of the Amber Alert system, given her past legal issues and her previous involvement in a case related to child trafficking.

All those children coming to the U.S dissapear, you would have to be in on it to advocate for this unvetted system to continue. I would dare to say that most who advocate for it (virtue signalling about it) havent taken a single immigrant into their own homes (which would be demonstrating that they dont even practice what they push on others when it come to the whole open borders, and what would Jesus do (who has a far stricter border policy) into the Kingdom of God.
 
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Here is something that just dropped on USAID funding concerning children, so the children going missing just seems to be par for the course with all of these goings on.

USAID Funding Child Trafficking​

On February 7, 2025, a video titled "BOMBSHELL! USAID EXPOSED funding Child Trafficking in Guatemala" was published, highlighting allegations that USAID is involved in funding organizations suspected of child trafficking activities in Guatemala.5 The video suggests that USAID has been funding NGOs that are linked to child trafficking operations, raising serious concerns about the misuse of taxpayer funds.


Additionally, Guatemalan authorities have been investigating NGOs, including Save the Children, for child trafficking crimes. These organizations have been accused of sexual abuse of Guatemalan children in Texas shelters and are suspected of collaborating with entities in Texas to abuse Guatemalan children. And since Joe Biden took office, Save the Children has reportedly received over $21 million in grant money from USAID and the U.S. State Department for its work in Guatemala.

Oftentimes evil will cloak itself under names similar to "SAVE the children" . Who would ever donate to or seek to hide behind anything truly called "TRAFFICK the children" if that were truly the case?

In respects to the State Dept's involvement as mentioned in the above, the then current Secretary of state Hillary Clinton and intervention on behalf of the Laura Silsby child trafficking scandal (by Bill Clinton) was something reported on. After this Laura Silsby, now known as Laura Silsby-Gayler was put in charge of the "Amber Alert" system.

Laura Silsby Amber Alert​

Laura Silsby, now known as Laura Silsby-Gayler, was involved in a case where she attempted to transport 33 Haitian children out of Haiti without proper documentation, leading to her arrest and subsequent legal troubles. Silsby is currently employed by software company AlertSense as their Vice President of Marketing. AlertSense works with the Federal Government on FEMA’s Integrated Public Alert & Warning System (IPAWS), which includes issuing Amber Alerts during kidnapping events.

It is noteworthy that Silsby's involvement with AlertSense has raised concerns about the integrity of the Amber Alert system, given her past legal issues and her previous involvement in a case related to child trafficking.

All those children coming to the U.S dissapear, you would have to be in on it to advocate for this unvetted system to continue. I would dare to say that most who advocate for it (virtue signalling about it) havent taken a single immigrant into their own homes (which would be demonstrating that they dont even practice what they push on others when it come to the whole open borders, and what would Jesus do (who has a far stricter border policy) into the Kingdom of God.
Perfectly acceptable though according to some here.

America is the only nation stupid enough to have an open border policy. Now that the policy is over with, we're the bad guys?

Hey advocates of serial criminality,and child trafficking, get bent.
 

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Wait till you find out about the Red Cross.
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The Clinton Foundation and Haiti. Epstein Island.

PRAY FOR THE CHILDREN

This runs deeper than you could ever imagine.

On the brighter side... USAID is gone and Customs Border Patrol (CBP) has taken over the building.
Whatever good there was in USAID will now be under the the authority of the US Treasury and the State Dept.
We will still be sending federal aid to people and countries in need, but this time we're keeping the reciepts and having transparency with our tax dollars.
I'm watching a lot of videos from people around the world in Africa and Ireland some countries I never heard of before all saying how the people never get the funds that the USAID sends. Somehow it always gets lost in administrative fees and politicians pockets, but the people never benefit from the taxes we send over seas.
The whole world has been scammed for far too long.
God Bless Donald Trump.
Maybe now we really can make a difference in the world.
Are we ready for the Golden Age?

All I know is I'm ready to take a nap lol
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Wait till you find out about the Red Cross.
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The Clinton Foundation and Haiti. Epstein Island.

PRAY FOR THE CHILDREN

This runs deeper than you could ever imagine.

On the brighter side... USAID is gone and Customs Border Patrol (CBP) has taken over the building.
Whatever good there was in USAID will now be under the the authority of the US Treasury and the State Dept.
We will still be sending federal aid to people and countries in need, but this time we're keeping the reciepts and having transparency with our tax dollars.
I'm watching a lot of videos from people around the world in Africa and Ireland some countries I never heard of before all saying how the people never get the funds that the USAID sends. Somehow it always gets lost in administrative fees and politicians pockets, but the people never benefit from the taxes we send over seas.
The whole world has been scammed for far too long.
God Bless Donald Trump.
Maybe now we really can make a difference in the world.
Are we ready for the Golden Age?

All I know is I'm ready to take a nap lol
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Isn't 'aid' just another term for loan....possibly at interest?
 

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There has to be somebody responsible behind all this at USAID, can't be the agency went ŕouge.
 

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There has to be somebody responsible behind all this at USAID, can't be the agency went ŕouge.
As I see it, the events we are witnessing globally, both geological, political as well as the personal struggle of individuals, all making rapid strides towards unprecedented chaos and control.
I wonder how many of us recognise and interpret these signs as they are intended to be?
 
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Isn't 'aid' just another term for loan....possibly at interest?

No.​

Is Foreign Aid a Loan? We Explain​

by Duncan Ball
Foreign aid is financial, or material assistance given by donor countries to help nations facing conflicts, disasters or poverty. Some countries, such as the US, UK, France and Germany give millions of dollars each year in foreign aid. This raises the question, what do they expect in return? Do countries that receive foreign aid have to pay it back?
Foreign aid is not a loan. It is aimed to alleviate human suffering and help communities recover from crises. Countries that receive international aid do not have to pay it back. Foreign aid is given voluntarily by donor countries and they do not expect it to be repaid.

And we Americans would have no problem helping relieve countries through taxes to help with disasters and poverty.
The problem is IT'S NOT GETTING TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.

And the money they are taking from our taxes instead are going to things that we Americans don't agree to pay for but have no knowledge or accountability of where it is going or how it is being spent, is literally being stolen from us.
And this is why there is so much fuss here in the states about our government FINALLY getting an audit it desperately needs.

And I'm sure it's not just our government either.

If all the TRILLIONS of dollars donated from various countries actually were used on disasters and poverty, there probably wouldn't be very many hungry in the world. But the problems still exist so that the donations keep coming in and ending up in other peoples bank accounts.

DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency. Created by President Obama under the name: United States Digital Service, and name changed by President Donald Trump was created for the purpose of maximizing government efficiency.

The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), officially the U.S. DOGE Service Temporary Organization, is a temporary organization under the United States DOGE Service, formerly known as the United States Digital Service. Despite its name, DOGE is not a cabinet-level department of the United States government, which requires approval of the United States Congress.

DOGE's stated purpose is to reduce wasteful and fraudulent federal spending, and eliminate excessive regulations. According to the executive order that established it, its formal purpose is to "modernize federal technology and software to maximize governmental efficiency and productivity". The organization was announced by then president-elect Donald Trump in November 2024 for his second term. Initially, Vivek Ramaswamy was to co-lead with Elon Musk, but he left before the project began. The organization was created by executive order on January 20, 2025. DOGE is scheduled to end on July 4, 2026. DOGE has an office in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building and has about 20 employees there, with other teams embedded in federal agencies.

United States DOGE Service​


Digital services department of the Executive Office of the President of the United States
usds.gov
The United States DOGE Service, formerly the United States Digital Service, is a technology unit housed within the Executive Office of the President of the United States. It provides consultation services to federal agencies on information technology, with an emphasis after 2024 on using technology and analysis to increase government efficiency. Wikipedia
FormedAugust 11, 2014
Headquarters736 Jackson Place, Washington, D.C, United States
Parent departmentExecutive Office of the President of the United States

President Obama created it and the Liberals are screaming because it's actually being implemented.
Ironic isn't it?

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As I see it, the events we are witnessing globally, both geological, political as well as the personal struggle of individuals, all making rapid strides towards unprecedented chaos and control.
I wonder how many of us recognise and interpret these signs as they are intended to be?
I believe Jesus mentions something about there being earthquakes in diverse places. Metaphorically speaking that is.
The world is shaking... and not only the common man but all religions as well. Earth and heaven. Those that sit on their lofty thrones thinking themsleves to be gods will be thrown to the ground and will grovel at the feet of our Lord.

Heb 12:25
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb 12:26
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb 12:27
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.

It's happening
:D
Hold on it's going to get bumpy.
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A few more weeks of all this turmoil and people will begin to lose any sense of self restraint, and will see them "taking it to the streets "..
 

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A few more weeks of all this turmoil and people will begin to lose any sense of self restraint, and will see them "taking it to the streets "..
They're already in the streets in many cities. Here in Los Angeles they are going on weeks of protests. But rain is coming tomorrow and heavier rain the next day...so they might go inside.

Btw, I don't think ICE raided any churches. It's just that they are allowed to.

One minute video of protests today. Other protests on different days blocked a couple of freeways and created a mess for drivers.

 

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Yes, they show at least show some mercy
They're already in the streets in many cities. Here in Los Angeles they are going on weeks of protests. But rain is coming tomorrow and heavier rain the next day...so they might go inside.

Btw, I don't think ICE raided any churches. It's just that they are allowed to.

One minute video of protests today. Other protests on different days blocked a couple of freeways and created a mess for drivers.

But they should at least show mercy and compassion when people are at church, it's something that everyone knows...
 

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Yes, they show at least show some mercy

But they should at least show mercy and compassion when people are at church, it's something that everyone knows...
Not all "churches" are wholesome and good.
It's like the parable Jesus spoke of to the Pharisees about having the the outside of the cup looking clean but inside is pretty filthy.
Mat 23:26
Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

In Ezekiel chapter 8 God shows Ezekiel visions of what is happening inside His house.
Eze 8:12
Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.
Eze 8:14
Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Eze 8:16
And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Eze 8:17
Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
Eze 8:18
Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

When people are at church.....

If a place is "raided" in the middle of the night, it's very easy to assume that perhaps people were planted there and the church had nothing to with it. There are no witnesses.
But if they enter in the day when people are there and they find fugitives being hidden there, then there are no excuses. They got caught in full view of the people.

Daylight is the best disinfectant. When things are brought to the light, then the healing can begin.

Jhn 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

If people are seeking assylum in schools and churches from deportation, which under the Obama and Biden administrations was considered legal but is no longer the case under the Trump administration, they should seek assylum through the propper channels.
Hiding just makes you appear more guilty.


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Yes, they show at least show some mercy

But they should at least show mercy and compassion when people are at church, it's something that everyone knows...
Even when illegal rapists and murderers are hiding in churches?
 
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I have the internet and phone line, £24.99 a month..I never use the landline as it would then cost me more.i just use my mobile for all calls...of course I get incoming calls from my landline, that doesn’t cost anything though...I’m with plus net...,another thing that e - on are trying to do, is get me to have a smart meter..have you got a smart meter..if you have, do you have to pay any extra for it?

Plus I don’t understand why the electricity board wants everyone to have a smart meter, do you know why?
They eliminate the cost of meter readers. It also gives them a platform to watch peak usage plus. identify where a power outage can be traced.
 

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It seems that there is a desire to hunt down people even as they go to church..
"Latino pastor speaks out against 'harmful' ICE raids at churches: 'Deeply concerned'

A Latino pastor said churches are fearful of mass deportations at services as President Donald Trump's administration rapidly cracks down on illegal immigration.

"We're called as pastors to serve all communities," Reverend Dr. Gabriel Salguero told Fox News Digital. "So we don't ask, as pastors, whether people are immigrants and what their status is. We don't have the bandwidth, and we're not Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers. We're not police. But we're deeply concerned about how these policies are going to affect children in our Sunday schools and for families that are in our worship service."

Salguero is pastor of The Gathering Place in Orlando, Florida, and president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition, (NaLEC), which represents thousands of Latino evangelical churches and faith leaders across the nation...

Trump has authorized the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to roll back guidelines that restricted ICE and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) enforcement at "sensitive" locations, like schools, churches and hospitals....

Salguero's group, NaLEC, has come out against these policy changes, calling them "harmful" and an attack on religious liberty.

The church coalition is supportive of Trump's actions to deport violent criminals, but also has concerns about other immigrants being targeted."

Have they gone to far in this hunt for immigrants, can we not find a better solution to this issue.
We are in a crisis situation, so I think this is warranted. The only reason this is taking place is because churches are going too far in harboring criminal tresspassers.
 
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We are in a crisis situation, so I think this is warranted. The only reason this is taking place is because churches are going too far in harboring criminal tresspassers.
And I don't think ICE raided any churches.
 

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We are in a crisis situation, so I think this is warranted. The only reason this is taking place is because churches are going too far in harboring criminal tresspassers.
Criminals always use innocent people to hide behind. They are actually cowards at heart. Brave enough to commit a crime but scared to be punished for it. In government, I used to see prison buses pull up to the courthouse, almost all had a bible in their hand to go to court.
 
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