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quietthinker
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Don't we as Christians want to take a feather out of Jesus's cap? We can ask ourselves, how did he defend himself?Being illegal in itself is a criminal offense. Just because I break into your house and don't steal anything doesn't mean I won't be arrested for breaking and entering and tresspassing. The act of illegal entry is in itself criminal, period.
Now when the founding fathers left Europe and came to America I don't believe there were any laws of the land that they were breaking.
Which tribe passed a law saying no one is allowed to enter? There were no laws in the land at that time. Not until there was a Constitution created for the territories which were conquered not stolen. We baught Louisiana from the French, we went to battle with Mexico for the west. Canada chose at that time to stay loyal to the crown but they had an option to join the newly forming country.
What was the name of the country before it was called America? Who owned it? You could say the natives of the land owned it, but they were battling and at war with their own nations. Was it the Cherokee, the Navajo, Choctaw, Sioux ?
And when God sent the Hebrews out of Egypt to the promised land did they have to conquer that land from the people that resided there?
Would you consider Israel criminals because God sent them to inhabit the land?
And one could ask, where did the native Americans come from to begin with and did they replace people when they got here?
The history of Native Americans in the United States began tens of thousands of years ago with the settlement of the Americas by the Paleo-Indians. The Eurasian migration to the Americas occurred over millennia via Beringia, a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska, as early humans spread southward and eastward, forming distinct cultures and societies.
History of Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia
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Sometimes you have to wonder.... do all roads lead to Rome?
But once the Declaration of Independence had been signed and the Constitution of the US written, laws and boundaries were placed on the land. And we declared ourselves one nation. United we stand.
All countries have borders and laws. And if you break them you have to pay the penalty.
I don't understand what is so hard to understand about the word "Illegal" .
The United States wasn't stolen it was conquered from the Eurasian migration which conquered it prior to.
We conquered it from ourselves. Isn't that ironic?
Eurasia
Continental landmass comprising Europe and Asia
Eurasia is a continental area on Earth, comprising all of Europe and Asia. According to some geographers, physiographically, Eurasia is a single supercontinent. The concepts of Europe and Asia as distinct continents date back to antiquity, but their borders have historically been subject to change. Wikipedia
But now we have borders and we will defend them from others who would wish to conquer and overcome us.
It's called... wait for it..... self-defence.
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Why do you profess to be Christian and attack the Christian Bible???
quietthinker
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There is no attack on the scriptures Jack.
What you perceive as an attack is a challenge to your understanding.
Haven't you sacralised your understanding and made it infallible?
You CLEARLY attack the Bible that clearly teaches the Genesis Flood to be literal! Jesus said so. Moses and several other confirm the Noah account! You attack Jesus and Moses! That's Satanic!
Your attack on the Bible is Satanic! Want me to quote your attack on Jesus and Moses again?
quietthinker
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The religious folk didn't get Jesus either. They closed their eyes and ears to understanding and were quick to call him demon possessed.
Can you see any similarity between what they called Jesus and what you are quick to call me?
I can see you're attack on Jesus! Want me to quote your Satanic attack on Jesus, Moses and the Bible again?
quietthinker
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Nothing to do with opinions! You reject the Christian Bible, just like Satan!
Debp
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quietthinker
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What do you think this means Jack?
Luke 12:49-53
'I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.'
I think it means you are trying to hide the FACT that you attacked the clear doctrine of the Genesis Flood in the Bible. Jesus and Moses say you're WRONG! Your Satanic opinions do not overrule Jesus!
quietthinker
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Ziggy
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The first thing is hospitality. As a foreignor you have the right to apply for assylum or worker visa and even citizenship to this country.
Our hand is open to any who wish to enter legally.
First we need to get to the base problem in all this migration stuff.
There are forces that are pushing and pulling these people to decide to trek thousands of miles through jungles and deserts. They face rape, theives, sickness and even death to get to a destination they never been to before.
Parents pay people to bring their children even if they can't afford or are too weak to come themselves.
The motivating factor for the pushers and the pullers is money.
You understand these people are be used as pawns for monetary gain?
Their children are taken from them, promised a good life, and are put into sex trafficking and child labour.
Some never make it to the US. They get put on planes and ships and are dispersed around the world to very bad people.
There are over 330,000 missing immigrant children in the US. This is unacceptable.
At the same time there are countries releasing their criminals and mentally ill and sending them to America to cause havok so that the powers that be are seen as "justified" for passing new laws on citizens which strip them of their dignity and wealth.
We make sanctuary city laws which harbour illegal aliens and then demand tax payers to pay more for their livlihood, even though are own livlihood is difficult to maintain. So the people cry to the "government", save us, give us more money, we can't survive without you.
And after a while the people which are supposed to keep the government in check are put in check by the government.
This is tyranny, this is dictatorship, and it's not going to happen here as long as people take a stand to defend our God given rights to maintain this country under citizen and not government control. We the People.
How did Jesus defend himself? With truth.
I don't blame the people themselves for wanting to come here. And they have been put in a very bad situation.
But an unstable country is very easy to overthrow. And the chaos this is creating makes us ripe for the picking for nefarious people with grand ideas to destroy us and recreate us in their own image. And, well, most people in the US don't want to bow down to Baphomet or Baal. We don't want our government filled with people like Soros,or Bush, or Cheney or Shwabs of the world.
Everytime Israel turned their backs on God and ran after paganism, God punished them or he abandoned them.
We refuse to be abandoned by having our country run by dirty birds in high places. And we have overcome them this time, but they are still trying to maintain control.
Most people only see the news of the day, they don't see the big picture. It's not about immigration, that's only one piece of the pie.
We have people running our country that favor criminals and persecute the innocent. They twist God's creation into whatever their imaginations desire. They are killing us with propaganda making us turn on each other because of race, nationality, or class.
Rich against poor, black aganst white, christian against muslim and so forth. Mutilating childrens bodies for filthy monetary gain while destroying their minds and their lives. They put chemicals in our food and water to make us sick to feed the pharmaceutical industry.
All for their own profit.
People around the world are witnessing the greatest spiritual battle ever put on the face of the earth. And we will overcome. And are overcoming.
And though you think some of our tactics may be inhumane by sending people back to their homeland, in truth we are saving them from becoming the slaves of the masters which sent them here to be controlled.
We don't want the children trafficked, we don't want the women raped, we don't want the people to be classified as criminals for seeking a better life. But the powers that be have put them in that position and we're trying to make it right by sending them back and starting over and doing it the right way, the safe way, the legal way.
And not everyone who says Lord, lord will get to enter, but those that do the will of the country they are entering into.
We don't war, but the war is upon us. We don't want homelessness and poverty and yet we have been stolen from and abused by our own government. What you are seeing happening in the US is a shift of power from the government which rules over us to the power of the people over it's own government as it was intended to be by our forefathers.
And when we get it back under control, we will mend our immigration policies and people from around the world will freely flow to us and our ways, not forced by evil people and put in dangerous situations for their own gain.
Incase you missed it this was yesterdays speach by President Trump at the National Prayer Breakfast.
If God is with us who can be against us?
We are praying for God not to abandon us. And I believe he is listening.
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quietthinker
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God doesn't abandon people Ziggy, people abandon God and then blame him.
If only we understood the high honour given us in Jesus incarnation we would see a tenderness in God's dealings with us. We would not doubt that God has our interest at heart. We would not assume that God's arm needs to be twisted by prayers and what not before he hears us......and we would definitely not treat our fellows as an imposition.
We behave and see as we do both personally and nationally because we have no understanding of our own deceptive heart's and no understanding of the generosity and kindness of God
Ziggy
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Do you believe that there is evil in the world?
Should we bend the knee to it for the sake of the appearance of peace?
And when you bow to evil then your back is towards God and you live in darkness rather than light.
The intentions of the American people are not to cause harm to those who have been decieved into coming here and being told that they could live for free off the land and the people that reside here. And yet here we are.
We would rather make those that decieved them be brought to justice and punished.
But we have laws and as our leaders so often love to remind us, no one is above the law. This goes for people illegally entering into a country built on laws. As well as those who make the laws. But they believe because they make them that they themselves are above them.
This is changing.
The days of reckoning have come.
Fellows become an imposition when they impose themselves upon others. Our veterans are living in the streets and immigrants are given housing free of charge. We struggle to work and pay for our food while immigrants are given free food vouchers.
Our children are pushed out of our schools and used as housing for immigrants. And the classrooms that are open, the children don't understand each other's language. The customs of the immigrants are not our customs. They don't know our laws and for some what we consider crimes they consider legal in their own countries. Having sex with minors in some countries may be the way they do things but it's not our ways.
And our leaders know this. And they are using the immigrants to divide the people. We can't sustain the whole world in our backyard.
We're not prepared with housing or food supplies, specially when the supply chain was destroyed during the plandemic. And then the surge and amount people sent here, it was meant to break us. And then those who believe they control the world would swoop in and take our country away and everyone including the immigrants would own nothing and be happy and eat ze bugs.
Your outlook is too narrow, and your heart is a good heart. But we are up against evil enemies that do naot have peoples best interest at heart. And though it may appear that we are being cruel and unreasonable to people who have been decieved into coming here,
If you could see the future and the way things were headed we would all be enslaved to the globalists who only wish to control us all.
By sending the immigrants back home we are in fact freeing them from the slavery which they would have been subjected to if it wasn't halted at this time. We have nothing against the people, it's the powers that are forcing them that we are fighting against.
America has always and will always be a home for all peoples to come and have a better life. But you have to do it according to the law and the constitution of which this country was founded on. And these people were told a lie. They were decieved. And it's not their fault that they must go back. Let's put the blame on the decievers and not the decieved shall we?
But we have to get back to the basics and then we can go forward from there.
We need more housing, we need to get rid of the inflation, we need to make our food healthy and allow farmers to farm and ranchers to ranch without breaking their pocketbook every growing season. We need to fix our energy grid. The infrastructure is crumbling.
Our country is in disrepair, the roof is leaking and the cupboards are bare. And we want to be hospitable to all people, but they have made it impossible to do so. I'm sorry but there is no room at the inn at this time. And we can't bare you if we can't even bare ourselves.
You don't see the the politicians and movie stars opening their homes and inviting people in do you?
They want us to feel guilty, they want us to feel shame and demoralized, so that we will reach out to them as the saviors who can fix it.
But they are the ones who caused it. And WE WILL NOT COMPLY.
We will fix the immigration and the infrastructure, we will repair the leaks and fill the cupboards, and when we are ready we will make immigration safe and affordable to do so.
We are not without compassion to the situation. But bringing hoardes of people into this country under false pretences to be used for slave labour is not hospitable by any account.
Just because the outside of the cup looks shiny and clean don't mean the inside isn't filled with crap. We have to clean the inside first and we are working on it and massive changes are coming.
And boy is it making those who thought they had control very very uncomfortable.
I hear what you are saying, but you need to see what I am telling you.
It will all work out in the end. Have faith.
Hugs
Wrangler
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But foreigners do not have the right to expect their application will automatically be accepted. That is, the USA has the right to say no, which means no entry allowed under penalty of law.
Wrangler
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The entire premise of @quietthinkers argument contradicts the teachings of the Bible. He implies a Christian cannot expect to live in a nation of laws or expect non-Christians to act according to the law. Something is wrong with the guy if he mistakes good for evil
Jesus, Mark 12:17
"Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.”
Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Jesus, Mark 12:17
"Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.”
Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Ziggy
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I don't suspect that most of the American people know what the foreignors were promised upon entry. I do know that they were given passage through payment to the cartels both in Mexico and America and in other nations. But when they got to the border they were given certain destinations mostly sanctuary city assylum destinations. Some may have relatives living here, but most of the unaccomapnied children were just given to people they didn't know. There were gang members from different nations that were brought here to destabilize the country. They were given free transportation, free credit cards and phones and clothes and housing.
They were told thay could come and they did without any vote or agreement of the people who live in this country.
We do have a right to say no and because we the people are excercising that right it looks like we are the bad guys breaking the laws when in fact we are the ones trying to keep it. Not only for our sakes but for theirs as well.
Imagine what this country would be 30 years from now with no legal status, no borders no walls no laws.
Even the immigrants coming today would not be able to sustain those that would come tomorrow.
So what would be the recourse? One world order controlled by the slave owners who laud their power over all the world.
We won't let this happen.
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