ICE raid on churches, have they gone too far?

[Ritajanice]

Yes we have satelite dishes , we use to be with Sky. However you still get the BBC , it’s part of what you automatically get. Even with Freeview You automatically get BBC. It’s only in the last few years that you can claim not to watch the BBC and not have to get a licence, before that if you had a TV you had to get a licence.

Do you still need a satellite dish to watch sky?

I had it years ago, ( sky) I’ve still got the satellite dish outside..bit of an eye sore aren’t they?

Plus in some really rural parts, it can be a heck of a job to get decent reception, I’ve seen dishes in the most unusual of places,lol.

 

[Rita]

Do you still need a satellite dish to watch sky?

I had it years ago, ( sky) I’ve still got the satellite dish outside..bit of an eye sore aren’t they?

No they have moved on to using a router and sky box , but I think many still use their old dishes. I am with Virgin media now but only for the internet - way to expensive to get the TV package. I tend to watch most things on my iPad and use the iPlayer and Streaming services. Yes they are an eye sore, but we didn’t bother back in the day, it was just so nice to have more channels to watch.

 

[Ritajanice]

No they have moved on to using a router and sky box , but I think many still use their old dishes. I am with Virgin media now but only for the internet - way to expensive to get the TV package. I tend to watch most things on my iPad and use the iPlayer and Streaming services. Yes they are an eye sore, but we didn’t bother back in the day, it was just so nice to have more channels to watch.

Those packages can cost I think, £40 a month..some packages much more than that...

 

[Rita]

Those packages can cost I think, £40 a month..some packages much more than that...

Yes, I think mine use to be about 80.00 , with the internet and phone line - I pay 35.00 just for the internet !

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, I think mine use to be about 80.00 , with the internet and phone line - I pay 35.00 just for the internet !

I have the internet and phone line, £24.99 a month..I never use the landline as it would then cost me more.i just use my mobile for all calls...of course I get incoming calls from my landline, that doesn’t cost anything though...I’m with plus net...,another thing that e - on are trying to do, is get me to have a smart meter..have you got a smart meter..if you have, do you have to pay any extra for it?

Plus I don’t understand why the electricity board wants everyone to have a smart meter, do you know why?

 

[RLT63]

Yes, I think mine use to be about 80.00 , with the internet and phone line - I pay 35.00 just for the internet !

I would love to pay $35 a month for internet

 

[Rita]

I would love to pay $35 a month for internet

How much is it in the US ? ( I think 35 pounds is about 43 dollars )

 

[Rita]

I have the internet and phone line, £24.99 a month..I never use the landline as it would then cost me more.i just use my mobile for all calls...of course I get incoming calls from my landline, that doesn’t cost anything though...I’m with plus net...,another thing that e - on are trying to do, is get me to have a smart meter..have you got a smart meter..if you have, do you have to pay any extra for it?

Plus I don’t understand why the electricity board wants everyone to have a smart meter, do you know why?

Wow how did you get the internet and phone for that prices, that’s amazing xx
I had a smart meter fitted today, we had one when we moved in but it went wrong, so they had to change the meter. I know they were pushing for smart meters at one time. I am still on prepayment meter as I want to have control of what I am spending - lots of people have issues with the smart meters when they are on the billing method - - well I know many with British Gas have issues as I see the complaints on Facebook ( I am with British Gas )

 

[RLT63]

How much is it in the US ? ( I think 35 pounds is about 43 dollars )

It starts out at $35 to $55 but after the introductory fee is over it's $80 to over $100

 

[quietthinker]

Yea, OK buddy. There's nothing wrong with making trespassers stop trespassing. No guilt trip is going to diminish my resolve in supporting ending the invasion to the south and deporting the invaders. Nothing.

This thread questions if ICE is going too far in taking illegals where they find them, even in churches. The obvious answer is no. There is no sanctuary. Justice is ascendant. Thank God.

I guess you have cast your lot!

 

[quietthinker]

It's amazing how people like @quietthinker use all manner of emotional manipulation to thwart justice being done, e.g., it's not grace, the children, it's not justice but retribution, they're the victims, etc, etc. The absurdity of ignoring law is from the Adversary for once we ignore one law, there is no natural stopping point to be fully lawless and we know the devil is a god of chaos.

What I find noteworthy is that when God's Law is upheld there is all manner of objection and language like, 'the Law's been done away with' and 'we are in the new covenant' ......all to negate his requirements with lots of squirming in an attempt to nullify his ten words yet when it comes to Mans Laws, they become a hill to die on.

You call my posts 'emotional manipulation' (thereby acknowledging the emotional component) yet could it be that it is the Holy Spirit convicting you of a tight fisted attitude towards other of Gods children?
You upend God's justice to uphold your justice ......just as the Pharisees did.....and the two Priests who walked on the opposite side of the road of the man beaten and robbed in the story of the Good Samaritan.

 

[quietthinker]

Every country in the world protects their borders and controls who enters the country. This is normal. Why is this so controversial in the USA?

The Nations of the World think that by 'protecting' themselves in the practice of outting others they have the ascendancy. They do not understand Jesus words, 'For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.' Matthew 16:25

 

[Wrangler]

I guess you have cast your lot!

You have keen powers of observation. You should take care to maintain that very noble quality.

Let me tell you something. Hell has open borders. Heaven has a gate and a very strenuous immigration vetting process.

 

[Wrangler]

You call my posts 'emotional manipulation' (thereby acknowledging the emotional component)

You are trying to generate sympathy for the wrong group. Where is your sympathy for the Americans killed, raped and kidnapped into child sex trafficking by illegal aliens?

 

[quietthinker]

You have keen powers of observation. You should take care to maintain that very noble quality.

Let me tell you something. Hell has open borders. Heaven has a gate and a very strenuous immigration vetting process.

I s'pose you'll be applying for the job of gatekeeper?

 

[quietthinker]

You are trying to generate sympathy for the wrong group. Where is your sympathy for the Americans killed, raped and kidnapped into child sex trafficking by illegal aliens?

It is clear you cannot see sympathy. It is also clear that you need to demonise others to elevate the tight fisted approach.
The demonisation of the perceived enemy is first cab off the rank in the logic of this World.

 

[Wrangler]

I s'pose you'll be applying for the job of gatekeeper?

For the US border, I’ve elected people to do that.

 

[Wrangler]

It is clear you cannot see sympathy.

Ironic. You only have one sided sympathy.

You are trying to generate sympathy for the wrong group. Where is your sympathy for the Americans killed, raped and kidnapped into child sex trafficking by illegal aliens?

 

[Verily]

The Nations of the World think that by 'protecting' themselves in the practice of outting others they have the ascendancy. They do not understand Jesus words, 'For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.' Matthew 16:25

@quietthinker, I dont understand how you get open borders from Jesus words there. I don't even understand Jesus speaking of any countries borders in those words. How are you getting this from them?

You can contemplate some other things in the scriptures that speak in the same way, for example "gain", even as much as one could gain the world this way.

Paul says,

1 Cr 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

1 Cr 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

1 Cr 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

1 Cr 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Whereas Jesus said,

Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

Similarly Paul continues down further saying

1 Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

And so even in that instance, his question, "what is 'a man' advantaged if 'he gain' the world (even through preaching) but 'he himself' be castaway.

Which makes sense when he says to Timothy,

1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

The same could shown in the Pharisees Jesus said, "they say, and do not", he told them to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

As is also written

Job 27:8 For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul?

Or similarly

Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

Theres just a few places you can take what Jesus said and bring into it what can be compared to with it but I cannot understand where a nations borders were what he was speaking of here.

 

[Debp]

Yes we have satelite dishes , we use to be with Sky. However you still get the BBC , it’s part of what you automatically get. Even with Freeview You automatically get BBC. It’s only in the last few years that you can claim not to watch the BBC and not have to get a licence, before that if you had a TV you had to get a licence.

How do they know you aren't watching it? If you say you aren't....I know Christians would be honest but others might watch it anyhow.