ICE raid on churches, have they gone too far?

[Ritajanice]

TV license?

Look up U.K. TV License.

 

[Debp]

TV license?

@Ritajanice lives in the UK and you need to pay for a TV license to watch TV.

 

[Rita]

@Ritajanice lives in the UK and you need to pay for a TV license to watch TV.

It’s only for watching one channel - the BBC, if you can prove that you don’t watch this channel you don’t have to pay ( some streaming services don’t have any of their programs )
Years ago we only had ITV and BBC , one used advertising for revenue, the other was owned by the government and we paid for it !!!! )

 

[Debp]

Dr. Phil went along on some raids.

 

[Hobie]

What have the strong and the brave morphed into is my question

Well, you can't have lawlessness, but you can be compassionate, as we see Christ was. Now how to find the right balance between the two is the question. Most migrants shipped out are back crossing the border within a few weeks if not days...

 

[Wrangler]

It is the 'eye for an eye' principle which majors on Law.

That's what we are talking about, the law! God is a god of law, not lawlessness.

God loves justice. Trespasses will be removed. Simple justice.

It is evident today that Grace is also not a principle we care to take seriously. We demand payback ....and call it justice

What is your address? We'll send these evil doers to your place so you can teach us grace.

This sad reply of yours pretends only the victims of evil have a burden. Those who break the law have to burden and ought to be allowed to keep doing evil. You are sick and do not even realize it. We are not talking about God's law anyway but man's law, to which Jesus said, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's."

 

[MA2444]

It seems that there is a desire to hunt down people even as they go to church..
"Latino pastor speaks out against 'harmful' ICE raids at churches: 'Deeply concerned'

A Latino pastor said churches are fearful of mass deportations at services as President Donald Trump's administration rapidly cracks down on illegal immigration.

"We're called as pastors to serve all communities," Reverend Dr. Gabriel Salguero told Fox News Digital. "So we don't ask, as pastors, whether people are immigrants and what their status is. We don't have the bandwidth, and we're not Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers. We're not police. But we're deeply concerned about how these policies are going to affect children in our Sunday schools and for families that are in our worship service."

Salguero is pastor of The Gathering Place in Orlando, Florida, and president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition, (NaLEC), which represents thousands of Latino evangelical churches and faith leaders across the nation...

Trump has authorized the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to roll back guidelines that restricted ICE and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) enforcement at "sensitive" locations, like schools, churches and hospitals....

Salguero's group, NaLEC, has come out against these policy changes, calling them "harmful" and an attack on religious liberty.

The church coalition is supportive of Trump's actions to deport violent criminals, but also has concerns about other immigrants being targeted."

Have they gone to far in this hunt for immigrants, can we not find a better solution to this issue.

There is no bigger fish to fry than spreading the good news of the gospel message and of God, but...many of those illegal migrants are vicious people and criminals. If those type people come into the church, what are they there for? Are they asking questions about the Lord? Are they asking the church for sanctuary or asylum?

Doesn't your church have a security team? These are the last days and persecution of Christians has been promised. Many of the migrants came into our country hating America and wanting to do damage to it and Christians. Nevertheless, How can the Holy Spirit do hus job unless the people be let in to the service so they can hear? Good point, but...you have to be careful for they might be wolves in sheeps cothing.

So the answer is: A church Security team. Outside patrol, inside patrol, metal detecors are going too far I think.

I read one man's testimoney of an incident at his church. Him and his family were going to church and so were all there. Everyone was pretty much seated with only a little bit of shuffling around before the service...and like, 10 or 12 guys with assault rifles ran in and covered the congregation! They yelled out we want all the Christians to remain seated and anyone who isn't a Christian to line up on this wall. And somewhere around 1/2 the congregation lined the wall and then the "terrorists" said non-Christians can leave peacefully, go now! Christians remain seated...



Now the man who brought his family to church owned a nice 9mm, but it was at home, who needs a gun in church, right?! He wondered what was going to happen after the non-christians left the building. so he began to pray as the non christians were leaving and when the last one had files out the door...All the men with the guns slung them and sat down and said loudly, ok, now let's have a church Service!

I've worn a gun concealed into church more times than I can count.

You should check out ChristianWarrior.com where they share stories of incidents at churches and even have some sort of training for setting up a Security Team for a church with a lot of sound tips and so forth.

 

[MA2444]

It is the 'eye for an eye' principle which majors on Law. Law has no ability to motivate except through fear and fear is not a phenomena in the Kingdom of God. Fear controls, it puts people in straight jackets which in turn desires and insists on putting others into straight jackets.

Jesus introduced a higher principle; 'you have heard said, an eye for an eye but I say to you, do not resist an evil man' Matthew 5:39
Can we or are we even willing to hear this?

Why was the law of an 'eye for an eye' even given? it was given as a concession. A concession to what? Somebody knocks out your eye and the response is to kill him. It was to mitigate murder. It was given to a people who had zero understanding of Grace. Grace just didn't compute. Their understanding was programmed by centuries of slavery under Pharoah's whim and whip.

It is evident today that Grace is also not a principle we care to take seriously. We demand payback ....and call it justice.

Before it was said, an eye for an eye, there was the Non Agression Principle (NAP) and even though Jesus revoked an eye for an eye, the NAP still stands I think.

In the right circumstances (wrong circumstances!) if the guy has forward motion towards you it constitutes assault, and either you stop him or allow him to assault you. Your choice. But the man has demonstrated his incliniation to assault by aggressively coming at you...is it reasonable to assume that if he gets his hands on you will he continue with violence? It's usually yes in that circumstance.

And the thing is, we wrestle not with flesh and bone but with the dark spirits which entice those people to act in a hateful manner, so when he is coming at you is not the time to evangelize him! First things first!

 

[quietthinker]

That's what we are talking about, the law! God is a god of law, not lawlessness.

God loves justice. Trespasses will be removed. Simple justice.


What is your address? We'll send these evil doers to your place so you can teach us grace.

This sad reply of yours pretends only the victims of evil have a burden. Those who break the law have to burden and ought to be allowed to keep doing evil. You are sick and do not even realize it. We are not talking about God's law anyway but man's law, to which Jesus said, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's."

It is clear to me that you love the idea of payback. You see it as justice and believe that if payback is not in place, justice is not served.
What you haven't understood is that none of us deserve life; we all fall short and if it were not for grace our lives would not be.

 

[Wrangler]

It is clear to me that you love the idea of payback. You see it as justice

Yea, OK buddy. There's nothing wrong with making trespassers stop trespassing. No guilt trip is going to diminish my resolve in supporting ending the invasion to the south and deporting the invaders. Nothing.

This thread questions if ICE is going too far in taking illegals where they find them, even in churches. The obvious answer is no. There is no sanctuary. Justice is ascendant. Thank God.

 

[Freedm]

It seems that there is a desire to hunt down people even as they go to church..
"Latino pastor speaks out against 'harmful' ICE raids at churches: 'Deeply concerned'

A Latino pastor said churches are fearful of mass deportations at services as President Donald Trump's administration rapidly cracks down on illegal immigration.

"We're called as pastors to serve all communities," Reverend Dr. Gabriel Salguero told Fox News Digital. "So we don't ask, as pastors, whether people are immigrants and what their status is. We don't have the bandwidth, and we're not Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers. We're not police. But we're deeply concerned about how these policies are going to affect children in our Sunday schools and for families that are in our worship service."

Salguero is pastor of The Gathering Place in Orlando, Florida, and president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition, (NaLEC), which represents thousands of Latino evangelical churches and faith leaders across the nation...

Trump has authorized the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to roll back guidelines that restricted ICE and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) enforcement at "sensitive" locations, like schools, churches and hospitals....

Salguero's group, NaLEC, has come out against these policy changes, calling them "harmful" and an attack on religious liberty.

The church coalition is supportive of Trump's actions to deport violent criminals, but also has concerns about other immigrants being targeted."

Have they gone to far in this hunt for immigrants, can we not find a better solution to this issue.

Every country in the world protects their borders and controls who enters the country. This is normal. Why is this so controversial in the USA?

 

[Verily]

Yea, OK buddy. There's nothing wrong with making trespassers stop trespassing. No guilt trip is going to diminish my resolve in supporting ending the invasion to the south and deporting the invaders. Nothing.

This thread questions if ICE is going too far in taking illegals where they find them, even in churches. The obvious answer is no. There is no sanctuary. Justice is ascendant. Thank God.

I can understand this too because we have unvetted people here from countries all over. We have been informed that those said to be terrorists (for example, Hamas) will specifically seek refuge in churches, mosques, hospitals and schools and other similar places to shield themselves. And that's another sort of "wolves in sheeps clothing" scenario (when using the churches) for non compliance with a nations law. Those given the oversight of the sheep (in asisting them) make the household of God a target (not sparing the sheep while sparing what would be considered wolves) by compliant shepherds. A shepherd of the sheep is to look after God's own. Theres nothing about illegals, or thiefs or robbers climbing into the sheepfold (to hide among them). That would be entering the sheepfold by some other way (not by Christ) anyway.

 

[Verily]

It’s only for watching one channel - the BBC, if you can prove that you don’t watch this channel you don’t have to pay ( some streaming services don’t have any of their programs )
Years ago we only had ITV and BBC , one used advertising for revenue, the other was owned by the government and we paid for it !!!! )

You actually have to pay for the BBC?
Isnt that comparable to making someone pay for CNN in the states though?
Over here they have to bundle TV packages and toss CNN and other like stations into
the bundles because if they didnt no one would opt for giving them a dime I dont think.
I might have to take that back, there would be very little material for comedy if it was
altogether taken off the air.

I never heard of a TV license beforee I had no clue about that.

 

[Wrangler]

I can understand this too because we have unvetted people here from countries all over. We have been informed that those said to be terrorists (for example, Hamas) will specifically seek refuge in churches, mosques, hospitals and schools and other similar places to shield themselves. And that's another sort of "wolves in sheeps clothing" scenario (when using the churches) for non compliance with a nations law. Those given the oversight of the sheep (in asisting them) make the household of God a target (not sparing the sheep while sparing what would be considered wolves) by compliant shepherds. A shepherd of the sheep is to look after God's own. Theres nothing about illegals, or thiefs or robbers climbing into the sheepfold (to hide among them). That would be entering the sheepfold by some other way (not by Christ) anyway.

It's amazing how people like @quietthinker use all manner of emotional manipulation to thwart justice being done, e.g., it's not grace, the children, it's not justice but retribution, they're the victims, etc, etc. The absurdity of ignoring law is from the Adversary for once we ignore one law, there is no natural stopping point to be fully lawless and we know the devil is a god of chaos.

 

[Rita]

You actually have to pay for the BBC?
Isnt that comparable to making someone pay for CNN in the states though?
Over here they have to bundle TV packages and toss CNN and other like stations into
the bundles because if they didnt no one would opt for giving them a dime I dont think.
I might have to take that back, there would be very little material for comedy if it was
altogether taken off the air.

I never heard of a TV license beforee I had no clue about that.

Yes it’s been that way since TV began over here. They use to allow some pensioners free tv licences, but the last government did away with that……..
I think if you could delete the BBC from streaming services ect I think many would in protest !

 

[talons]

You actually have to pay for the BBC?
Isnt that comparable to making someone pay for CNN in the states though?
Over here they have to bundle TV packages and toss CNN and other like stations into
the bundles because if they didnt no one would opt for giving them a dime I dont think.
I might have to take that back, there would be very little material for comedy if it was
altogether taken off the air.

I never heard of a TV license beforee I had no clue about that.

BBC is funded by the gov and that seems to be the reason as best as I could understand , I was clueless to this too .
The license fee lets you watch live broadcast TV or face the overlords of TV I guess . Black and white TV is cheaper to license .

History of television licensing in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[pepper]

@Ritajanice lives in the UK and you need to pay for a TV license to watch TV.

That's what I inferred. I asked her the question so to obtain clarification but she wasn't able to provide any. Thanks.:)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It seems that there is a desire to hunt down people even as they go to church..
"Latino pastor speaks out against 'harmful' ICE raids at churches: 'Deeply concerned'

A Latino pastor said churches are fearful of mass deportations at services as President Donald Trump's administration rapidly cracks down on illegal immigration.

"We're called as pastors to serve all communities," Reverend Dr. Gabriel Salguero told Fox News Digital. "So we don't ask, as pastors, whether people are immigrants and what their status is. We don't have the bandwidth, and we're not Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers. We're not police. But we're deeply concerned about how these policies are going to affect children in our Sunday schools and for families that are in our worship service."

Salguero is pastor of The Gathering Place in Orlando, Florida, and president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition, (NaLEC), which represents thousands of Latino evangelical churches and faith leaders across the nation...

Trump has authorized the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to roll back guidelines that restricted ICE and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) enforcement at "sensitive" locations, like schools, churches and hospitals....

Salguero's group, NaLEC, has come out against these policy changes, calling them "harmful" and an attack on religious liberty.

The church coalition is supportive of Trump's actions to deport violent criminals, but also has concerns about other immigrants being targeted."

Have they gone to far in this hunt for immigrants, can we not find a better solution to this issue.

If churches break the laws of a land and those laws are not against Scripture, that church loses its protection from God.

churches have no business housing illegal immigrants.

 

[Rockerduck]

Yes it’s been that way since TV began over here. They use to allow some pensioners free tv licences, but the last government did away with that……..
I think if you could delete the BBC from streaming services ect I think many would in protest !

Are no satellite dishes allowed? You can put a satellite dish up and watch all the broadcast TV stations you want anywhere in the world and costs nothing. Even Telstar is still up there, but you need a 6 foot dish and receiver to get it.

 

[Rita]

Are no satellite dishes allowed? You can put a satellite dish up and watch all the broadcast TV stations you want anywhere in the world and costs nothing. Even Telstar is still up there, but you need a 6 foot dish and receiver to get it.

Yes we have satelite dishes , we use to be with Sky. However you still get the BBC , it’s part of what you automatically get. Even with Freeview You automatically get BBC. It’s only in the last few years that you can claim not to watch the BBC and not have to get a licence, before that if you had a TV you had to get a licence.