Yes, and He said you should be ready to give your life for your wife. You haven't told me what that looks like. I didn't ask what you hope the attacker might do. I asked what would YOU do?
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I'll tell you something, @Matthias...
I have suffered many things ...and so have my children ....that God knows, and will judge. Have you ever actually suffered persecution to the point of being tortured, having your loved ones tortured and killed, and being willing to lose your life?
There are times when we suffer when we shouldn't have to. And I believe that one of those is when a man stands by and does nothing when he should. I have been willing to suffer for my stand for Christ.... rapes, beatings, tortures, threats, harassments, attempted murders, and the loss of my own child/ren. It would have been better had they taken me than my child/ren ....but they hate me for not doing their bidding, and for whatever reason, God has kept me here.
Yes, I see the hand of God in that. But I do believe that if God-honoring men (or one God-honoring man) had stood ....my son would be here today. It is what it is. My son stands before Christ ....a strong believer, a martyr. He was 17.
But God still requires good men to do the right thing. All things work together for good .....but in the end, God will judge the inaction of those who did nothing.
I have suffered many things ...and so have my children ....that God knows, and will judge. Have you ever actually suffered persecution to the point of being tortured, having your loved ones tortured and killed, and being willing to lose your life?
There are times when we suffer when we shouldn't have to. And I believe that one of those is when a man stands by and does nothing when he should. I have been willing to suffer for my stand for Christ.... rapes, beatings, tortures, threats, harassments, attempted murders, and the loss of my own child/ren. It would have been better had they taken me than my child/ren ....but they hate me for not doing their bidding, and for whatever reason, God has kept me here.
Yes, I see the hand of God in that. But I do believe that if God-honoring men (or one God-honoring man) had stood ....my son would be here today. It is what it is. My son stands before Christ ....a strong believer, a martyr. He was 17.
But God still requires good men to do the right thing. All things work together for good .....but in the end, God will judge the inaction of those who did nothing.
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The right thing is not repaying evil with evil. The right thing is treating others the way you would have them treat you, even when the other mistreats you. The right thing is loving your neighbor, even when your neighbor hates you.
I’m willing to lose my life to live the Messiah’s life.
You haven't. You have deliberately avoided and danced around every direct question. And that says a lot...
I’ve reviewed the thread. If / when others review it they will find what I’ve found, and I’ll be vindicated by the honest.
I approve of all of the Psalms.
It doesn’t and they don’t.
You’re seeking justification for your evil and you won’t find it in scripture, nor in conversation with most conscientious objectors.
Interesting, I and she have given you two of many scriptures condemning your inaction. How is it, in comfort, deny the Word of Yahovah?
I doubt very seriously that he, or anyone else, would say that a man should stand back and watch his wife raped and his offspring butchered. You’ve erected a classic straw man argument.
We’ll wait and see what he says but I think you’re just stacking evil on evil.
I’m sure you think you have. At no time have I ever said that I would take no action, and I’ve said repeatedly - in this and other threads - that I would.
“In all of your troubles through this year, look to God and be saved.” - Charles Spurgeon
There will be much trouble in your life. Very few of you will ever have someone attempt to rape and murder your wife and family in your presence. These people are looking for excuses to justify their taking matters into their own hands, using the weapons of the world. They don’t trust God. They trust Smith & Wesson.
Don’t look to the weapons of the world to save you. That’s the opposite of what the Messiah teaches.
The weapons of the world have been beaten into plowshares by those who are living in this present evil age as if they were already living in the Messiah’s coming age. When the wicked see us they see the Messiah in us.
The wicked are armed and ready to use them on those who belong to the Messiah. We go to the slaughter like sheep (Romans 8:36).
It‘s the wolves, not the Messiah, who are urging the sheep to act like wolves.
Don’t listen to them, sheep. They are disobedient spirits and on the path that leads to destruction. Don’t join them. Follow the great shepherd. Trust him to deliver you from their hands, or to restore you to life if he allows you to be killed.
There will be much trouble in your life. Very few of you will ever have someone attempt to rape and murder your wife and family in your presence. These people are looking for excuses to justify their taking matters into their own hands, using the weapons of the world. They don’t trust God. They trust Smith & Wesson.
Don’t look to the weapons of the world to save you. That’s the opposite of what the Messiah teaches.
The weapons of the world have been beaten into plowshares by those who are living in this present evil age as if they were already living in the Messiah’s coming age. When the wicked see us they see the Messiah in us.
The wicked are armed and ready to use them on those who belong to the Messiah. We go to the slaughter like sheep (Romans 8:36).
It‘s the wolves, not the Messiah, who are urging the sheep to act like wolves.
Don’t listen to them, sheep. They are disobedient spirits and on the path that leads to destruction. Don’t join them. Follow the great shepherd. Trust him to deliver you from their hands, or to restore you to life if he allows you to be killed.
I’ve listed a wide range of options in other threads. (I’ve even alluded to some in this thread.) I think @Pancho Frijoles would vouch for me. He’s an honest man. We discussed it at some length here in the last week or two.
Even you have acknowledged that other actions exist and are effective.
Non-action isn’t an option, unless a state of unconsciousness exists.
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I'll be specific. Would you throw punches, or some other form of physical action? Would you use a gun, even if not aiming to kill? That may be tricky if you're not a great aim.
A little late for that, isn’t it?
Yes.
Not on someone. I’ve said in another thread that I own guns (not for the purpose of self-defense) and might very well fire a shot in the air. (As I told @Pancho Frijoles, someone breaking into my home wouldn’t know why I’ve discharged a shotgun blast. No doubt that person will assume.)
Even the police, as I noted earlier in the thread, miss the persons they‘re aiming at 82% of the time. You’re going to get yourself and others killed trying to wound someone who is intent on raping and murdering you.
I’m retiring for the evening.
“In peace I will both lie down and sleep; For You alone, O Yahweh, make me to abide in safety.”
(Psalm 4:8, LSB)
Amen.
Not so for those who depend on the gun in order to abide in safety.
“In peace I will both lie down and sleep; For You alone, O Yahweh, make me to abide in safety.”
(Psalm 4:8, LSB)
Amen.
Not so for those who depend on the gun in order to abide in safety.
Psalm 4:8
[8]I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.
One of my favorite verses. God brought me to this as a baby Christian. I have clinged to His Word as a lifeline since the age of 13 when I came to Christ.
@Matthias, no one here has indicated trusting in a gun, not even once. And yet, even Jesus said this:
Luke 22:35-38
[35]And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
[36]Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
[37]For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
[38]And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
There is a time and place for everything.
[8]I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.
One of my favorite verses. God brought me to this as a baby Christian. I have clinged to His Word as a lifeline since the age of 13 when I came to Christ.
@Matthias, no one here has indicated trusting in a gun, not even once. And yet, even Jesus said this:
Luke 22:35-38
[35]And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
[36]Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
[37]For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
[38]And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
There is a time and place for everything.
I am sorry, but you did not read my post, not my support of resolving what course of action you would/might take in certain circumstances.
If you had read carefully, I did not condemn you for wanting to defend your loved ones by whatever force that was deemed necessary in line with scripture.
Yes, we should love our enemy but how far we go in defending our loved ones will depend on the circumstances that are unfolding at that time. The issue of using a deterrent should have been decided and resolved between you and the Lord long before the problem will arise.
When I went to Nepal for the first time in 2001 after 9/11 I had resolved that I was prepared to die if that was to be the outcome if the radical Hindu population rose up against me when I went over there on up to 12 trips since then for stays of 3 months in duration.
In considering my choices before I went is the same as you have done with respect to your choice of defending your loved one in circumstance where their wellbeing was being threatened.
Shalom
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