How Feminism Failed Women

[Wynona]

In practice, today's women don't get more, they get less. They end off bitter and alone. Men are far worse off also and that is a topic for another thread. Let us pray. Let us pray people turn away from failed ideas not of this world and embrace Jesus and the fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and faithfulness.

Praying.

My hope and prayer is that the women of God would leave fear of missing out behind and discover the beauty of being Christ's true Bride, pure and holy. This is what brings fulfillment and satisfaction, not living a life for your self and clamoring for priveliges.

 

[Wynona]

Another way feminism fails women is in physical health: both overeating and undereating.

I believe the obesity crisis became a huge problem when women stopped valuing the act of buying good food and cooking good meals for their families or even themselves.

Anorexia/bulimia is tied to body image. Take away women's God-given purpose and they begin to put all their value into their looks. Women in historical "oppressive" times did not purposely starve themselves to be thin like we see in modern western countries today.

 

[Rockerduck]

The Word of God will teach the ways of health

Proverbs 3:7-8 - Do not be wise in your own eyes. Fear the Lord and depart from evil. 8 It will be health to your flesh, and strength to your bones.

Fear the Lord and depart from evil needs to be memorized.

Job 28:28 -
‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,
And to depart from evil is understanding.’ ”

You will gain knowledge too.

Proverbs 2:5 -
Then you will understand the fear of the Lord,
And find the knowledge of God.

 

[Wynona]

The Word of God will teach the ways of health

Proverbs 3:7-8 - Do not be wise in your own eyes. Fear the Lord and depart from evil. 8 It will be health to your flesh, and strength to your bones.

Fear the Lord and depart from evil needs to be memorized.

Job 28:28 -
‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,
And to depart from evil is understanding.’ ”

You will gain knowledge too.

Proverbs 2:5 -
Then you will understand the fear of the Lord,
And find the knowledge of God.

Yes! Praise God. The fear of the Lord is what's needed.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

How Men failed Women in who a Woman truly is ?
Maybe we should look into that.
Or why Men have failed to become truly Men !

For This world is Full of Deceptions and Delusions, Jesus pointed this fact out ! That's the Key to it all.

Look at all of the little boys who think or claim that they are Men ! are they truly worthy of a real Man ? or a mouse or are they a Rat ! or a filth mongering grub.

Show me a filth mongering grub ? they are every where !

There is a Trend now, as it's Trendy to be Queer, so just get on board ! Such a One could not truly have a real problem regarding such an issues, but just get on the wagon for the ride and be a total moron ? you will be idolised, as with it and all, a hero in fact ! but truly just a filth monger retard jerk !

I know that their are people with real issues in regards being Queer, that's another thing tho. they are not the bandwagon Mob !

I am all for expossing the reality of such things, but the MSM and Governments work so as to hide the reality's of it all, and that's the real problem. Governments are working to create such all such problems in fact.

 

[Wynona]

Feminism gets Christian patriarchy wrong because it obsesses over the rights of the ones in need of help and ignores the priveliges that come with being the helper. In seeking equity with men, we lost a cherished, protected, and honored status and reduced our perceived value to that of sex objects.

 

[Wrangler]

Feminism gets Christian patriarchy wrong ... In seeking equity with men, we lost a cherished, protected, and honored status and reduced our perceived value to that of sex objects.

Feminism is an evil ideology that goes against human nature. Females are not equal to males for nature has ordained an unequal burden on child rearing to the female of the species.

Looking across the animal kingdom, in almost every case the male is endowed with the status of protector, being bigger and stronger. It is not sexism that nature has bestowed the male to be more beautiful. See the robin, cardinal and peacock. In vanity, one may object to this honest assessment until one understands it protective implications. The predator seeks the flashy beauty of the stand out male.

The emergence of the patriarchy was not due to hatred toward women but a survival strategy. As the more attractive male gets the attention of the predator, the female and his children stand a desperate chance to survive. The dreaded patriarchy is a successful survival strategy that risks the patriarch's so his family may survive.

As human society developed and became safe, females were able to come out from the shadows. On the whole, we are not better off for it and Sir John Glubb wrote in 1976 The Fate of Empires that this is a sign the society is nearing collapse. Like a living organism, societies have a life-growth-dead cycle. Glubb observed certain common denominators as Empires near the end and this is one. Why is that?

It is the price of success. From abundance comes selfishness. Feminism is NOT about equality but female selfishness. The word is derived, not from equality, but the female qualities. When women glorify themselves, they are neglecting their duties toward the next generation, who grow morally deficient.

Freedom is always one generation away from extinction.
Ronald Reagan

Reagan is right and Tylter pointed this out in the 18th century.


For men, feminism puts men in the unnatural position to compete against women when their inclination is to protect them. For women, they've been duped that to serve her husband and family is oppression but to serve her boss and pay taxes is freedom. After half a century with feminist policies in place, women are less happy and understandably so. They accepted a lie, which can only lead to negative consequences in the long run.

I watched a vid yesterday about how feminism appeals to vanity, leading hypergamous women to adopt a mind set "not to settle,' which leads to long term depression - even for the most beautiful and successful women. Regarding the so called benefits of casual sex and relationships between the sexes improving from this evil ideology, that too has proved a lie. "Women don't need a man" is a hallmark of vanity for God did not make us to be alone.

 

[Wynona]

Feminism is an evil ideology that goes against human nature. Females are not equal to males for nature has ordained an unequal burden on child rearing to the female of the species.

Looking across the animal kingdom, in almost every case the male is endowed with the status of protector, being bigger and stronger. It is not sexism that nature has bestowed the male to be more beautiful. See the robin, cardinal and peacock. In vanity, one may object to this honest assessment until one understands it protective implications. The predator seeks the flashy beauty of the stand out male.

The emergence of the patriarchy was not due to hatred toward women but a survival strategy. As the more attractive male gets the attention of the predator, the female and his children stand a desperate chance to survive. The dreaded patriarchy is a successful survival strategy that risks the patriarch's so his family may survive.

As human society developed and became safe, females were able to come out from the shadows. On the whole, we are not better off for it and Sir John Glubb wrote in 1976 The Fate of Empires that this is a sign the society is nearing collapse. Like a living organism, societies have a life-growth-dead cycle. Glubb observed certain common denominators as Empires near the end and this is one. Why is that?

It is the price of success. From abundance comes selfishness. Feminism is NOT about equality but female selfishness. The word is derived, not from equality, but the female qualities. When women glorify themselves, they are neglecting their duties toward the next generation, who grow morally deficient.

Freedom is always one generation away from extinction.
Ronald Reagan

Reagan is right and Tylter pointed this out in the 18th century.

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For men, feminism puts men in the unnatural position to compete against women when their inclination is to protect them. For women, they've been duped that to serve her husband and family is oppression but to serve her boss and pay taxes is freedom. After half a century with feminist policies in place, women are less happy and understandably so. They accepted a lie, which can only lead to negative consequences in the long run.

I watched a vid yesterday about how feminism appeals to vanity, leading hypergamous women to adopt a mind set "not to settle,' which leads to long term depression - even for the most beautiful and successful women. Regarding the so called benefits of casual sex and relationships between the sexes improving from this evil ideology, that too has proved a lie. "Women don't need a man" is a hallmark of vanity for God did not make us to be alone.

Jennifer Aniston's situation is sad but in the sense that she could have prevented her loneliness.

What's odd is that feminism seemed glaringly off to me even as a teenager. They seemed to think Dads were irrelevant. I always wanted more from my Dad, not less. And black Americans are obviously afflicted by not having strong fathers just like anyone would be.

Feminists envy male privelige, wanting it for themselves but either act hypocritical by soaking up female privelige too, or learn to regret giving up the priveliges that come with behaving in a feminine way.

Im 29 and have a second baby on the way. I wasted time appeasing my parents with college while married. I wish I had started having children when married at 20 and skipped college altogether. I ignored the feminine way and paid a significant price. I am grateful for everything I invested into my husband and now babies.

I see my contribution to the academic world and the workforce as rather pathetic in comparison. Women need to be informed of the costs of being focused on career, hedonism, and casual relationships. Its not living your best life. You end up alone. And it kills your heart because you are created to be cherished, not independently compete with men.

 

[Wynona]

Reagan is right and Tylter pointed this out in the 18th century.

I also agree that societies don't last forever and the success of America has led to some very terrible ideologies that can only thrive in wealthy comfortable environments.

Feminism is one of the worst. It robs children, makes us less physically healthy from not having lovingly cooked meals, stresses women and men out, produces failed marriages, makes politics less logic based, reduces women to sex objects who obsess over their appearance, and it just goes on and on.

 

[Wrangler]

Jennifer Aniston's situation is sad but in the sense that she could have prevented her loneliness.

The man hating feminists narrative is men are the oppressor and women are the oppressed victims. Women have more power to make choices today than ever. Because studies show they are less happy than before, revealed is the fact that women are not good choice makers.

male privelige

A made up term by cultural Marxists. Men made civilization, which took sacrifice. When women do the same, they can have the same "privilege" also, e.g., die in wars, invent products, build things. Who builds the roads, the buildings, the products we use every day? Who invented rocket systems, designed and built satellite systems and invented and manufacture mobile phones and computers and the internet? When your stuff doesn't work, who comes to fix it, e.g., plumbers, electricians, roofers, loggers, etc? Who drills the oil and builds and maintains the electric grid. Men.

Feminists like to assert women contributed 1% so that makes them equal. Their commitment to equality is shown as you said, in the unwillingness to give up female privilege.

contribution to the academic world and the workforce as rather pathetic in comparison.

A number of my friends have noticed, and it is also in books, that women are jealous that men derive satisfaction from work. My wife often denies I am even working on the grounds that I enjoy doing it. And you're right, societal work is far less meaningful and pathetic than raising a family.

I often say to workers that if it were not for the money, I would not even be here (at work).

 

[Wrangler]

reduces women to sex objects who obsess over their appearance

I think women were always obsessed over their appearance but the societal expectations now for both men and women are not reasonable.

Also, feminism has reduced relationships between men and women to be casual sex, both sexes objectified. This is to be expected with the mantra is "Women are strong and independent and don't need a man." Well, if you lack such humility that you don't need X, why do you have X?

It so odd. Imagine if men were to constantly say, "I don't need a Widget 2000." An inquiring mind would ask, then why do you have it? If men and women do not relate based on need, a long stated feminist goal, then the association necessarily reduces in practice to far more superficial, aka sex objects. Sad. Very sad.

 

[Rita]

Another way feminism fails women is in physical health: both overeating and undereating.

I believe the obesity crisis became a huge problem when women stopped valuing the act of buying good food and cooking good meals for their families or even themselves.

Anorexia/bulimia is tied to body image. Take away women's God-given purpose and they begin to put all their value into their looks. Women in historical "oppressive" times did not purposely starve themselves to be thin like we see in modern western countries today.

Eating disorders are way more complex than just about body image. Bulimia is often about pushing your emotions down with food and anorexia can sometimes be caused by parents and others making stupid comments about weight when it is not needed. Both can also be as a result of abuse.
Hollywood and the media has a lot to answer for with regards to how women should or shouldn’t look, but so many other factors , far beyond the realm of vanity are in play with eating disorders.
Trust me, as an ex bulimic that started when I was only 9years old, and as an ex befriended with a Christian eating disorder society , I think you do many women an injustice by presuming it is about vanity, and the internal battle that goes along with it all.
I am not saying that in some cases image is not a factor, I know with Karen carpenter it started with one comment from a reporter, one word about her image -negative words , not feminism, sent her down the path that eventually took her life.

 

[MA2444]

It is the price of success. From abundance comes selfishness. Feminism is NOT about equality but female selfishness. The word is derived, not from equality, but the female qualities. When women glorify themselves, they are neglecting their duties toward the next generation, who grow morally deficient.

You made a good point. They are the prize because they are so pretty? And that's the only thing they want to bring to the table. And it works when their young! But when she hits the wall their value will be decreased. If they base their value on how they look then their value goes down over time, wherein a mans typically builds because a lot of a mans value is based on his accomplishments.

When a woman hits menopause she essentially becomes valueless in the sense of procreation at least. Especially so if she didnt cook or clean fror a man and invest herself into him when young, she is going to wind up single and alone. She'll wake up one day wondering why he ex husband is doing better than she is after all. But what can you do? Loll. Women come and women go. Here, I'll help you pack...

If the woman invested herself and her time into a man and the family, ohhh, he will love her and keep her for all time. She has no worries.

 

[Wynona]

Eating disorders are way more complex than just about body image. Bulimia is often about pushing your emotions down with food and anorexia can sometimes be caused by parents and others making stupid comments about weight when it is not needed. Both can also be as a result of abuse.
Hollywood and the media has a lot to answer for with regards to how women should or shouldn’t look, but so many other factors , far beyond the realm of vanity are in play with eating disorders.
Trust me, as an ex bulimic that started when I was only 9years old, and as an ex befriended with a Christian eating disorder society , I think you do many women an injustice by presuming it is about vanity, and the internal battle that goes along with it all.
I am not saying that in some cases image is not a factor, I know with Karen carpenter it started with one comment from a reporter, one word about her image -negative words , not feminism, sent her down the path that eventually took her life.

I don't think eating disorders are only about body image. But I do believe that over emphasis on women looking super young and model thin can start young girls on that path.

I don't think that it's a coincidence that more of this is happening in modern times than in the past.

 

[Wynona]

I think you do many women an injustice by presuming it is about vanity, and the internal battle that goes along with it all.

Not sure thats what I was implying. Body image and vanity are not necessarily the same to me.

Ive watched women describe their eating disorders as an initial desire to lose weight to feel more confident that spiraled into an addiction to feeling in control of everything they ate. I dont believe that's vanity, I think it points to deeper emotional issues. And I think feminism has led to women searching for meaning in controlling the way their bodies look.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Feminism is an evil ideology that goes against human nature. Females are not equal to males for nature has ordained an unequal burden on child rearing to the female of the species.

I do agree with some of what you’ve said about feminism going in the wrong direction. But it was a problem before that movement of feminism rose up. The message has always been broken even back when Samaritans we excluded from the common wealth of God…or when any is excluded from the common wealth of God. There’s always been this angst because I also grew up believing God excluded me based of my gender. I truly hated and feared hearing God because I was persuaded God would call my husband and want him for his higher and better gender…calling my husband away from me because God wouldn’t accept me calling me the weaker of the two of us. But even though feminism took it in the wrong direction…it was already in the wrong direction before feminism…mens ideology contributing just as much to the angst between sexes.

1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, you husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

^you may think I’m quoting that to gain some footage as a woman? No. What I read in that above is Paul (Christ in Paul) giving honor unto the weaker vessel …as being heirs together of the grace of life …that your prayers be not hindered….Paul (Christ in Paul) performed “honor bestowed” towards a “male” brother whom was “the weaker vessel”…one without knowledge and weak sitting in the temple and too afraid to eat. “as being heirs together of the grace of life.” Paul (Christ in Paul) loudly proclaiming that in destroying “the weaker vessel” for whom Christ died…you so sin against Christ. …that your prayers not be hindered? Give honor unto the weaker vessel as being heirs together of the grace of Life. ….why why why did Christ in Paul demonstrate this verse in completion upon “a male” “a brother whom” was “the weaker vessel”? One whom 2 Corinthians 11:2-3 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. [3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Why does it matter…because it’s major. Feminism may have destroyed “a union” “a marriage” “a being joined together as one Body” but it was already there. Forget what isn’t done in marriages and see how rare and unheard of it is for what Paul (Christ in Paul) does in giving honor unto the weaker vessel whom is an heir together of the grace of life. That his prayers not be hindered in sinning against Christ.

And even that …it’s demonstrated upon a weaker brother, a male…an heir together of the grace of Life.

I think women were always obsessed over their appearance but the societal expectations now for both men and women are not reasonable.

Oh come on. Like men have not been obsessed over their appearance as well. Even taking the verse about the angels seeing “women” and wanting to “have them” to mingle with them sexually.

Also, feminism has reduced relationships between men and women to be casual sex, both sexes objectified.

That is not all …the ideology that God is talking about sex also …just like God is supposedly always refers to wealth as “money” there is a whole agenda in and of this world to promote
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Point is if you think only feminists harmed the message …they aren’t the only ones. It’s time to get real in pointing fingers. They are not the only cause of the message being murdered to death by false opinions.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I do agree with some of what you’ve said about feminism going in the wrong direction. But it was a problem before that movement of feminism rose up. The message has always been broken even back when Samaritans we excluded from the common wealth of God…or when any is excluded from the common wealth of God. There’s always been this angst because I also grew up believing God excluded me based of my gender. I truly hated and feared hearing God because I was persuaded God would call my husband and want him for his higher and better gender…calling my husband away from me because God wouldn’t accept me calling me the weaker of the two of us. But even though feminism took it in the wrong direction…it was already in the wrong direction before feminism…mens ideology contributing just as much to the angst between sexes.

1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, you husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

^you may think I’m quoting that to gain some footage as a woman? No. What I read in that above is Paul (Christ in Paul) giving honor unto the weaker vessel …as being heirs together of the grace of life …that your prayers be not hindered….Paul (Christ in Paul) performed “honor bestowed” towards a “male” brother whom was “the weaker vessel”…one without knowledge and weak sitting in the temple and too afraid to eat. “as being heirs together of the grace of life.” Paul (Christ in Paul) loudly proclaiming that in destroying “the weaker vessel” for whom Christ died…you so sin against Christ. …that your prayers not be hindered? Give honor unto the weaker vessel as being heirs together of the grace of Life. ….why why why did Christ in Paul demonstrate this verse in completion upon “a male” “a brother whom” was “the weaker vessel”? One whom 2 Corinthians 11:2-3 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. [3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Why does it matter…because it’s major. Feminism may have destroyed “a union” “a marriage” “a being joined together as one Body” but it was already there. Forget what isn’t done in marriages and see how rare and unheard of it is for what Paul (Christ in Paul) does in giving honor unto the weaker vessel whom is an heir together of the grace of life. That his prayers not be hindered in sinning against Christ.

And even that …it’s demonstrated upon a weaker brother, a male…an heir together of the grace of Life.


Oh come on. Like men have not been obsessed over their appearance as well. Even taking the verse about the angels seeing “women” and wanting to “have them” to mingle with them sexually.

That is not all …the ideology that God is talking about sex also …just like God is supposedly always refers to wealth as “money” there is a whole agenda in and of this world to promote
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Point is if you think only feminists harmed the message …they aren’t the only ones. It’s time to get real in pointing fingers. They are not the only cause of the message being murdered to death by false opinions.

Point is:
How feminism destroys and vilifies God.
How male chauvinism destroys and vilifies God.
Both are equally destructive.

Countless verses we were never told …it refers to the “free woman” of God which includes both sexes. Both genders of “the Woman” this “Woman” front and center in His Word…not the adulteress woman bond but The Woman who is Free. Why when going after “feminism” are “feminists” NOT being told …it’s not even talking about women as a gender…y’all are Not the center and universe of “give honor” unto the “weaker vessel”. Just like “the natural use of the Woman” …how we turn that “the natural use of the Woman” into sex ….no. Paul gives “the natural use of the Woman” here

Philippians 2:19-22 But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus (make)shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort, when I know your state. [20] For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care (the Natural use of The Free Woman made Free by the Body of Christ which He gave for Her) who will Naturally care for your state. [21] For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's. [22] But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath served with me in the gospel.
Why not tell Feminism that those verses are not putting her front and center but all of them refer to “as heirs together of the Grace of Life”? If it brings down “feminism” as front and center…what else will it bring down with “feminism” ?? male chauvinism as front and center falls with …as heirs together of the Grace of Life.

^example of drunkenness.
Yet He said to “be sober”

 

[Wrangler]

I truly hated and feared hearing God because I was persuaded God would call my husband and want him for his higher and better gender…calling my husband away from me because God wouldn’t accept me calling me the weaker of the two of us. But even though feminism took it in the wrong direction…it was already in the wrong direction before feminism…mens ideology contributing just as much to the angst between sexes.

A pastor pointed this out that if women are given, guess who else is ALSO weak? Men.

I don't want to touch the "just as much" potentially false and certainly unnecessary equality claim. Even in Biblical times women were not allowed to own property. If you recall, the surviving daughters of the tribe of Israel made a special petition to Moses to not lose out on their rightful inheritance.

For sure, throughout all of human history, the penduluum never stops right in the middle. Always we tend to over-compensate. And then there is the question of where is the middle for the penduluum to stop? Consider for a moment, why legislatures exist? After 2,000 years, one would think we covered all the laws needed. It implies what was right for a previous generation may not be right for another generation. For instance, my first gf in high school was amazed at how much more she thought progressively, like her grandmother and less like her traditional mother.

One cannot have responsibility without freedom. While feminists have lobbied for women to have more freedom, they are loath to lobby for women to have more responsibility. Hence, the contradictory modern frame of women being "strong and independent" and also ongoing victims where men are the victimizers. Which one is it? A funny meme pointed out that "strong and independent" women today need a man ... to put the toilet seat down.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

A pastor pointed this out that if women are given, guess who else is ALSO weak? Men.

I don't want to touch the "just as much" potentially false and certainly unnecessary equality claim. Even in Biblical times women were not allowed to own property. If you recall, the surviving daughters of the tribe of Israel made a special petition to Moses to not lose out on their rightful inheritance.

For sure, throughout all of human history, the penduluum never stops right in the middle. Always we tend to over-compensate. And then there is the question of where is the middle for the penduluum to stop? Consider for a moment, why legislatures exist? After 2,000 years, one would think we covered all the laws needed. It implies what was right for a previous generation may not be right for another generation. For instance, my first gf in high school was amazed at how much more she thought progressively, like her grandmother and less like her traditional mother.

One cannot have responsibility without freedom. While feminists have lobbied for women to have more freedom, they are loath to lobby for women to have more responsibility. Hence, the contradictory modern frame of women being "strong and independent" and also ongoing victims where men are the victimizers. Which one is it? A funny meme pointed out that "strong and independent" women today need a man ... to put the toilet seat down.

As a woman who came to scripture asking why God hated me. I’m only telling you that as a housewife, homemaker and wife …it was most beneficial to see all those verses I thought talked about me…was not about me. For example in Numbers when there is a woman brought before the priest and accused of adultery and made to drink the bitter water. If she is guilty of adultery her thigh rots and her belly swells. If she drinks and has committed not adultery, then she is Free to conceive and bear Fruit. Since the Woman is saved through child bearing, that Free Woman who brings forth Fruit …same as in Romans “you are free by the body of Christ to bear Fruit unto God… made “free” to bear children…it was helpful to see that all is talking about something far higher and better than “feminism” or “sexism” or any “ism” ….now we should be able to see that me as a female wasn’t “saved through childbirth” by getting pregnant and having two daughters in the hospital…bearing those contractions and pain of birth in labour …but what is spoken of in Romans:
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

If “a woman is saved through childbirth”
Does NOT transcend “gender”
…then men have a issue of excusing themselves from The Woman who in Numbers 5 and Romans is made Free (by the body of her husband, who gave Himself for Her) to bring forth Fruit unto God by Christ.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

As a woman who came to scripture asking why God hated me. I’m only telling you that as a housewife, homemaker and wife …it was most beneficial to see all those verses I thought talked about me…was not about me. For example in Numbers when there is a woman brought before the priest and accused of adultery and made to drink the bitter water. If she is guilty of adultery her thigh rots and her belly swells. If she drinks and has committed not adultery, then she is Free to conceive and bear Fruit. Since the Woman is saved through child bearing, that Free Woman who brings forth Fruit …same as in Romans “you are free by the body of Christ to bear Fruit unto God… made “free” to bear children…it was helpful to see that all is talking about something far higher and better than “feminism” or “sexism” or any “ism” ….now we should be able to see that me as a female wasn’t “saved through childbirth” by getting pregnant and having two daughters in the hospital…bearing those contractions and pain of birth in labour …but what is spoken of in Romans:
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

If “a woman is saved through childbirth”
Does NOT transcend “gender”
…then men have a issue of excusing themselves from The Woman who in Numbers 5 and Romans is made Free (by the body of her husband, who gave Himself for Her) to bring forth Fruit unto God by Christ.

If we want to talk about something that has failed …it came in long ago… Mark 7:7 However in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
“feminism” a symptom …seeing something is broken and thinking “feminism” was a way to fix it, but agree “feminism” only made it worse. But the message seems to be “it wasn’t broken so why try to fix what wasn’t broken?” But it was… broken.


Ephesians 4:13-15 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: [14] That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [15] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: