How does a "Heresy" operate?

[David in NJ]

Here is what i can tell you about the Rapture..
If you are actually born again, and are not just a Acts 2:38 water baptized religious fakir, then you will be in it.
If you are not in it then you are going into the Trib and Great Trib, and you'll have to ""endure to the end"" of it, to be saved.
You dont want to be there.... as you'll probably be martyr'd., if you wont "take the mark" and if you take it, you just went to Hell, while you are still breathing.

Also..

Something interesting is happening in Israel......
The Religious Jews are NOW watching the Fall of Damascus..and they were waiting for this, as this is their sign that their Messiah is about to return.
So, they believe that this is going to usher in their Messiah, who is the anti-Christ.. He is also known as the Islamic : Mahdi.

What this world is witnessing in Israel is a very loud "GET READY CHURCH"........and if you are reading this... you need to do that... and stay there.

If you are actually born again, and are not just a Acts 2:38 water baptized religious fakir, then you will be in it.
If you are not in it then you are going into the Trib and Great Trib, and you'll have to ""endure to the end"" of it, to be saved.

Notice how this comes from your thinking but cannot be found anywhere in the Scriptures.

Even worse - you are calling the Lord Jesus Christ a liar for HE Prophesied that HE is Coming AFTER the Tribulation of those days.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[David in NJ]

Here is what i can tell you about the Rapture..
If you are actually born again, and are not just a Acts 2:38 water baptized religious fakir, then you will be in it.
If you are not in it then you are going into the Trib and Great Trib, and you'll have to ""endure to the end"" of it, to be saved.
You dont want to be there.... as you'll probably be martyr'd., if you wont "take the mark" and if you take it, you just went to Hell, while you are still breathing.

Also..

Something interesting is happening in Israel......
The Religious Jews are NOW watching the Fall of Damascus..and they were waiting for this, as this is their sign that their Messiah is about to return.
So, they believe that this is going to usher in their Messiah, who is the anti-Christ.. He is also known as the Islamic : Mahdi.

What this world is witnessing in Israel is a very loud "GET READY CHURCH"........and if you are reading this... you need to do that... and stay there.

JESUS, the Holy Spirit and the Apostles all said that we will have to endure the coming of the wicked one.

Why would you believe men who speak against God???

 

[David in NJ]

May God correct your evil accusations!!

Absolutely, i always PRAY for God to correct me when i am in error.

How about you???

JESUS said HE is coming AFTER the Tribulation as did the Apostles, so why do you not believe them???

Share from the scriptures, without adding to them or subtracting from them
This is the 'acid test' by which every word/doctrine shall be TESTED to SEE if it is Truth or error.

i WHOLLY submit myself to correction from the Word of God
How about you?

Does our FATHER want us to be falsely accusing one another?
Will you submit WHOLLY to the Word = "It is written"

Bring forth, from our LORD Jesus Christ and His Apostles where they said "BEFORE the Resurrection, Christ will rapture us."

 

[David in NJ]

You know I'm calling you out as a liar and divisive. Right? You speak evil of others falsely. Again, for shame!

Is Truth divisive in the Body of Christ or is a lie divisive?

 

[David in NJ]

You know I'm calling you out as a liar and divisive. Right? You speak evil of others falsely. Again, for shame!

@Behold and marks

JESUS, the Holy Spirit and the Apostles all said that we will have to endure the coming of the wicked one.

Why would you believe men who speak against God and cause DIVISION in the Body of Christ?

Does our FATHER want us to be falsely accusing one another?

 

[David in NJ]

You accuse God's children as liars though you simply disagree with them, and that, in my view, is shameful.

i NEVER did this which you accuse

You and @Behold are speaking directly AGAINST the words of Christ - WHY?

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Where in Scripture doe sit NEGATE these words of Christ???

 

[David in NJ]

Calling Christians liars who are not liars is divisive, and you should stop. Read I Corinthians 3 to see how God views those who divide the body. And pray.

Much love!

Pre-trib rapture is a lie so you need to stop causing division by lying against Christ and the Apostles.

WHY are you saying that JESUS did not speak the Truth?

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[David in NJ]

What a crock coming from you!!

Deflection into personal denigration and you defend it!!

Again, you keep referring to the words of Christ and the Apostles as a 'crock' !!!

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

WHY are you calling the words of Christ and the Apostles - "a crock" ?
When you do this @marks or @Behold you remove yourselves from fellowship in the Truth and cause division.

 

[Behold]

Notice how this comes from your thinking but cannot be found anywhere in the Scriptures.

The word "Rapture" is not found in the NT, is what you mean.

Even worse - you are calling the Lord Jesus Christ a liar for HE Prophesied that HE is Coming AFTER the Tribulation of those days.

That Heresy you are teaching is so redundant of you.
This """"Pre-MID-POST"", Rabbit Hole that you live in ..is a waste of your time for many years.... @David in NJ

 

[David in NJ]

You do it routinely, and like I said, If you can't see it, pray about it that God will show you.

Much love!

Neither you nor i can see what is NOT written in the scriptures.

Bring forth the TRUTH from the Scriptures and we can fellowship in Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life.

The word "Rapture" is not found in the NT, is what you mean.



That Heresy you are teaching is so redundant of you.
This """"Pre-MID-POST"", Rabbit Hole that you live in ..is a waste of your time for many years.... @David in NJ

Bearing false witness is sin = very BAD

JESUS and the Apostles say that the Resurrection preceeds the Rapture and you and @marks reverse the words of God - WHY?

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[Behold]

When you do this @marks or @Behold you remove yourselves from fellowship in the Truth and cause division.

Listen... if you dont want to believe in the "Time of the Gentiles" that is going to end once the "Trib" starts, then that is because you are not any type of Legit student of Eschatology.
So, its really simple....

= The "time of the Gentiles'" is not going into the "TRIB" because that is when GOD resumes His dealing with the JEW., and the "body of Christ" that is mostly GENTILES... as found in the "time of the Gentiles".. wont be here on this EARTH......... as this " GENTILE TIME" ends, and God resumes Dealing with the JEW...
So the "Rapture" is regarding all those who have become "the Church" in the "time of the Gentiles".., and precedes the TRIB, when God resumes His dealing with the JEW.

 

[David in NJ]

God's TRUTH

@Behold and @marks claim pre-trib rapture is truth yet there does not exist a single scripture that declares "pre-trib" rapture.

Even WORSE, you speak AGAINST the words of Christ and the Apostles - WHY???

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[Behold]

Even WORSE, you speak AGAINST the words of Christ and the Apostles - WHY???

just study this..

The "time of the Gentiles'" is not going into the "TRIB" because that is when GOD resumes His dealing with the JEW., and the "body of Christ" that is mostly GENTILES... as found in the "time of the Gentiles".. wont be here on this EARTH......... as this " GENTILE TIME" ends, and God resumes Dealing with the JEW...

= So the "Rapture" is regarding all those who have become "the Church" in the "time of the Gentiles".., and precedes the TRIB, when God resumes His dealing with the JEW.

 

[David in NJ]

Listen... if you dont want to believe in the "Time of the Gentiles" that is going to end once the "Trib" starts, then that is because you are not any type of Legit student of Eschatology.
So, its really simple....

= The "time of the Gentiles'" is not going into the "TRIB" because that is when GOD resumes His dealing with the JEW., and the "body of Christ" that is mostly GENTILES... as found in the "time of the Gentiles".. wont be here on this EARTH......... as this " GENTILE TIME" ends, and God resumes Dealing with the JEW...
So the "rapture" is regarding all those who have become "the Church" in the "time of the Gentiles"..

JESUS never said what you claim and neither did the Apostle Paul.

As a matter of TRUTH, JESUS said the OPPOSITE of what you are saying.

Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.


But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[Behold]

JESUS never said what you claim and neither did the Apostle Paul.

Let me try it again for you.. @David in NJ


Notice....

"The Time of the Gentiles".. and Paul is the "Apostle TO the Gentiles'...

This "TIME">. started with The Cross and ENDs, as the TRIBULATION PERIOD (Time) Starts .

The "Time of the Gentiles:"" is when God is dealing specivially with......= .GENTILES.......and this is going to END.

When this "time of the GENTILES": ends.. then God is going to deal specifically with the JEW again as He did in the OT.

The CHURCH, that has been created by Paul's Gospel.........is FINISHED.. as the "time of the Gentiles is OVER"..

So, the CHRUCH, the "body of Christ".... will be lifted off this EARTH, by the Resurrection Power of Jesus, before the TRIBULATION STARTS.

If you are still here, then it will be interesting for you to hear how the News Media is going to explain that Billions of People "Just Vanished".

 

[David in NJ]

Let me try it again for you..


Notice.

"The Time of the Gentiles".. and Paul is the "Apostle TO the Gentiles'...

This "TIME">. started with The Cross and ENDs, as the TRIBULATION PERIOD (Time) Starts .

The Time of the Gentiles is when God is dealing with..............GENTILES.......and this is going to END.

When this "time of the GENTILES ends".. then God is going to deal with the JEW again as He did in the OT.

The CHURCH, that has been created by Paul's Gospel.........is FINISHED.. as the "time of the Gentiles is OVER"..

So, the CHRUCH, will be lifted off this EARTH, by the Resurrection Power of Jesus, before the TRIBULATION STARTS.

Heresy #1 - "The CHURCH, that has been created by Paul's Gospel"

TRUTH - "God preached the Gospel to Abraham"

TRUTH - the "time of the Gentiles" is given in Daniel chapter 2 and continues until the Second Coming of Christ
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

TRUTH - JESUS says that ONLT at His Second Coming will Israel be restored - Matthew 23:37

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Why are you and @marks speaking against Christ and the Apostles???

 

[Behold]

Heresy #1 - "The CHURCH, that has been created by Paul's Gospel"

The Body of Christ, birthed by the Holy Spirit of God.... is the "one True Church" that is created by Paul's Gospel.

And if you preach, or teach, any other Gospel, other then Paul's.. You are this one, and so is your CULT.

Read it carefully, @David in NJ

Galatians 1:8

 

[David in NJ]

The point I'm trying to express with you is that you have this very bad habit of calling those who disagree with you over Scripture, you seem to have this fondness of calling them liars.

To lie is to speak falsely with the intent to deceive. You bandy this word around like Santa handing out candy, even though no one here is trying to deceive you by saying to you things they know to be false.

And you do this to your "Christian brothers" though this is not how a Christian should talk.

And you declare I've called Jesus a Liar!

Again, shameful!

You are not disagreeing with me but you are disagreeing with Christ and the Apostles - WHY?

JESUS says HE is Coming AFTER the Tribulation.

Therefore, if i were to say JESUS is Coming BEFORE the Tribulation i would be calling JESUS a liar.

 

[Behold]

You are not disagreeing with me but you are disagreeing with Christ and the Apostles - WHY?

1.) "The Time of the Gentiles".. and Paul is the "Apostle TO the Gentiles'...

2.) This "TIME">. started with The Cross and ENDs, as the TRIBULATION PERIOD (Time) Starts .

3.) The "Time of the Gentiles:"" is when God is dealing specivially with......= .GENTILES.......and this is going to END.

4.) When this "time of the GENTILES": ends.. then God is going to deal specifically with the JEW again as He did in the OT.

5.) The CHURCH, that has been created by Paul's Gospel.........is FINISHED.. as the "time of the Gentiles is OVER"..

A.) So, the CHRUCH, the "body of Christ".... will be lifted off this EARTH, by the Resurrection Power of Jesus, before the TRIBULATION STARTS.

If you are still here, then it will be interesting for you to hear how the News Media is going to explain that Billions of People "Just Vanished".

 

[David in NJ]

The Body of Christ, birthed by the Holy Spirit of God.... is the "one True Church" that is created by Paul's Gospel.

And if you preach, or teach, any other Gospel, other then Pauls.. You are this one, and so is your CULT.

Read it carefully, @David in NJ

Galatians 1:8

Where did Paul receive the Gospel from? - himself?

Get your understanding STRAIGHT

The Apostle Paul says the revelation of the Gospel was GIVEN to him!

For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.