How Did the False Pre-trib Rapture Get Started?

[Davy]

Did you know Brethren in Christ, that God foretold about man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory back then in the prophet of Ezekiel? God covered it in the Ezekiel 13 Chapter, and here I'll cover it for you... line upon line.

Important to know this about Ezekiel first -- in Ezekiel 3, God gave Ezekiel a roll to eat, and then told Ezekiel to go speak to the "house of Israel". At this point in Israel's history, God had already split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, and had already scattered the northern "kingdom of Israel" made up of only 10 tribes. These 10 tribes were captive to Assyria about 45 miles north of Babylon where the Jews of the "house of Judah" were, and God was sending Ezekiel north to those 10 tribes, the house of Israel.

Thus Ezekiel was mainly sent as a prophet to the ten tribes of Israel. And the ten tribes were scattered mainly among the Gentiles to the West, where they are still in majority there to this day, and make up a large portion of Christ's Church.

Thus many Ezekiel Scriptures are still not fulfilled today, and are for Christ's Church.

Ezek 13
13 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, 'Hear ye the word of the LORD;
3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.

When is that "day of the LORD"? Has it every happened yet? No. That's about the very last day of this present world, when Jesus returns. Apostles Paul and Peter both showed that "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night" (1 Thess.5; 2 Peter 3:10). Might that mean this Ezekiel 13 Scripture could involve prophecy for the last days, for our times? Yes, definitely.

6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, "The LORD saith": and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

In case you haven't yet figured it out, God is pointing to PREACHERS here, even calls them "foxes". They instead preach their own word, and even claim, "God said," when He didn't speak to them! Hear those preachers, "Yeah, God told me to get my groceries at this store, can I get an Amen?"

7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, "The LORD saith it"; albeit I have not spoken?

8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.

Can't get more clear than that. God didn't speak to the false preachers. Yet they claim He did.

9 And Mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of My people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Woah! Do you see that? God is not going to allow those false preachers to even enter into the land of Israel in His future Kingdom! Wonder where they will be? Jesus showed that; they'll be cast to the "outer darkness". Look it up.

10 Because, even because they have seduced My people, saying, "Peace"; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:
11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.
12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in My fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in Mine anger, and great hailstones in My fury to consume it.

Do you recall that Apostle Paul said when the deceived say, "Peace and safety," that's when the "sudden destruction" will come upon them? (1 Thess.5). That is what the deceived will be thinking in our near future when the false-Messiah shows up in Jerusalem and ends all wars. The world will think that world peace has actually come. Who is able to make war with beast?, the Scripture says in Rev.13.

Untempered mortar means like a brick mortar that won't harden, won't setup. As soon as a strong rainstorm hits it, the whole wall and mortar falls apart, the whole wall comes tumbling down. That is what God is using as an analogy to their false preaching. And on the day of future coming, that is what He is going to symbolically do their false teaching.

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[Davy]

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14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
15 Thus will I accomplish My wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, "The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;"

That day of His "wrath" is not yet today, but it is soon to come on the day of Christ's future return, i.e., the "day of the Lord". That is the day of the "sudden destruction" Paul was pointing to on that "day of the Lord" per 1 Thessalonians 5, so what was that I said at the start of this, that this Ezekiel chapter still has prophecy not yet come to pass today?

16 To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.

That again is God referring to the future time of "great tribulation" which the whole world will be deceived into thinking it is a time of "Peace and safety", when there won't be real peace.

17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,

Ezekiel having been sent to the "house of Israel" (ten lost tribes) to speak these words from God, that means to Christ's Church for today. The "daughters of thy people" is a phrase that means the 'leaders'. So that would be the preachers and elders who preach and teach in Christ's Church today.

18 And say, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of My people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?

The idea of hunting souls of course is the preaching of The Gospel, but with an included guarantee those fox preachers add to it.

19 And will ye pollute Me among My people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to My people that hear your lies?

That is exactly what is happening in many of today's Churches today, they allow abominations to go on when those who are guilty of them should be cast out of the Church, while those foxes rebuke and mock those members who complain about those guilty and their continued abominations. Concerned members in the Church can even show their leaders the correct Bible Scripture where God condemned an abominable act and to rebuke the guilty in front of the congregation, and the fox preachers will instead DENY the very Bible Scripture, just so they can allow the abomination and the person guilty of it to continue in the Church!

20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

THERE IT IS... God is pointing to the FALSE PRE-TRIBULATIONAL RAPTURE theory. God hates it. He hates those fox preachers that hunt the souls of His people "to make them fly"!! Ever heard that old Gospel tune "I'll Fly Away"? Sing it for us, why don't ya. Sing it to God, and do it loud so He hears ya!

21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver My people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

Oh yeah... the FLY AWAY churches especially push that 'you're saved' lie to the wicked while the wicked will won't turn from their evil ways. The fox preachers promise the wicked life when that wicked won't show they've repented and changed their ways!

But for the righteous, those foxes will claim they have too much, and that they have no rights, and must endure the sinners who won't repent from their acts of homosexuality, stealing, adultery and fornication, drug and alcohol abuse, etc. Even many of the pulpit foxes practice some of those things in secret! GOD SEES IT. He Knows.

23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver My people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
KJV

That sounds like God is going to provide a consolation for those deceived by those fox pre-trib rapture preachers. I hope He does provide that release and protection for those deceived by those foxes.

 

[DJT_47]

How? Like all other false teaching, predicted upon a lack of scriptural understanding.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Some good points and some minor disagreements. I hesitate to mention any disagreements because I don't wish to distract you away from your main points, which are quite good.

Absolutely right--what are the Pretribbers *watching for?* They seem to think they are supposed to be expecting Christ every day? It's bizarre. They think that in doing this they are keeping their lives clean and ready for an event that could happen at any time. I can't think of anything stranger one could put in Jesus' mouth, as if he actually said such a thing?

We cannot possibly prepare for Christ's Coming by expecting him every day! Our minds should be on serving the Lord every day--that is how we remain prepared for the Kingdom, whenever it may come.

So we are told specifically to watch out against laziness, carnal indulgences, evil deceptions, liars, etc. etc. This is a practical way of "watching for Christ's Coming." We don't expect him each and every day. But we remain prepared for him each and every day--not as if he could come any day but that we should walk with him every day. ;)

Paul specifically said in 2 Thes 2 that the Day of the Lord cannot take place before Antichrist comes. And that is because Christ is coming back to specifically destroy him! That's the story in Dan 7 that Paul was referring to!

Anyway, I have a different view of the "Abomination of Desolation" than you do, as well as a different view of the "Beginning of Sorrows" than you do. Never mind--we have to choose our interpretations, if only tentatively.

I believe the Olivet Discourse was more focused on the 1st generation of the Church and on the Jewish experience in the NT era. This may sound like Preterism, but it is not.

It's what the early Church Fathers believed, that Jesus was addressing his Disciples as Jews, before the Cross. The Jews would lose their main city of Jerusalem, as well as their temple worship, and go into dispersion throughout the present age.

This is the "Great Tribulation" as Jesus defined it in Luke 21. It was to be a "Jewish Punishment."

However, Irenaeus and Hippolytus saw it differently in the Early Church, and thought that the AoD referred to the Antichrist. And so, there are these 2 positions, dignified with great historical depth. You have to decide for yourself.

Your sense that "great tribulation" is misperceived is, however, a good one. People keep thinking of something cataclysmic that is coming, when it really is the world's plan for peace. This program of "peace," however, ends up persecuting those who are preparing for God's Kingdom. This is what we really need to be "watching for!"

Thanks again for your input. Your anti-Pretrib views are most appreciated. We want people to be properly prepared, and not just aimlessly staring out to space, awaiting the Lord's Coming. ;)

"""Thanks again for your input. Your anti-Pretrib views are most appreciated"""

You guys are comical and so desperate.
These tactics are from Saul alenskis" rules for radicals ".
Attack your opponent personally with issues outside the debate.

But hey if you convince yourselves, no matter how untruthful....poooof! You won!!!!
( in your own little minds)
None of you can go toe to toe with me.
Stick with your little untruthful side show.


Psssst...all that "Darby origination"mess has been cast down a long time ago.
Pure lies.
Darby POULARIZED the solid undisputed pretrib rapture doctrine.
BTW the Catholics burned most of the protestant writings...AHEM and with them was the pretrib doctrine taught by believers.

So maybe you guys supernatural ignorance with catholic help, got you where you are today?????
Oh the irony