How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Ritajanice]

◄ John 3:5 ►

Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. New Living Translation Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

 

[Jim B]

I agree with you. I just didn't know how many people know that the salvation of any particular individual is a choice Jesus makes. If he doesn't want me in his kingdom, then I won't be there.

John 3:16-18, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.

“Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him are not condemned, but those who do not believe are condemned already because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

Clearly, it is up to each individual person who hears the gospel message to believe in Christ or not. Jesus wants everyone to be in His kingdom, but sadly, many people reject Him.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It's the same, actually, and you haven't come back to me-are you "redefying atonement/kapporet?"

I'm not so much redefining atonement as I am attempting to understand the Biblical use of the term. Perhaps I am wrong, but my mental image of "atonement" comes from the etymology of the word "at-one-ment" Atonement answers to the question, "what will it take to remove the hostility between God and man?

I am taking my cues from Romans 5 where Paul argues: "For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only this, but we also celebrate in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation."

If I understand correctly, the death of Jesus on the cross became the basis for our reconciliation. That is, we were once God's enemies. And the purpose of the cross was to restore friendly relations between God and man. Then having made peace with God, we shall be saved "by his life." That is, Jesus has not only been raised from the dead, he has also been raised up to heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father.

Why is this important? We'll for many reasons, but chief among them, as Paul argues in the book of Hebrews, Jesus "has become a priest not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life." Because Jesus lives forever, he will be alive at the end of history at the moment when he calls us all out of the grave.

 

[mailmandan]

The key, in what you just said, is the Spirit as a pledge. Very important and thanks for mentioning it.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. :)

A pledge or earnest deposit. In the NT it is used only of that which is assured by God to believers; of the Holy Spirit as the Divine "pledge" of all their future blessedness, particularly of their eternal inheritance.

2 Corinthians 1:21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Corinthians 5:5 - Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

 

[Ritajanice]

Titus 3:5-6

New Living Translation

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5 he saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit.[a] 6 He generously poured out the Spirit upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior.

 

[Jim B]

Yes of course. I agree.

Not yet, which is why the NT refers to it as a hope. Eternal life is actualized (or realized) when Jesus calls us to meet him in the air.

The key, in what you just said, is the Spirit as a pledge. Very important and thanks for mentioning it.

John 3:16,“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."

John 10:10b, " I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."

There is no future tense here.

 

[ChristisGod]

John 3:16,“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."

John 10:10b, " I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."

There is no future tense here.

There is past, present and future aspects with Eternal Life.

In Johns writing we read the following regarding Jesus. He was in the beginning with God(John 1:1,1 John 1:1-4) We also read that in Him was life, the very source of life (John 1:4)whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life(3:16) He who believes in the Son has eternal life(3:36) He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day(6:54)This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent(17:3)These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life(1 John 5:13).

Jesus is in fact Eternal Life. He who has the Son has the life and he who does not have the Son does not have the life. He is the true God and Eternal Life(1 John 1:1-4,5:20).

Eternal life is not just unending life. It is the life we now have in God through Jesus. John refers to Jesus Christ Himself as eternal life. It is life that comes from God. A person who has eternal life has God’s life within him.

It is obvious that eternal life doesn’t begin when we die. Jesus said, He who believes in Me has (present tense) everlasting life. He didn’t say that the one who believes in Him will have (future tense) everlasting life. He said that he has eternal life in the here and now from that very first moment of faith. Eternal life is unending life.

Jesus, Paul and John emphasize that eternal life is a present reality and the present possession of the Christian in the here and now. It will have its ultimate fulfillment in the future but every believer has eternal life at the moment they believe in the Son of God.

Jesus said I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. (John 10:28).That means nothing or no one can remove a believer from Christ.

Paul tells us in Ephesians 4:30 that believers are sealed for the day of redemption. If believers did not have salvation or eternal life/security then the sealing could not truly be until the day of redemption. Paul in Romans 8:38-39 really drives home the everlasting promise of eternal life/salvation for the believer "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Our eternal security is bought with the blood of Christ, promised to us by the Father Who cannot deny Himself and sealed in the believers heart by the Holy Spirit. What wonderful promises believers have for their eternal security in Christ.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Lizbeth]

לְדָוִ֗ד H1732 le·da·Vid, [A Psalm] of David מַ֫שְׂכִּ֥יל H4905 mas·Kil Maschil אַשְׁרֵ֥י H835 'ash·Rei Blessed נְֽשׂוּי־ H5375 ne·sui- [is] forgiven פֶּ֗שַׁע H6588 Pe·sha', [is he whose] transgression כְּס֣וּי H3680 ke·Sui [is] covered חֲטָאָֽה׃ H2401 cha·ta·'Ah. [whose] sin

Psa 32:2 Ashrei is the adam unto whom Hashem imputeth not avon (iniquity), and in whose ruach there is no remiyyah (guile, deceit).

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin, and whose mouth there is no guile.

You are correct--In the Old Testament the saint's sins were "covered" but they were saved-our sins have been completely taken away by the death and resurrection of our blessed Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
You can actually preach a sermon, based on this verse. I prefer "covered" as to exonerate, clemency--

Joh_1:47; 2Co_1:12; 1Pe_2:1-2; Rev_14:5--Now to look up the word "Guile" Lizbeth
In whose spirit there is no guile. In this clause the Psalmist distinguishes believers both from hypocrites and from senseless despisers of God, neither of whom care for this happiness, nor can they attain to the enjoyment of it. The wicked are, indeed, conscious to themselves of their guilt, but still they delight in their wickedness; harden themselves in their impudence, and laugh at threatenings; or, at least, they indulge themselves in deceitful flatteries, that they may not be constrained to come into the presence of God.

Yea, though they are rendered unhappy by a sense of their misery, and harassed with secret torments, yet with perverse forgetfulness they stifle all fear of God. As for hypocrites, if their conscience as any time stings them, they soothe their pain with ineffectual remedies: so that if God at any time cite them to his tribunal, they place before them I know not what phantoms for their defense; and they are never without coverings whereby they may keep the light out of their hearts.

Both these classes of men are hindered by inward guile from seeking their happiness in the fatherly love of God. Nay more, many of them rush frowardly into the presence of God, or puff themselves up with proud presumption, dreaming that they are happy, although God is against them.

David, therefore, means that no man can taste what the forgiveness of sins is until his heart is first cleansed from guile. What he means, then, by this term, guile, may be understood from what I have said. Whoever examines not himself, as in the presence of God, but, on the contrary, shunning his judgment, either shrouds himself in darkness, or covers himself with leaves, deals deceitfully both with himself and with God.

It is no wonder, therefore, that he who feels not his disease refuses the remedy. The two kinds of this guile which I have mentioned are to be particularly attended to. Few may be so hardened as not to be touched with the fear of God, and with some desire of his grace, and yet they are moved but coldly to seek forgiveness. Hence it comes to pass, that they do not yet perceive what an unspeakable happiness it is to possess God’s favor. Such was David’s case for a time, when a treacherous security stole upon him, darkened his mind, and prevented him from zealously applying himself to pursue after this happiness.

Often do the saints labor under the same disease. If, therefore, we would enjoy the happiness which David here proposes to us, we must take the greatest heed lest Satan, filling our hearts with guile, deprive us of all sense of our wretchedness, in which every one who has recourse to subterfuges must necessarily pine away.
You would not believe me if I told you who wrote this--that's IF you concur.


The Psalm begins with the celebration of the happiness of the man who experiences God's justifying grace, when he gives himself up unreservedly to Him. Sin is called פֶּשַׁע, as being a breaking loose or tearing away from God; חֲטָאָה, as a deviation from that which is well-pleasing to God; עָוֹן, as a perversion, distortion, misdeed. The forgiveness of sin is styled נָשָׂא (Exo_34:7),

as a lifting up and taking away, αἴρειν and ἀφαιρεῖν, Exo_34:7; כִּסָּה (Psa_85:3, Pro_10:12, Neh_4:5), as a covering, so that it becomes invisible to God, the Holy One, and is as though it had never taken place; לֹא חָשַׁב (2Sa_19:20, cf. Arab. ḥsb, to number, reckon, ου ̓ λογίζεσθαι, Rom_4:6-9), as a non-imputing; the δικαιοσύνη χωρὶς ἔργων is here distinctly expressed.

The justified one is called נְשׂוּי־פֶּשַׁע, as being one who is exempted from transgression, praevaricatione levatus (Ges. §135, 1); נְשׂוּי, instead of נְשֻׁא, Isa_33:24, is intended to rhyme with כְּסוּי (which is the part. to כִּסָּה, just as בָּרוּךְ is the participle to כְּרֵךְ); vid., on Isa_22:13.

One “covered of sin” is one over whose sin lies the covering of expiation (כִּפֶּר, root כף, to cover, cogn. Arab. gfr, chfr, chmr, gmr) before the holy eyes of God. The third designation is an attributive clause: “to whom Jahve doth not reckon misdeed,” inasmuch as He, on the contrary, regards it as discharged or as settled.

He who is thus justified, however, is only he in whose spirit there is no רְמִיָּה, no deceit, which denies and hides, or extenuates and excuses, this or that favourite sin. One such sin designedly retained is a secret ban, which stands in the way of justification.
keil & Delitzsch

kâsâh
BDB Definition:
1) to cover, conceal, hide
1a) (Qal) conceal, covered (participle)
1b) (Niphal) to be covered
1c) (Piel)
1c1) to cover, clothe
1c2) to cover, conceal
1c3) to cover (for protection)
1c4) to cover over, spread over
1c5) to cover, overwhelm
1d) (Pual)
1d1) to be covered
1d2) to be clothed
1e) (Hithpael) to cover oneself, clothe oneself
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root

Shalom sister
Later

Amen, no guile, meaning no pretense, but only honesty with ourselves and with God. Learning of a truth that "in me is no good thing." If we judge ourselves we will not be judged with the world. That is why the sinner who acknowledged his sinfulness was went away justified before God, but the Pharisee (if I remember correctly that he was a Pharisee) who was thankful that he wasn't like the sinner and wouldn't admit to any sinfulness, stood condemned.

Yes, this isn't a "comfortable" journey at all, and we mustn't expect it to be....we are going to feel wretched and in fear at different times and seasons, for our good. Blessed is the man whose heart is set on pilgrimage.

 

[Johann]

I believe a gospel that seeks proof in me with never letting up, always urging “not yet adopted” “but could be adopted” “that is what we want, for you to be adopted in” …really is meant to keep others with like-minded theology points in and you out. Where nothing will persuade but it will remain the same no matter what you say or provide…therefore you will always remain as not adopted yet but could be. Do you see the lie in that? Always the adoption in Christ …being a little beyond your reach. Like always chasing after something dangled in your face as wanting to give it unto you…but yanking it away when you come close…saying no not yet…you can be adopted in, I promise I want you to be. You can be too!

Beating your head against a wall giving every persuasive thing you can hold out, crying “can I now come in?” Met with never ending “Not yet, but you can.” …it is lie which keeps the Gospel in others grasps who think they can say when one has reached adoption into Christ, making the gospel with charge, charging others for it…which they yank away keeping out of your reach. “Nope. I can see in what you post. By your doctrine, you don’t know the secret code that lets you in.” “Please let me in..didn’t I tell you I have faith in Christ.” “Nope. You are not adopted yet but could be. You need to have Faith in Him like us. Then we will let you in and stop trying to convert you. You can join. Then we can move into perfection.” …”will it be soon I can be adopted” … “post something we approve of and like. Then you can come in.”

Listen @VictoryinJesus I battle as much as you are and can fully empathize with you. What you are struggling with, I struggle the same-have I ever speak to you as a "know it all?"
I don't know it all, I have a analytical, critical mindset, I see the Scriptures, parse every word, dissecting it, reading ancient rabbinical writings--reading extra-biblical resources--but I'm nowhere near the giants, I still struggle with sin and my mind is wandering.
I asked you one question--do you believe Epi is promulgating the truth, as written in Scriptures?
Based on how you are going to answer, I'll take it from there-IF you are going to answer me at all.

Stay strong, I'm not your enemy.
J.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Something maybe to keep in mind, "he is faithful and just to forgive our sins", how is it that God is just to forgive our sins? If they are in fact paid for, and if that forgiveness is stipulated by Him to be available.

God in Christ reconciled the world to Himself, now we urge you, be reconciled to God. We are already reconciled on God's side of things because of the Lamb of God, Who carried away the sin of the world. But we must receive that reconciliation.

Much love!

I agree, we need to accept that reconciliation, i.e. we need to be reconciled to God.

Let me share an idea that isn't well known among Christians today. Christians properly understand God's forgiveness in the following sense. Forgiveness of sins is nothing more and nothing less than overlooking our sins. When God forgives our sins, he decides to not hold our sins against us.

But, many Christians forget or don't know that our very existence itself offends God. Not only do we commit acts of sin, but we are the kinds of people who want to commit them. I commit acts of sin because I am a sinner. For this reason, not only am I condemned for what I do; I am condemned for who I am.

Mercy involves much more than the expiation of sins; the profundity of mercy is realized at the core of our being. By God's mercy, not only will we find pardon, we will find salvation, i.e. a fundamental transformation of our existence, which solves our fundamental problem with evil. As John says, "when we see him, we will be like him."

Right?

 

[Johann]

Amen, no guile, meaning no pretense, but only honesty with ourselves and with God. Learning of a truth that "in me is no good thing." If we judge ourselves we will not be judged with the world. That is why the sinner who acknowledged his sinfulness was went away justified before God, but the Pharisee (if I remember correctly that he was a Pharisee) who was thankful that he wasn't like the sinner and wouldn't admit to any sinfulness, stood condemned.

Yes, this isn't a "comfortable" journey at all, and we mustn't expect it to be....we are going to feel wretched and in fear at different times and seasons, for our good. Blessed is the man whose heart is set on pilgrimage.

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

I'm glad you have mentioned this is not a "comfortable journey"--it is full of obstacles and impediments for the pilgrim and we need to count the cost BEFORE anything else-Pilgrims Progress is a wonderful, classic book.
Later
Johann.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The doctrine of election?

Yes. I believe so. Being born again is a choice the Father makes. John 3:8

 

[CadyandZoe]

Goes contrary to this--that you may KNOW--Verb - Perfect Subjunctive Active - 2nd Person Plural--this, my friend, is a PRESENT reality and not to await the Parousia. That's if you understand the Morphology, the Perfect Active--

1Jn_5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

That ye may know (hina eidēte). Purpose clause with hina and the second perfect active subjunctive of oida, to know with settled intuitive knowledge. He wishes them to have eternal life in Christ (Joh_20:31) and to know that they have it, but not with flippant superficiality (1Jn_2:3.).
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Notice the Subjunctive--


That ye may believe (hina pisteuēte). Purpose with hina and the present active subjunctive of pisteuō, “that you may keep on believing.”

The book has had precisely this effect of continuous and successive confirmation of faith in Jesus Christ through the ages.
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (Iēsous estin ho Christos ho huios tou theou). The man named Jesus is identical with the Messiah (the Anointed One) as opposed to the Cerinthian separation of the Jesus of history and the Christ (aeon) of theology. And the Docetic notion of a phantom body for Jesus with no actual human body is also false. Jesus is the Son of God with all that this high term implies, the Logos of John 1:1-18 (the Prologue). “Very God of very God,” Incarnate Revealer of God. But there is a further purpose.

And that believing ye may have life in his name (kai hina pisteuontes zōēn echēte en tōi onomati autou). Note present participle pisteuontes (continuing to believe) and the present active subjunctive echēte (keep on having). “Life” (zōēn) is eternal life so often mentioned in this Gospel, life to be found only in the name (and power) of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

This verse constitutes a fitting close for this wonderful book and John may at first have intended to stop here. But before he published the work he added the Epilogue (Chapter XXI) which is written in the same style and gives a beautiful picture of the Risen Christ with a sidelight on John and Peter (restored to fellowship).
Robertson.

Later
J.

I see 1John 5:13 a bit differently. His point about eternal life hinges on the beginning of his sentence where he speaks about "these things which I have written to you." I don't John is saying, "you have eternal life". I think John is saying, "you have a true and reliable teaching which leads to eternal life if one should believe it and trust in it.

 

[Lizbeth]

Many here have learned to have theoretical beliefs. They have been taught...indoctrinated, into believing certain things..and what made that attractive to them was the perceived benefit to themselves...a selfish motivation.

These will deny this...to their own detriment.

But ALL selfish motivation will be exposed and expunged from the house of God. Judgment is coming. God is selfless...and those who will remain with Him have learned also to be as He is...selfless.

Now when religious theorists hear the truth...an actual living testimony of truth...the carnal and selfish nature of their beliefs are immediately exposed. They can't help it but to attack, denigrate and vilify the one who brings truth. From Jesus all the way to the lowest saint...all will be rejected. Why? Because reality clashes with their ideology based on theory.

It must be so.

When the truth is spoken through testimony...there is a fear that grips the ears of the indoctrinated. There is a perceived threat. Such was the reaction of Cain to the acceptance of Abel in REAL TIME.

The outer man always persecutes, controls, reduces, the weakness of the inner man. Beliefs and theories come from the outer man. But only the inner man can have faith to stand against the outer man and the wiles of the devil that control the outer man.

It takes some discernment to see how this works...discernment, not fear, not reactionary impulses based on a perceived threat. Imagine if people loved the truth instead of hating it. Imagine where God was pleased to bestow His presence on those gathered in His name.

As long as people remain self-interested and selfish...God will resist them. And in so doing they will NOT experience the Lord in a real way. So they will take that to mean that there is no reality, truth, spiritual gifts, presence, translation into Zion...they will remain in unbelief.

Faith is much more than theoretical. Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things NOT SEEN and the EVIDENCE of things HOPED FOR. The things written for example, by Paul in Romans about imputation etc, are all TRUE from the beginning of our faith, but it begins in seed form we might say, in all of us who are not yet matured in the beginning since we are born again as babes. We need to grow up into what we have received. Agrees with the parable of the farmer sowing seeds as well. Maturing is HOW we prepare for the bridegroom, how we are making ourselves ready for the marriage feast. Being no more children and carnal babes, but full grown ("you who are spiritual") and ready for union with our heavenly Husband in order to produce FRUIT for Him.

 

[Johann]

I agree, we need to accept that reconciliation, i.e. we need to be reconciled to God.

Let me share an idea that isn't well known among Christians today. Christians properly understand God's forgiveness in the following sense. Forgiveness of sins is nothing more and nothing less than overlooking our sins. When God forgives our sins, he decides to not hold our sins against us.

But, many Christians forget or don't know that our very existence itself offends God. Not only do we commit acts of sin, but we are the kinds of people who want to commit them. I commit acts of sin because I am a sinner. For this reason, not only am I condemned for what I do; I am condemned for who I am.

Mercy involves much more than the expiation of sins; the profundity of mercy is realized at the core of our being. By God's mercy, not only will we find pardon, we will find salvation, i.e. a fundamental transformation of our existence, which solves our fundamental problem with evil. As John says, "when we see him, we will be like him."

Right?

Just one question brother--do you hold to Reformed doctrines-Total Depravity?

I won't be offended if your answer is in the affirmative-but I have showed you-clearly and irrevocably, that eternal life is a present reality for the saints-Perfect Tense.

 

[CadyandZoe]

John 3:16-18, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.

“Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him are not condemned, but those who do not believe are condemned already because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

Clearly, it is up to each individual person who hears the gospel message to believe in Christ or not. Jesus wants everyone to be in His kingdom, but sadly, many people reject Him.

But logically? If Jesus wanted everyone to be in his kingdom, he would not place conditions on it would he? I mean, I think we are on the same page because, as you say, many people reject him.

Or were you speaking of what Jesus desires? If that is what you meant then I agree. I think Jesus would desire that all people everywhere would accept him.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Listen @VictoryinJesus I battle as much as you are and can fully empathize with you. What you are struggling with, I struggle the same-have I ever speak to you as a "know it all?"
I don't know it all, I have a analytical, critical mindset, I see the Scriptures, parse every word, dissecting it, reading ancient rabbinical writings--reading extra-biblical resources--but I'm nowhere near the giants, I still struggle with sin and my mind is wandering.

What I want you to know is that He loves and accepts you, the small child keep hidden out of fear it won’t be accepted. No hoops to jump through. No status to achieve. It not being how much success, money or titles you hold. What languages you know or what theology you’ve learned. None of that matters because what the world loves about you which can always fail.. He loves that child within and is after him.

I asked you one question--do you believe Epi is promulgating the truth, as written in Scriptures?
Based on how you are going to answer, I'll take it from there-IF you are going to answer me at all.

I see epi as encouraging the inner child and not the religious outer falsehood that wants to destroy a child. Can I be wrong? Absolutely. but it sure appears that way to me in light of the opposition that opposes it, in return opposing its own body.

 

[CadyandZoe]

John 3:16,“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."

John 10:10b, " I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."

There is no future tense here.

Okay, again this might be a case of semantics, but I am taking my cues from Paul's first epistle to the Corinthians where he said,

1Corinthians 15:50-57

Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I am telling you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable puts on the imperishable, and this mortal puts on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written: “Death has been swallowed up in victory. Where, O Death, is your victory? Where, O Death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law; but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.​

In my mind, Paul is describing the very moment when our salvation is being actualized or realized. There will come a moment when we are all changed. There will come a moment, sometime in our future, when the dead will be raised imperishable. That's what I meant.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Johann]

I see 1John 5:13 a bit differently. His point about eternal life hinges on the beginning of his sentence where he speaks about "these things which I have written to you." I don't John is saying, "you have eternal life". I think John is saying, "you have a true and reliable teaching which leads to eternal life if one should believe it and trust in it.

Is that what John is saying?

Not being flippant or facetious, but we need to be careful of redefining almost everything that stands written-with "I think-" John is saying-
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him

. These things I wrote to you who have emunah b'Shem HaBen HaElohim, that you vada (with certainty) may have da'as that you have Chayyei Olam. [Yn 20:31]

ταυτα εγραψα υμιν τοις πιστευουσιν εις το ονομα του υιου του θεου ινα ειδητε οτι ζωην εχετε αιωνιον και ινα πιστευητε εις το ονομα του υιου του θεου

1Jn 5:13
These thingsG3778 DPro-ANP Tauta Ταῦτα have I writtenG1125 G5656 V-AIA-1S egrapsa ἔγραψα to youG4771 PPro-D2P hymin ὑμῖν so thatG2443 Conj hina ἵνα you may knowG1492 G5762 V-RSA-2P eidēte εἰδῆτε thatG3754 Conj hoti ὅτι lifeG2222 N-AFS zōēn ζωὴν N1 you haveG2192 G5719 V-PIA-2P echete ἔχετε eternal,

This portion says the opposite to what "you think John is saying" @CadyandZoe but I'm not here to be argumentative.

Later
J.

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes. I believe so. Being born again is a choice the Father makes. John 3:8

God gives the new birth after we believe and not prior . We believe and receive Christ ( John 1:12) and God gives us the new birth / born again by His Spirit ( John 1:13). And faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of Christ ( Roman’s 10:17) born again by the gospel the word of God ( 1 Peter 1:22-25).

hope this helps !!!