How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Eternally Grateful]

A shallow understanding will see the word "believe not" to mean not accepting a religious belief that a person thinks will save them.

but that is only a carnal religious understanding.

What the verse is saying is that we come into the life and light of God by faith. By faith we enter into His presence...His light...and are empowered to walk as Jesus walked. By faith we are translated into the higher walk of the kingdom...full of love, joy, peace....but also dead to ourselves so that God might walk IN us and us in Him.

The crows here know nothing of the higher walk. They are mockers...all. Christ for these is a story-book character they are told they have to believe in for self-preservation. And worse yet, these carnal people like wild beasts can't help but be inspired by the spirit of Cain and Korah. Their unbelief is turned into evil in the face of the testimony of Christ according to the truth.

But he who wants to save his life will lose it. God is selfless...and He resists the proud and selfish.

This is a wisdom beyond the outer reaches of the outer man.

He who believes is not condemned. He who believes not is condemned already

That’s reality

Repent

 

[mailmandan]

A shallow understanding will see the word "believe not" to mean not accepting a religious belief that a person thinks will save them.

but that is only a carnal religious understanding.

What the verse is saying is that we come into the life and light of God by faith. By faith we enter into His presence...His light...and are empowered to walk as Jesus walked. By faith we are translated into the higher walk of the kingdom...full of love, joy, peace....but also dead to ourselves so that God might walk IN us and us in Him.

The crows here know nothing of the higher walk. They are mockers...all. Christ for these is a story-book character they are told they have to believe in for self-preservation. And worse yet, these carnal people like wild beasts can't help but be inspired by the spirit of Cain and Korah. Their unbelief is turned into evil in the face of the testimony of Christ according to the truth.

But he who wants to save his life will lose it. God is selfless...and He resists the proud and selfish.

This is a wisdom beyond the outer reaches of the outer man.

To "believe not" means that you don't believe in/have faith in/ trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation. Your belief/faith is in SELF righteousness and SELF preservation. You are a SELF PROMOTER who is not fooling me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ on this board for one second with your eisegesis and psycho babble.

 

[Episkopos]

You reject the cross you reject christ

That’s not theoretical. He came to save you not make it so you can save yourself

You are doing the backward thing as usual. You are trying to save yourself by your beliefs. You actually believe that your religious opinions save you. That's amazingly deluded. God doesn't need your beliefs...or your claims. They are as futile as the demons believing.

The cross rejection comes from you. You can point to it to make yourself feel justified in doing so. But you can't GO to the cross. You can't give anything up. You see that as works.

I know the power of the cross. All the hypocrites here can say things all day that really apply to themselves. But my testimony is solid...eternally so...since God is behind it.

What is behind your name it claim it religion of men is indoctrination and self-righteousness based on accepting a religious scheme concocted by men. Many here don't even realize that their beliefs were formulated by a crazed monk named Luther.

 

[Behold]

A shallow understanding will see the word "believe not" to mean not accepting a religious belief that a person thinks will save them.

You're Still teaching/proving that you dont believe the Gospel, by denigrating it in public as a 'religious belief".

The Devil's owned always see the preaching of the Cross exactly as you just described it.

1 Corinthians 1:18

 

[ChristisGod]

Your superficial religious understanding aside...you need to stop pointing fingers...stop accusing... ...stop posturing...stop grandstanding...and go be WITH Christ. You may like to have a"marveloustime" while you are in the flesh....but judgment is coming. Repent, stop pontificating and go to the cross.
You are walking on a path of delusion and false assurance.

Repent.

pot calling kettle.

please show everyone how its done.

set the tone

lead by example

you start first and maybe others will follow

don't ask someone to do something you are not willing to do yourself

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

You are doing the backward thing as usual. You are trying to save yourself by your beliefs. You actually believe that your religious opinions save you. That's amazingly deluded. God doesn't need your beliefs...or your claims. They are as futile as the demons believing.

The cross rejection comes from you. You can point to it to make yourself feel justified in doing so. But you can't GO to the cross. You can't give anything up. You see that as works.

I know the power of the cross. All the hypocrites here can say things all day that really apply to themselves. But my testimony is solid...eternally so...since God is behind it.

What is behind your name it claim it religion of men is indoctrination and self-righteousness based on accepting a religious scheme concocted by men. Many here don't even realize that their beliefs were formulated by a crazed monk named Luther.

how were you "saved" ?

are you " saved" ?

what evidence is there you are "saved" ?

why were you "saved" ?

what were your beliefs when you were first " saved " ?

who "saved" you ? Buddha, Confucius, Mohammad, Allah , Krishna, Tammuz, Prometheus, Zoroaster, Baal

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

You're Still teaching/proving that you dont believe the Gospel, by denigrating it in public as a 'religious belief".

The Devil's owned always see the preaching of the Cross exactly as you just described it.

1 Corinthians 1:18

yes definitely not a heavenly/spiritual/biblical understanding.

 

[ChristisGod]

You are doing the backward thing as usual. You are trying to save yourself by your beliefs. You actually believe that your religious opinions save you. That's amazingly deluded. God doesn't need your beliefs...or your claims. They are as futile as the demons believing.

The cross rejection comes from you. You can point to it to make yourself feel justified in doing so. But you can't GO to the cross. You can't give anything up. You see that as works.

I know the power of the cross. All the hypocrites here can say things all day that really apply to themselves. But my testimony is solid...eternally so...since God is behind it.

What is behind your name it claim it religion of men is indoctrination and self-righteousness based on accepting a religious scheme concocted by men. Many here don't even realize that their beliefs were formulated by a crazed monk named Luther.

there you go back to the cross where there is no power. no wonder you cannot be saved since you deny the gospel and the resurrection.

you must wear a cross around your neck as your power.

 

[Episkopos]

pot calling kettle.

please show everyone how its done.

set the tone

lead by example

you start first and maybe others will follow

don't ask someone to do something you are not willing to do yourself

hope this helps !!!

I set the tone in the OP. The tone then shifted towards the superficial and virtue-signalling of the flesh in a selfish panic..in a carnally religious fear. At that point the outer man looks for support...forming a kind of "sanhedrin" against anything and anyone that threatens their false justification. Wolves attack in packs.

If people need to expose their carnal nature...that's on them. The question was...how far can we go in reckoning ourselves to be dead to sin. Among the crows are those who don't believe it's possible for God to empower people above sin, period. Such are in unbelief. And then there are the pretenders who believe that by just reading certain verses "harder" they will grow into perfection that way.

Both schemes are ludicrous and resist the available grace to overcome as Jesus overcame. The cost is too high for these. So they dissimulate and pretend the truth is not the truth....to their own condemnation.

See how carnal religious beliefs actually get in the way of a genuine faith...or not...and remain blind to it.

Victory in Jesus came to you in humility from the inner man...and she got accused of just being a cult follower. I know better than your pretend humility. I see that you will resist the truth no matter how its presented. Even if one of your fellow crows was to die and come back to warn you...you would just say he/she was now just a cult follower and didn't die at all.

 

[ChristisGod]

I set the tone in the OP. The tone then shifted towards the superficial and virtue-signalling of the flesh in a selfish panic..in a carnally religious fear. At that point the outer man looks for support...forming a kind of "sanhedrin" against anything and anyone that threatens their false justification. Wolves attack in packs.

If people need to expose their carnal nature...that's on them. The question was...how far can we go in reckoning ourselves to be dead to sin. Among the crows are those who don't believe it's possible for God to empower people above sin, period. Such are in unbelief. And then there are the pretenders who believe that by just reading certain verses "harder" they will grow into perfection that way.

Both schemes are ludicrous and resist the available grace to overcome as Jesus overcame. The cost is too high for these. So they dissimulate and pretend the truth is not the truth....to their own condemnation.

See how carnal religious beliefs actually get in the way of a genuine faith...or remain blind to it.

You set the tone for the flesh not the spirit since all your posts are about belittling others , making fun of them , tearing them down and exacting self- pride, ego , self righteousness , Pharisaism , hypocrisy etc…. That is what is coming across, not godliness , humility , walking in the spirit etc …

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are doing the backward thing as usual. You are trying to save yourself by your beliefs. You actually believe that your religious opinions save you. That's amazingly deluded. God doesn't need your beliefs...or your claims. They are as futile as the demons believing.

The cross rejection comes from you. You can point to it to make yourself feel justified in doing so. But you can't GO to the cross. You can't give anything up. You see that as works.

I know the power of the cross. All the hypocrites here can say things all day that really apply to themselves. But my testimony is solid...eternally so...since God is behind it.

What is behind your name it claim it religion of men is indoctrination and self-righteousness based on accepting a religious scheme concocted by men. Many here don't even realize that their beliefs were formulated by a crazed monk named Luther.

Actually I believe and trust in the promises of God

I believe when he says we have been justified we are

when he says we have eternal life we do

When he says we have been changed we are

When he says we can walk like him we do

You do not even walk like him, more do your followers. Yet you say we are decieved..

Actions speak louder than words my friend

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I set the tone in the OP. The tone then shifted towards the superficial and virtue-signalling of the flesh in a selfish panic..in a carnally religious fear. At that point the outer man looks for support...forming a kind of "sanhedrin" against anything and anyone that threatens their false justification. Wolves attack in packs.

If people need to expose their carnal nature...that's on them. The question was...how far can we go in reckoning ourselves to be dead to sin. Among the crows are those who don't believe it's possible for God to empower people above sin, period. Such are in unbelief. And then there are the pretenders who believe that by just reading certain verses "harder" they will grow into perfection that way.

Both schemes are ludicrous and resist the available grace to overcome as Jesus overcame. The cost is too high for these. So they dissimulate and pretend the truth is not the truth....to their own condemnation.

See how carnal religious beliefs actually get in the way of a genuine faith...or not...and remain blind to it.

How far can we go?

The word says we are dead to sin.

You either believe it because you were crucified wiht christ

or you do not believe and you are still tryign to achieve it..

 

[ChristisGod]

Actually I believe and trust in the promises of God

I believe when he says we have been justified we are

when he says we have eternal life we do

When he says we have been changed we are

When he says we can walk like him we do

You do not even walk like him, more do your followers. Yet you say we are decieved..

Actions speak louder than words my friend

A biblical / spiritual response !!!

 

[Episkopos]

You set the tone for the flesh not the spirit since all your posts are about belittling others , making fun of them , tearing them down and exacting self- pride, ego , self righteousness , Pharisaism , hypocrisy etc…. That is what is coming across, not godliness , humility , walking in the spirit etc …

I use many different tools to get the truth across. Remember, this is a public forum. Each crow thinks its all about him/her. So they will take it personally. I don't take any attacks on me personally. I expect snakes to bite and dogs to bark. But I write for the benefit of all the inner men here...to encourage them to be strong in the face of religious persecution and slander. To stand up to the reactionary outer man..and come to God's attention...to be given grace to strengthen the weakness of the flesh.

So I am like the tip of the spear in penetrating the false religious presumptions that are taught as doctrines in the modern churches. I make a way for others to follow through with faith from the inner man. All this you have no understanding of..while you defend your religious indoctrination.

If you want to learn something...why do you let your defense mechanism attack and destroy what is meant to save your soul???

I'm torn between letting you get what you deserve...or keep trying to point you and others in the right direction.

 

[Episkopos]

How far can we go?

The word says we are dead to sin.

Who's we? The word speaks to you to repent...not name it claim it to puff up your outer man religious ego.

You either believe it because you were crucified wiht christ

All make believe. You are playing in puddles rather than embarking on a deep-sea spiritual voyage. God does NOT support make-believe. You have no understanding of the biblical text...beyond a religious put-on facade.

And I'm saying this to discourage people from doing as these people are doing.

or you do not believe and you are still tryign to achieve it..

We are to strive to enter in through the narrow gate. You are living in the futility of your mind thinking you can't translate yourself into heaven. But where is the faith in God? Non-existent.

 

[Episkopos]

Actually I believe and trust in the promises of God

I believe when he says we have been justified we are

when he says we have eternal life we do

When he says we have been changed we are

When he says we can walk like him we do

You do not even walk like him, more do your followers. Yet you say we are decieved..

Actions speak louder than words my friend

All based on religious assumptions and presumptions. Only indoctrinated brain-washed people assume the bible is always speaking in glowing terms about their ego.

 

[ChristisGod]

I use many different tools to get the truth across. Remember, this is a public forum. Each crow thinks its all about him/her. So they will take it personally. I don't take any attacks on me personally. I expect snakes to bite and dogs to bark. But I write for the benefit of all the inner men here...to encourage them to be strong in the face of religious persecution and slander. To stand up to the reactionary outer man..and come to God's attention...to be given grace to strengthen the weakness of the flesh.

So I am like the tip of the spear in penetrating the false religious presumptions that are taught as doctrines in the modern churches. I make a way for others to follow through with faith from the inner man. All this you have no understanding of..while you defend your religious indoctrination.

If you want to learn something...why do you let your defense mechanism attack and destroy what is meant to save your soul???

I'm torn between letting you get what you deserve...or keep trying to point you and others in the right direction.

What makes you think that you are pointing us in the right direction ?

What if God is using all of us to point you in the right direction ?

Have you ever considered that as a possibility ?

If not why not ?

pride maybe, your ego, lack of humility of mind ?

hope this helps !!!

 

[Behold]

We are to strive to enter in through the narrow gate.

Your Legalism is shining again, Episkopos
IT can't save you.


So. listen...

The born again have already """entered."""

"In Christ"
"one with God"
"Made Righteous"

"heir of God"
"The Temple of the Holy Spirit"
"join Heir with Jesus"
"Son/Daughter of God"

 

[VictoryinJesus]

A shallow understanding will see the word "believe not" to mean not accepting a religious belief that a person thinks will save them.

but that is only a carnal religious understanding.

What the verse is saying is that we come into the life and light of God by faith. By faith we enter into His presence...His light...and are empowered to walk as Jesus walked. By faith we are translated into the higher walk of the kingdom...full of love, joy, peace....but also dead to ourselves so that God might walk IN us and us in Him.

The crows here know nothing of the higher walk. They are mockers...all. Christ for these is a story-book character they are told they have to believe in for self-preservation. And worse yet, these carnal people like wild beasts can't help but be inspired by the spirit of Cain and Korah. Their unbelief is turned into evil in the face of the testimony of Christ according to the truth.

But he who wants to save his life will lose it. God is selfless...and He resists the proud and selfish.

This is a wisdom beyond the outer reaches of the outer man.

I still go back to when Paul stood before them and they’re wanting proof Christ speaks in him. Because from where they stood he was a reprobate in their eyes. Not yet a brother. But an outsider to them. As one who is without. Is this not what they are saying in you are a reprobate? What is hidden? They claim brothers to Christ…yet they don’t see what is hidden from them …Christ in Paul.


They being the ones thinking they are in the right. While not seeing the gospel in Paul….held out to them. It being hid from their eyes. It stands out to me Paul could see it by Faith in them. “Until Christ be formed in you” and this Paul seeks by Faith in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:19-20 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation. [20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

To me this is exactly what Paul does in that passage of being blamed as being one hidden in darkness. Committing the word of reconciliation….as an ambassador for Christ, God beseeching unto them …their blinded by the god of this world that they don’t see what they refuse see in Paul (on the verge of turning away from the gospel) which is Christ (a Light shining unto those sitting in darkness) speaks through Paul.

But they couldn’t see Christ in Paul otherwise they wouldn’t have called him a reprobate; therefore calling Christ in Paul the reprobate. instead considering him no brother, no brethren, it hidden from their sight and Paul as one they had help out of the darkness of being reprobate.

To me what is there in the exchange is …they don’t see Paul as a brother while Paul isn’t saying the gospel is loving you in your sins but instead prayer a light (which Paul does pray) shines and they see, more than hoping, having Faith in the light of Christ speaking in Paul to shine unto the darkness of their hearts not seeing what is hidden from them, which is Paul (Christ in him) is not as one who fails.

To me that is hopeful. Hopeful by Faith in Christ …that what is hidden be seen, made manifest which is Christ. To me it still speaks of brothers who can’t see they are brothers in Christ. That being the gospel hidden that the god of this world does not want to be seen. That the light may shine in the knowledge of Christ and God be glorified is reconciliation and restoration of what the god of this world is hell-bent on destroying “that they be One as we are One.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Who's we? The word speaks to you to repent...not name it claim it to puff up your outer man religious ego.

We are those who have been born again. Those who in FAITH recieved Christ. Not those who just say some sinners prayer. Those who TRUST him because they have truly repented.

All make believe. You are playing in puddles rather than embarking on a deep-sea spiritual voyage. God does NOT support make-believe. You have no understanding of the biblical text...beyond a religious put-on facade.

Yet you’re the one who is make believe. You do not even live out your faith. And the people who follow you admit they have never walked int he spirit.

Thats make believe my friend.

And I'm saying this to discourage people from doing as these people are doing.

You need to repent and stop doing what yoru doing and come to a true living faith that truly changes lives. Not the wish washy faith you are proclaiming

We are to strive to enter in through the narrow gate. You are living in the futility of your mind thinking you can't translate yourself into heaven. But where is the faith in God? Non-existent.

So why are you trying to enter through the wide gate like so many others. Who think they too can earn Gods love and salvation?