How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[ChristisGod]

its sad. They also claim they have never walked in the spirit.

what religion is there that teaches those who are gods children can become one without being born again, and they never walk int he spirit?

a religion of the flesh like the pharisees had in the N.T.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

a religion of the flesh like the pharisees had in the N.T.

thats why it is so dangerous.. I also believe thats why he keeps calling us those things. to deflect what he himself is doing..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No new birth, no new life, no salvation, no eternal life, no forgiveness of sins.

= no power

 

[Johann]

what religion is there that teaches those who are gods children can become one without being born again, and they never walk int he spirit?

This sounds like "New Age" kind of thing--especially when @Waiting on him said he is NOT sure he is born again-"but I do believe I have the Holy Spirit"-and Epi, not correcting, but actually encouraged his disciple, IN his state of deadness!
Shocking.
J.

 

[Johann]

its sad. They also claim they have never walked in the spirit.

what religion is there that teaches those who are gods children can become one without being born again, and they never walk int he spirit?

Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Personally, I think Epi started his own religion.

 

[Johann]

= no power

-no Christ

 

[ChristisGod]

= no power

Amen as scripture declares the gospel is the power of God unto salvation Romans 1:16 and it’s the believing in the gospel that causes the new birth in us 1 Peter 1:23-25. The man denies the gospel , new birth, scripture and Jesus.

 

[Johann]

Amen as scripture declares the gospel is the power of God unto salvation Romans 1:16 and it’s the believing in the gospel that causes the new birth in us 1 Peter 1:23-25. The man denies the gospel , new birth, scripture and Jesus.

And blatantly so, for all to read.

 

[Lizbeth]

I don't see any mention of hell in anything concerning being born again or not. I think the hell comes from the religious minds who interpret the bible falsely. ....and to their own advantage.

Wow. Jesus is the one who said to fear He who can destroy both body and soul in hell. Is there another alternative between the lake of fire and eternal life? I don't see any in scripture. Either wrath or not appointed to wrath....is there something in between?? Either death or life...what else is there?

 

[Lizbeth]

I just can’t see Jesus murdering anyone

That accuses God of unrighteousness. His judgment is righteous and JUST. Not murder. Murder concerns killing the innocent, not exacting justice of the guilty.

 

[Lizbeth]

The imagination is very active with these. But pretending has no effect on reality. Not even if it is religious in nature.

Not imagination.....simply God's word.

 

[ChristisGod]

And blatantly so, for all to read.

its public knowledge here now and there is no escaping what has been said and declared. its why there is a severe warning that not many should become teachers or take upon that role especially when is done by self and not through the Holy Spirit confirming the gift through the body of Christ watching it at work though believers confirming the gift in another. It will sound like a broken record but there are no lone rangers appointed by God- God appoints people to build up the body, to encourage others in their walk using the Scriptures as their sole guide for truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That accuses God of unrighteousness. His judgment is righteous and JUST. Not murder. Murder concerns killing the innocent, not exacting justice of the guilty.

Its not murder, its justice.. they do not get that the penalty of sin is a judicial act. to proclaim guilt..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not imagination.....simply God's word.

His imagination is his gospel..

 

[ChristisGod]

That accuses God of unrighteousness. His judgment is righteous and JUST. Not murder. Murder concerns killing the innocent, not exacting justice of the guilty.

yes notice the conflating of murder with sin that causes death. sinners are not innocent they are guilty and death is the consequence of sin. they are arguing a strawman.

 

[ChristisGod]

Not imagination.....simply God's word.

Amen the deceiver has no authority and cannot refute the truth in Gods word. We expose his deception as per 2 Cor 10. His schemes are obvious. The devils tactics are predictable.

For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 6 And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

yes notice the conflating of murder with sin that causes death. sinners are not innocent they are guilty and death is the consequence of sin. they are arguing a strawman.

when you do not want to face your guilt. that's what you get.. You ignore it. and you do everything in your power to ignore what is real about your sin and the result

 

[Johann]

Eternal life has always been by faith. That is what the scriptures teach. The old testament saints who "without us would not be made perfect"...all had faith. As apart from those who didn't have a living relationship with God by faith, but who nevertheless kept the Law. If we learn anything from the Old Testament at all it is that keeping the Laws of God resulted in blessings in THIS life, which are only reflective of the spiritual blessings to come with the New Covenant ( which include eternal life). That's why Isaiah cried out that though the number of the Israelites be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant would be saved. Saved because they had FAITH, not because of Law keeping apart from faith.

This might be a bit controversial, just putting it out there, but I have wondered about the possibility that what we are calling born again is on one level a conception...like Mary of who it was said, "that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit". We have eternal life, but Christ in us needs to be born....to be made manifest, to be fully revealed. I believe that is what we are aiming for even if it doesn't manifest in this life. When Jesus comes He will be revealed IN His saints. I think there are kind of two levels of truth here, with being born again, if only I could explain it properly. I struggle to understand if this is possible in this life, or must wait for the return of Christ....whether there is the possibility of a personal level of Christ returning, as well as corporate historical. Or if that is just our hope....and the bible says who already has what he hopes for?

There is a reference in Hosea:

Hos 9:11
As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception.

I struggle to understand what you are saying-

Verse 11 recounts a curse upon the children of Israel. The name Ephraim means "fruitfulness", but because of her debauching, degrading, idolatrous sexual orgies, God sent sterility among the Ephraimites, so that children which were considered a glory to their parents, would cease to be born among those who had engaged in the shameful pursuit of idolatry, Gen_41:52.

Like a bird that is here one moment, and flown away the next, conceptions and many births would cease among the tribe of Ephraim, and in Israel.

Verse 12 continues to announce their judgment. Though they bare children, God would "bereave them" take them from man in death, while they were yet young, Job_27:14. Let it be noted that God's withdrawn mercy comes to be a source of evil judgment, 1Sa_4:21; 1Sa_28:15-16. When the care of God departs from one's physical life, it is serious, but when His Spirit departs from striving with ones soul, it is an eternal tragedy, beyond description. His spirit does not always bear and plead with erring men, Gen_6:5; Pro_29:1; Heb_4:7. How awful, how tragic, how forlorn it is when God has departed from a person or a family and Ichabod may be written over their door. Only those hardened in their wickedness would have God depart from them, Deu_31:17; Mat_8:34.

..and don't understand how you connect the new birth with this portion of Scripture you quoted.
Maybe I'm tired and don't want to assume things.
J.

 

[ChristisGod]

The imagination is very active with these. But pretending has no effect on reality. Not even if it is religious in nature.

yes it is since you have no scripture to support your claims and only your imagination, ideas, false concepts.

See Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

 

[Lizbeth]

If someone says....unless you put on your glasses...you cannot read the paper. Does that mean that if you forgot your glasses..you are going to hell? Or you are not "saved" ????

Here again you prefer your own faulty reasonings over God's word. Didn't God say He has mercy on who He has mercy? And that some are vessels of wrath and others vessels of mercy. There is no question of anybody "forgetting" their glasses here, it 's a question of who God grants those glasses to or not. Based I believe on His foreknowledge. And who oh man are we to question Him? There is the idea there that He has created and chosen different vessels for different purposes, though we hope and pray and intercede for the best outcome for every soul, since it isn't for us to assume or second guess the Lord.