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Let's look at the different types of ad hominem arguments you might find.
Let's look at the different types of ad hominem arguments you might find.
What you say makes no sense to me.
If we love the Lord we are on the Way to where He is, which is the narrow Way of the cross.
“If ANY man shall be burned, he will suffer loss: but he himself will be saved; yet so by fire.”
That is not what that verse says. It is "If any man's WORKS... Big difference.
Paul gave a list of his “man’s works”
Sorry but you are thoroughly confused about this. You are making a mishmash out of different Scriptures.
Come on @Enoch111. you really do not like it. At all. Because that would change a lot of what you believe about the end. all the man-made doctrines would fail right in front of your eyes. For the gain of the Doctrine Christ spoke of as being His Fathers’ Doctrine…not of men. I can relate because I have been there. Watching it all..what men had told me unravel and fall. It left me feeling like if the lie was gone, what would be left? What you have been told of who is the one that suffers the loss of all things; yet saved by the baptism of Christ.
You can’t give that gift to anyone only God can. We can share our testimony and the gospel but the gift can only come from God
Um no. You can’t turn from your old ways until you first have been born if the spirit and recieved the Holy Spirit. Repent means you have changed your mind about God and self. And acknowledged you are without hope. And revive gods gift. He died while we were his enemy
That would be trying to earn your salvation. Salvation can not be earned. It’s not a wage we work for it is a gift.
I do not remember ever saying this. But correcif you do not show someone his error. But just let him continue in sin you are enabling him. That is not love
We make the gift if no affect by adding works to the gospel. The Jews would receive this gospel of grace message from Paul, But tried to add works to it. Their faith was in works not grace. Hence their belief was if no effect
If we are working to be saved we will be lost. For we have been saved by grace through faith. Not if works lest anyone should boast
You do Not understand the Gospel. Which again as I said is worrisome. You’re trying to earn Gods grace. It is grace or works. It’s not both. Again Paul said if it is grace it is no longer works. Otherwise grace is no longer grace
They hated him because he told them all their works were meaningless. They too had to repent and be saved because they were just as guilty as the gentiles they spurned. He shows this in Roman’s 2.
The argument may become…well that isn’t the fire spoken of here. This fire is different and not the “I will baptize you with fire” Christ spoke of. Then how does it “save” that one “who suffered the loss of all things”?
Tried to break the quotes down one by one. But what’s the point? This is from your perspective and I will respect it; as it is just what it is. Nothing further needs to be said.
I do realize i confused you with @amigo de christo. It wasn’t you who had said some of things I was responding to; but from some of his post as well. My mistake in getting you two mixed up.
I do have one more question for you though
Triumph is when you are loving God, and worshiping Him, as you patiently endure, continuing in good works, whatever circumstance you are in.
I don't understand the question. I need to see the verses in context. John speaks about overcoming but only in terms of our faith. 1John 5:4 He also writes that in order to have fellowship with the Father, one needs to admit that one sins. 1 John 1:8
Yes, of course. But -- what does John mean? Is he asking me to never sin again? I don't think so. I think John is focused on Love. To walk as Jesus walked is to imitate God the father who loves perfectly, i.e. sends the rain down on the evil and the good. To walk as Jesus walked is to cry out "Abba Father. Not my will but your will be done." To walk as Jesus walked is to trust the Father for everything, seek the kingdom of God, and to remain humble, contrite and honest.
No. Paul speaks in the present tense there. Romans 8 is interpreted in light of the end of Romans 7. What is the basis of our pardon? Paul says that we are without condemnation. Why? We are without condemnation because we walked in sinless perfection? No. Even in light of the fact that we exist in bodies of death, we are without condemnation if the Spirit of God dwells within us. That's the key.
Easy to say. :) But holiness is not a measure of morality or ethics. The term "holy" indicates things or people whom God has set aside for a special purpose. Consider two bowls equally alike in everyway: same material, same shape, potted on the same day from the same lump of clay. But one bowl is consecrated to be used in a worship ceremony, while the other bowl is used to eat breakfast. The first bowl is holy; the second bowl is not.
If this were true I would believe it. But there is no promise that we shall be glorified in this age.
The Christian walk, as Paul says, is "faith working through love."
I guess we are offended by those who advocate for sinless perfection while unable to achieve it themselves.
Greater things to come. This is why it is called a hope.
Again, holiness is not measured according to morality or ethics. The indwelling of the Spirit is the marker of those whom God has sanctified.
Being awakened is a feature of being sanctified by the Spirit.
Is Paul suggesting that we employ the Spirit in order, like a skillful Jedi Knight, to avoid sin? I don't think so. Paul is not teaching the Jedi Knight theory of spirituality. He tells us that justification is apart from the Law, and here in Romans 8 he tells us that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, who achieved what the Law could not do. Measuring life according to an ethical code is walking by the flesh.
I would need to see the passages that teach this.
Not in this lifetime.
I have no problem with an exhortation to walk in Righteousness. This is in agreement with Romans 6. In Christ, we cease being a slave of sin and become a slave of righteous. I get that and I agree with it. Behaving as a righteous person aught to behave is doable today. And those in Christ live according to a Christian ethic. But . . . .
Yes, blindness is a major problem, which is why the primary concern of the Holy Spirit is curing the blind and convicting of sin. But Jesus' primary and central critique of the Pharisees is "hypocrisy", which in the Greek culture referred to a stage actor. The Greek stage actors raised a mask up to the fact while playing a role.
Me too.
When someone continues in this pattern, what should we conclude? I see it as a strategy. Stir the pot, to feed off the emotional energy. The many contradictions in his posts show to me that the doctrine is secondary. Because it always comes down to stirring things up when the conversation mellows. Provoke others until they respond in fleshy ways. I've see it over and over and over.
The truth always provokes the religious to respond according to their nature. Let's call that...fleshy. I've seen it over and over.
