How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[VictoryinJesus]

God isn't interested in catering to the aspirations of men. He looks to the weak, the downtrodden, the poor, the broken, the humble and those who tremble at His word. Basically, everything the rich Western religious church is not.

There is yet a chance to be among the redeemed who enter into the promises of God...but only through repentance from our own ways.

How can we repent from our old ways if we are as stone, seeing every one else’s old ways and judging their ways but justifying and covering up our own? Sometimes using others old ways as the very thing that covers and excuses our own?

 

[ChristisGod]

God isn't interested in catering to the aspirations of men. He looks to the weak, the downtrodden, the poor, the broken, the humble and those who tremble at His word. Basically, everything the rich Western religious church is not.

There is yet a chance to be among the redeemed who enter into the promises of God...but only through repentance from our own ways.

Prov 29:23
A man's pride will bring him low, but a humble spirit will obtain honor.

Matt 23:12
For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted

Phil 2:3
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves,

Rom 12:10
Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Outdo yourselves in honoring one another.

Eph 5:21
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

Col 3:12
Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with hearts of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience

1 Pet 3:8
Finally, all of you, be like-minded and sympathetic, love as brothers, be tenderhearted and humble

James 4:6
But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: “God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble.”


hope this helps !!!

 

[GTW27]

A false prophet deceives, weather knowingly or not, only God knows. But it is Christ Jesus, that is The Key, who unlocks the door of their deception. So let us not put our trust in a man, but let us put our trust in The Lord alone, who fails us not.

 

[Episkopos]

How can we repent from our old ways if we are as stone, seeing every one else’s old ways and judging their ways but justifying and covering up our own?

This is actually very basic and fundamental to our own understanding of the gospel. The gospel was always meant to be preached to the poor....not the rich, not the smug. It is not meant to further bolster the religious aspirations of the outer man. But the outer man is a leech on the potential life being offered to the inner man. That's why Jesus said that if we want to save our lives (outer man) we will lose our lives (inner man). But if we lose our lives (outer man) we will find life (in the inner man).

This is very basic...but way beyond the understanding of the indoctrinated mobs that are looking to be saved in a future after-life for a present accuracy of beliefs.

Sometimes using others old ways as the very thing that covers and excuses our own?

Yes. The Pharisees compared themselves with obvious sinners in a bid for self-justification. Jesus clarified that practice by informing them that their own soulish religious sins were in fact worse.

It's too bad that so many modern believers put no confidence whatsoever in the warnings and teachings of Jesus. Whoever brings attention to Jesus ...the real Jesus...is seen as a false prophet by so many.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That's why Jesus said that if we want to save our lives (outer man) we will lose our lives (inner man). But if we lose our lives (outer man) we will find life (in the inner man).

So there is a cost. Could this not be the same as loss of self image to inherit His likeness which is gain.

 

[ChristisGod]

This is actually very basic and fundamental to our own understanding of the gospel. The gospel was always meant to be preached to the poor....not the rich, not the smug. It is not meant to further bolster the religious aspirations of the outer man. But the outer man is a leech on the potential life being offered to the inner man. That's why Jesus said that if we want to save our lives (outer man) we will lose our lives (inner man). But if we lose our lives (outer man) we will find life (in the inner man).

Jesus never said what you claim above please QUOTE HIM saying the following :

"That's why Jesus said that if we want to save our lives (outer man) we will lose our lives (inner man). But if we lose our lives (outer man) we will find life (in the inner man). "


Why do you add to scripture things that Jesus never said ?

Here is what Jesus actually said in Matthew 16:25, so pick your poison as none of the Bible version say what you claim.

New International Version
For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.

New Living Translation
If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it.

English Standard Version
For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Berean Standard Bible
For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

Berean Literal Bible
For whoever might desire to save his life will lose it; but whoever might lose his life on account of Me will find it.

King James Bible
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

New King James Version
For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

New American Standard Bible
For whoever wants to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

The Biblical meaning of the word life in the passage.

psuché: breath, the soul
Original Word: ψυχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: psuché
Phonetic Spelling: (psoo-khay')
Definition: breath, the soul
Usage: (a) the vital breath, breath of life, (b) the human soul, (c) the soul as the seat of affections and will, (d) the self, (e) a human person, an individual

Conclusion: the poster has made a false dichotomy once again with the inner/outer man which is not in the text. The text is about losing your soul or saving your soul. Your soul is eternal and that is what Jesus is concerned with in the passage.

 

[Episkopos]

So there is a cost. Could this not be the same as loss of self image to inherit His likeness which is gain.

In all the religious hubris in being shown an initial grace...people tend to forget what Jesus said...His parables, His warnings. All of it thrown out by a new "justified" status that many feel needs to be vigourously defended AGAINST the parables and teachings of Christ.

It is not about who is justified...but about He who has mercy. Do we only love God's mercy as it is directed towards ourselves?

What ever happened to selling all to buy the field that contains the treasure...or selling all to buy the pearl of great price? These kinds of kingdom parables, as well as the numerous other warnings and directives in the race of faith, are seen as non-relevant in regard to their own particular privileged status. Such is the pride and hubris that reveals which part of the person is latching on to the promises ....the same way that a leech latches onto its host.

 

[ChristisGod]

continued from above

Below is how it is used in the gospel of Matthew and as we see it has nothing whatsoever to do with @Episkopos false claims of the inner/outer man. Its about our eternal souls.

Matthew 2:20 N-AFS
GRK: ζητοῦντες τὴν ψυχὴν τοῦ παιδίου
NAS: who sought the Child's life are dead.
KJV: sought the young child's life.
INT: were seeking the life of the child

Matthew 6:25 N-DFS
GRK: μεριμνᾶτε τῇ ψυχῇ ὑμῶν τί
NAS: about your life, [as to] what
KJV: for your life, what
INT: be anxious about the life of you what

Matthew 6:25 N-NFS
GRK: οὐχὶ ἡ ψυχὴ πλεῖόν ἐστιν
NAS: you will put on. Is not life more
KJV: Is not the life more than meat,
INT: Is not the life more is

Matthew 10:28 N-AFS
GRK: τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν μὴ δυναμένων
NAS: to kill the soul; but rather
KJV: able to kill the soul: but rather
INT: those however soul not are able

Matthew 10:28 N-AFS
GRK: δυνάμενον καὶ ψυχὴν καὶ σῶμα
NAS: to destroy both soul and body in hell.
KJV: to destroy both soul and body
INT: is able both soul and body

Matthew 10:39 N-AFS
GRK: εὑρὼν τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἀπολέσει
NAS: He who has found his life will lose
KJV: his life shall lose
INT: having found the life of him will lose

Matthew 10:39 N-AFS
GRK: ἀπολέσας τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἕνεκεν
NAS: it, and he who has lost his life for My sake
KJV: he that loseth his life for my sake
INT: having lost the life of him on account of

Matthew 11:29 N-DFP
GRK: ἀνάπαυσιν ταῖς ψυχαῖς ὑμῶν
NAS: and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.
KJV: rest unto your souls.
INT: rest [for] the souls of you

Matthew 12:18 N-NFS
GRK: εὐδόκησεν ἡ ψυχή μου θήσω
NAS: IN WHOM MY SOUL is WELL-PLEASED;
KJV: my soul is well pleased:
INT: has found delight the soul of me I will put

Matthew 16:25 N-AFS
GRK: θέλῃ τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ σῶσαι
NAS: to save his life will lose
KJV: save his life shall lose it:
INT: might desire the life of him to save

Matthew 16:25 N-AFS
GRK: ἀπολέσῃ τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἕνεκεν
NAS: loses his life for My sake
KJV: will lose his life for my
INT: might lose the life of him on account of

Matthew 16:26 N-AFS
GRK: τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ζημιωθῇ
NAS: world and forfeits his soul? Or what
KJV: lose his own soul? or what
INT: and [the] soul of him lose

Matthew 16:26 N-GFS
GRK: ἀντάλλαγμα τῆς ψυχῆς αὐτοῦ
NAS: give in exchange for his soul?
KJV: in exchange for his soul?
INT: [as] an exchange for the soul of him

Matthew 20:28 N-AFS
GRK: δοῦναι τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ λύτρον
NAS: and to give His life a ransom
KJV: to give his life a ransom for
INT: to give the life of him [as] a ransom

Matthew 22:37 N-DFS
GRK: ὅλῃ τῇ ψυχῇ σου καὶ
NAS: AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL
KJV: all thy soul, and with
INT: all the soul of you and

Matthew 26:38 N-NFS
GRK: ἐστιν ἡ ψυχή μου ἕως
NAS: He said to them, My soul is deeply grieved,
KJV: My soul is
INT: is the soul of me even to

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Whoever brings attention to Jesus ...the real Jesus...is seen as a false prophet by so many.

“Is seen as a false prophet by so many”
To me that is why I adore the passage of their wanting proof that Christ spoke in Paul. They’re calling him a reprobate. False. As a liar. As wanting to make gain or purchase off of them. (No that isn’t all there but comes under what reprobate means, Imo. All sorts of accusations fall under “you are a reprobate”. You are as one who fails. “Give us proof of Christ speaking in you.”…

“Be a Lamb” not really what they are asking for (but claim they are), but that is what they are given (the Lamb) by and through Christ speaking.

(to me) Christ speaking through and by Paul (an earthen vessel), God speaks not only from earth but out from Heaven. “See not that you refuse Him who speaks from not only earth but heaven also.” To me this is the real meaning of saved or delivered “by and through Christ”. By His (the Spirit of God) speaking from Heaven by and through, an earthen vessel standing before them.

Standing before them, in their midst as a Lamb.
Will they refuse “choose to do no wrong.”

Trying to help you by encouraging if they call you as one false, or as one who fails. Pray they will see you as not as one who fails. If they ask for proof of Christ speaking from heaven …Give them the Lamb. Will they refuse?

Provoke to love. We say that is an easy provoking to love that glorifies our good deeds. To me Paul displaying: Christs’, call, provoking to love.

Is.

Choose to do no wrong, even though I be as a reprobate in your eyes. Even though I be as one who is false and as a liar in your eyes. Choose to do no evil, choose good. To me it is on them to do what one called of God is to do …love even him who is a reprobate in your eyes. As one you see as having nothing to give you. They will say most likely, we do love and hope for good. To me Paul telling them to examine themselves if Christ is speaking …where is your action of as the children of God “loving those who do not love you.” “Saluting more than those who salute you.”

Here on the board it is said we chose and they didn’t. Choose what? An empty choosing anyone can claim and verbalize. But how did one choose to believe by and through Christ …if they choose to call a brother a reprobate and false and as one who fails…major wake up call where Christ speaking by and through an earthen weak vessel ….you have not chosen (yet but I pray you will) “choose to do no wrong” “choose Christ”

Instead of claiming you have chosen Christ and do the contrary.

 

[Lizbeth]

Johann
Are you saying I’m void of the spirit of God?

Johann is pointing to Jesus Christ as the Tree of Life who is MADE UNTO US WISDOM and knowledge and redemption and discerment and just everything that we need. Yes, by His Spirit.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

What ever happened to selling all to buy the field that contains the treasure...or selling all to buy the pearl of great price?

Exactly. To me …I keep saying to me because I do get others view it differently.

Christ speaking in Paul when they wanted proof.
Is selling all to buy the field.
Is selling all to buy the pearl.
They …those being called are the field. They —those being Called—are the pearl of great price. Why else would Christ speaking through an earthen weak vessel …pray for their perfecting.

Can we be the Lamb for those to “choose”
Opportunity
Or do we all just run around claiming how we have chosen. Empty vain confessions. Chosen what?

 

[Episkopos]

Exactly. To me …I keep saying to me because I do get others view it differently.

Christ speaking in Paul when they wanted proof.
Is selling all to buy the field.
Is selling all to buy the pearl.
They …those being called are the field. They are the pearl of great price. Why else would Christ speaking through a weathers weak vessel …pray for their perfecting.

Can we be the Lamb for those to “choose”

These are kingdom parables. The field is the kingdom realm...the pearl of great price is the intimacy one finds there with the living God. We sell all (the outer man) to be permitted entry into the higher walk...experienced by a liberated inner man.

He came to set the captives free.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

These are kingdom parables. The field is the kingdom realm...the pearl of great price is the intimacy one finds there with the living God. We sell all (the outer man) to be permitted entry into the higher walk...experienced by a liberated inner man.

He came to set the captives free.

Paul seems to say they are His rejoicing in the Lord.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I was thinking last night that maybe you misunderstood me. I don’t think I do anything. Frankly, I don’t think I did the choosing, but He does it. Because we can do nothing without Him. Not even open our own eyes. That changes what I think about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. And the parable about the foolish and wise. Considering He choose not to only die for a good man(as is common), but for the unrighteousness. To me that is exactly the nature of the Father is He doesn’t only salute those who salute Him, and He doesn’t only love those who love Him. My husband and I were talking about the passage where they were accusing Paul of being a reprobate. To me what stands out is their asking for proof of Christ speaking in Paul. I love that passage so much because Christ speaking in Paul towards them …is as the Lamb. Yet they want a Lion. Not seeing they are the lions saying they are lambs, yet Paul is showing them the Lamb of God. Urging them to examine themselves. When I brought that up too many times…what I can’t understand is how immediately it is considered my suggestion is that we must work for forgiveness. And I can’t understand how the repairer and the breach in the parable also leads back to it is offensive to think that could be the point. Crazy but a few years back concerning the parables presented, yes in a sense scrambled, before the religious. I kept hearing “Christ is the key” I do agree they (the parables) come off as condemning but if the scrambled intent is condemnation…what is “no more in parables will I speak, but plainly I will show you the Father”. I prefer the unscrambled where Christ is the Key. If He is the key that opens …I don’t think it is blasphemous to say He is also the repairer of the breach. He is the way. That to me is the good news.

But saying we choose. And they didn’t choose. I don’t see how one has it in them to choose, unless God chooses.

God will not force you against your will. As a loving God his desire is that you chose to receive his gift of salvation. Based on the cross

Yes Paul was mocked by the religious. Because like Jesus Paul told them they were guilty and needed save as Paul said in Roman’s 5 we were his enemy when he died for us his shed his blood and died so we could be justified y grace. And through this justification. We now have peace with God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

These are kingdom parables. The field is the kingdom realm...the pearl of great price is the intimacy one finds there with the living God. We sell all (the outer man) to be permitted entry into the higher walk...experienced by a liberated inner man.

He came to set the captives free.

He will not set you free in sin. You must be justified or you’re still dead in sin. You must be born again

 

[GTW27]

In all the religious hubris in being shown an initial grace...people tend to forget what Jesus said...His parables, His warnings. All of it thrown out by a new "justified" status that many feel needs to be vigourously defended AGAINST the parables and teachings of Christ.

It is not about who is justified...but about He who has mercy. Do we only love God's mercy as it is directed towards ourselves?

What ever happened to selling all to buy the field that contains the treasure...or selling all to buy the pearl of great price? These kinds of kingdom parables, as well as the numerous other warnings and directives in the race of faith, are seen as non-relevant in regard to their own particular privileged status. Such is the pride and hubris that reveals which part of the person is latching on to the promises ....the same way that a leech latches onto its host.

A train is coming soon at an hour we least expect. In order to board, one must have a ticket. The ticket is free, but indeed it will cost us everything. And the name of the ticket is "have you loved?"

 

[VictoryinJesus]

the pearl of great price is the intimacy one finds there with the living God

How is Christ speaks through Paul to those being called….Not intimacy with the Living God? To share in His suffering being made perfect in that intimacy with the Living God. If the body of Christ is perfected through their being made perfect then doesn’t the whole body gain? For example “if we have given you spiritual things…” Since the kingdom of God is the pearl of great price. Then their being added unto the kingdom of God is building that kingdom of God which is increased and expanded and grows in their being brought in to the Kingdom.

Am I mistaken. Are you disagreeing. If so, what are you disagreeing with? Their (in Paul’s exchange with them) being the object of the affection? The price “I will be weak” “that you be made strong”

The price “I will be weak” “that you be made strong”
Who does that sound like?

 

[Episkopos]

A train is coming soon at an hour we least expect. In order to board, one must have a ticket. The ticket is free, but indeed it will cost us everything. And the name of the ticket is "have you loved

This is just part of the indoctrination that has no basis in the biblical narrative. There is no free ticket. There is God's mercy...that depends on whether you also have mercy. Read the parable about the man who was forgiven his debts...but who didn't forgive the debt that was owed to him.

You are not understanding the conditional nature of salvation and growth in Christ. But that is very common among the religious mob.

 

[GTW27]

This is just part of the indoctrination that has no basis in the biblical narrative. There is no free ticket. There is God's mercy...that depends on whether you also have mercy. Read the parable about the man who was forgiven his debts...but who didn't forgive the debt that was owed to him.

You are not understanding the conditional nature of salvation and growth in Christ. But that is very common among the religious mob.

Ah, But but the free gift of grace, is indeed free, for all that will receive it.

 

[Episkopos]

How is Christ speaks through Paul to those being called….Not intimacy with the Living God? To share in His suffering being made perfect in that intimacy with the Living God. For example “if we have given you spiritual things…” Since the kingdom of God is the pearl of great price. Then their being added unto the kingdom of God is building that kingdom of God which is in read and expanded and grows in their being brought in to the Kingdom.

I’m I mistaken. Are you disagreeing. If so, what are you disagreeing with? Their (in Paul’s exchange with them) being the object of the affection?

I'm not seeing a clear explanation to the parable here. Jesus says to "buy the field" in the parable. What is the field we buy??? We buy access into the eternal realm...given "eye salve" so that we have the spiritual faculty to walk in an eternal consciouness. The pearl is Christ who dwells with the father. So we can have fellowship with both the Father and the Son as we abide in the light.