How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Johann]

There is only one calling and it is a high calling. Scripture doesn't talk about a high-ER calling, only a HIGH calling. High, because it has to do with spirit and things above (heavenly), as opposed to being of the flesh and earthly. As in God's ways are higher than ours.

 

[amigo de christo]

Don't "feed" Epi--this thread is far too long--him not using Scriptures and a lot of waffling go on.

Now let us examine this real closely .
For the all inclusive many path generation believeth they follow GOD .
And have salvation .
BUT , lets remember what the apostels themselves first taught .
THERE IS NO SALVATION IN ANY OTHER . SO if one believes not IN CHRIST
THEY DONT have the salvation that cometh of GOD .
JESUS CHRIST alone must be preached on our watch . And HE ALONE . JESUS and HIM CRUCIFIED .
For what i say to one i say to all , ALL ELSE IS VAIN and simply cannot save .
THUS we shall not heed EPI nor these many others who try and claim All paths lead to GOD
that all religoins can find him through love and good works .
Anyone , any religion can believe they LOVE GOD .
But , JESUS said it best . IF YE LOVED GOD YE WOULD HAVE LOVED ME , FOR I CAME FORTH OF GOD .
SO no matter what they do , no matter if they do hug one another in this big ol end time one world religoin
THEY DONT LOVE GOD , THE GOSPEL is under direct attack more than at any other time .
WE GONNA POINT TO JESUS CHRIST , TO THE FINAL BREATH MY FRIEND . For all else is but vain and is sowing to the wind
and shall reap nothing but the very WHIRLWIND of destruction .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Like I said earlier this may sound crazy or at the very least make no sense. I struggle to believe it also, thinking it is craziness? but I’m being genuine that whether crazy and needing medication for it, or truly Him speaking something through His word. I can relate to the man who said “I believe! God, help my unbelief.”

by a New and Living Way. Where are you going Lord? how do we follow You? “I have shown you the Way.”

By this New and Living Way, which He renewed for us “to enter in” “pierce” through “the veil”.
That is His flesh. Entering in to the Holiest of Holy.

So now consider this …who sits as High Priest over the Body which is the House (Temple) of God? Who is seated over the House of God? Is it the Old man? Or the New?

Draw near —I have overcome the outer man- pierced right through him and defeated death, talking away the stone. does that outer man spit on you, does that outer man kick against the pricks, does the outer man persecute, hate and despise you. It is Christ he hates. Is the outer man a giant to you? That man is crucified. Stand you, confident, rooted, unshakable before the outer man, I have overcome death. Enter in…enter in through the veil.

With Sincerity of heart
In FULL assurance of Faith
Entering in “through the veil” of the outer man(crucified), INTO the Holiest of Holy (The inner man). he will kick, he will spit, he will foam.

Having Our body washed by and through the baptism, that is to say to partake of His suffering with Him, joined (assembling together) having a High priest seated over the House of God.
Cleansed with Pure Water.

Coming Face to Face with our enemy. If God be for us, who can be against us?
Stand having your loins girded about with Strength. Put on the helmet, this war isn’t won with carnal weapons. Hold fast the confession. As Christ has shown, holding fast His confession before Pilate. Hope without wavering. A man who wavers is unstable; tossed about, driven by the wind.
He is faithful who promised. Instructing of an entering in…

Provoke one another to love, and good deeds.
I tell you this will not be as easy as it is made out to be. When I say “provoke one another to Love”. An example has been given. More than one. Remember Paul who stood being accused of being a reprobate? As one who fails? Yet, all left him and Christ stood with him. How did Christ speaking through him, provoke them to love? Was the Life he now Lived in Christ wavering? Even before giants.
No. God walking in men does not waver.

Do not forsake the assembling together.
As is the habit of those who refuse to enter in out of the fear of what men will do, but encourage one another. As you see the day draw near.

For if you go on sinning after receiving the knowledge of entering into My kingdom through Christ, refusing and turning away because of the fear of what men will do unto you. There in no more sacrifice. You will not enter in through your burnt offerings and sacrifices. If you refuse, then have you any confidence in God the Father? or is your confidence in flesh…that it will withhold and prevent entering? If you refuse to enter in out of the fear of giants in the land, even when I went before you to make a New and Living Way… surely there is no more sacrifice to help you but instead this constant dread and fear that He who promised is not Faithful, as promised He does not forgive, and there is no entering in beyond “the veil” into the place God prepared for them entering in. Did He not say “I will go before you and make room?”

Enter in through the veil of the heart, enter the promised Land of the Holiest of Holy. “don’t be afraid of what men can do unto you. refusing, saying, no there are giants in the Land.” Consider the parable of many will believe but when persecution comes for My words sake, they will turn away.

but HOW can we enter when there is “a veil”?
Go through it!
Remember even the gates of hell could not stop His entering in through the veil.

In case that wasn’t clear enough. I think “the veil” that we enter in to God’s rest, is through “the veil” that remains over those spitting, rejecting, casting out, resisting, kicking against Christ, cursing and despising. That to me is what seems to take “impossible” to a whole new height. Instead it truly makes at least me contemplate running- for-the- hills- kind- of- impossible.

Old Testament support: I go before you and will give unto you the hidden riches kept in secret and dark places.

 

[Waiting on him]

No

we are attempting to share with you the way to salvation. to get you to repent of your gospel of works..

So you and amigo say the first century Christian’s didn’t suffer due to abandoning their religious practices

You two are more blind than I first thought.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus said...seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness. How do you know you have found the kingdom?

1. Because we became poor in spirit. (bankrupt) abnd as the tax collector called out to God
Matthew 5:3

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

2. Because we have been given his spirit. and through this, his spirit speaks with our spirit to confirm we are children of God
Romans 8:16

The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

3. Because we see a life change, as God is changing us, our fleshly desired fade. and a desire to do Gods will increases.

4. Because we looked to the cross. and like the children of Israel did when moses lifted the serpent, we in faith trusted God. and he gave us eternal life.. and the assurance we will never perish.
John 3: 10-17
10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

I can name many more ways. but here you have a few

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In case that wasn’t clear enough. I think “the veil” that we enter in to God’s rest, is through “the veil” that remains over those spitting, rejecting, casting out, resisting, kicking against Christ, cursing and despising. That to me is what seems to take “impossible” to a whole new height. Instead it truly makes at least me contemplate running- for-the- hills- kind- of- impossible.

Old Testament support: I go before you and will give unto you the hidden riches kept in secret and dark places.

How do we enter the veil?

 

[amigo de christo]

Putting on new man and putting off the old man is not a literal thing, but is only allegorically depicting a principle...it has to do with what one is yielding to and walking in, either walking in the flesh or walking in the spirit....which means walking in the righteousness of Christ, which we can only do because He has given it to us a gift. Yielding our members to righteousness unto holiness and no longer to sin unto iniquity. Mortifying the deeds of the flesh BY THE SPIRIT is another way Paul explained the same thing.

exactly . SUBMIT TO GOD , resist the devil and HE will flee .
And yet many have not submitted to THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD , WHICH IS FOUND IN CHRIST ALONE .
They still go about to seek righteousness , BUT NOT BY FAITH . and it wont work out nor bode well for any who does such a thing .
GOD alone has made the way . AND GOD alone has predetermined HOW the world would be saved .
IN CHRIST JESUS . BY the preaching of the gospel . BELIEVE YE in HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
For if one believes not the very TESTIMONY that GOD gave of HIS SON , THEY make ,they call GOD a LIAR .
JOHN was right , EPI is WRONG .

 

[Johann]

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Now let us examine this real closely .
For the all inclusive many path generation believeth they follow GOD .
And have salvation .
BUT , lets remember what the apostels themselves first taught .
THERE IS NO SALVATION IN ANY OTHER . SO if one believes not IN CHRIST
THEY DONT have the salvation that cometh of GOD .
JESUS CHRIST alone must be preached on our watch . And HE ALONE . JESUS and HIM CRUCIFIED .
For what i say to one i say to all , ALL ELSE IS VAIN and simply cannot save .
THUS we shall not heed EPI nor these many others who try and claim All paths lead to GOD
that all religoins can find him through love and good works .
Anyone , any religion can believe they LOVE GOD .
But , JESUS said it best . IF YE LOVED GOD YE WOULD HAVE LOVED ME , FOR I CAME FORTH OF GOD .
SO no matter what they do , no matter if they do hug one another in this big ol end time one world religoin
THEY DONT LOVE GOD , THE GOSPEL is under direct attack more than at any other time .
WE GONNA POINT TO JESUS CHRIST , TO THE FINAL BREATH MY FRIEND . For all else is but vain and is sowing to the wind
and shall reap nothing but the very WHIRLWIND of destruction .

Well said @amigo de christo and it is true what you are saying--the good news is under direct attack.
Stay strong and rooted in Christ Jesus our Savior.
Shalom to you and family
J.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you and amigo say the first century Christian’s didn’t suffer due to abandoning their religious practices

You two are more blind than I first thought.

I never said any such thing

I see you are resorting to lies also

They suffered, we all suffer for abandoning the things we used to cherish

You want to keep with your lies?? How can anyone trust you if you have to lie to get your point across?

I asked before and I will ask again, Does this suffering SAVE THEM? did it PAY for their sins so they could be made alive?

 

[Waiting on him]

I never said any such thing

I see you are resorting to lies also

They suffered, we all suffer for abandoning the things we used to cherish

You want to keep with your lies?? How can anyone trust you if you have to lie to get your point across?

I asked before and I will ask again, Does this suffering SAVE THEM? did it PAY for their sins so they could be made alive?

No
They abandoned religion you create it.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well said @amigo de christo and it is true what you are saying--the good news is under direct attack.
Stay strong and rooted in Christ Jesus our Savior.
Shalom to you and family
J.

JESUS is who we shall point too my friend . HE who honors the SON , HONORS the FATHER .
I HONOR GOD , JESUS said , BUT YE DO DISHONOR ME .
Ye say GOD is your father .
Now JESUS was saying this to even the very jews who held torah . YET did not know it nor follow it , or its law or its prophets .
We are MOSES desciples they once said .
JESUS says , HAD YOU BELIEVED MOSES , YE WOULD have BELIEVED ME , for HE WROTE Of me .
Jesus would also say , YE are of your father the devil . WHY . why would JESUS say such a thing
to even the jews who believed NOT on HIM . WELL the answer to that question is in the the question .
CAUSE THEY BELIEVED NOT ON HIM . WE gonna preach JESUS , all else is vain .
HE IS THE CHRIST OF GOD , HE IS THE MESSIAH , HE IS THE ONLY NAME WHEREBY ONE MAY BE SAVED and there is
salvation IN NO OTHER . WE aint gonna heed epi or others or any who try and bring another gospel .
WHICH aint no gospel at all .
Now paul wrote it best many , many years ago .
Notice paul would even include himself in this .
HE writes , IF WE , EVEN IF WE , or any other , even an angel preaches any other gospel .............
let him be accursed . They knew the DIRE IMPORTANCE OF THE GOSPEL OF TRUTH . AND by grace so do we .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

How do we enter the veil?

I posted a clarification. To me we enter in through “the veil” that remains over those rejecting God. Because that is what Christ did, He entered in beyond “the veil” of those resisting, kicking, spitting, rejecting God and I should know because I am one of them. We sing songs about it how he removed mountains, walls, resistance loving us that much that He pierced through “the veil”, entering in. As much as he walked through walls and shut doors…He enters in and through “the veil”. “I was blind but now I see?” Wouldn’t you say the Spirit is able to pierce through even the impossible “veil”?

 

[amigo de christo]

I never said any such thing

I see you are resorting to lies also

They suffered, we all suffer for abandoning the things we used to cherish

You want to keep with your lies?? How can anyone trust you if you have to lie to get your point across?

I asked before and I will ask again, Does this suffering SAVE THEM? did it PAY for their sins so they could be made alive?

I never said it either . Him and epi always twist things and i believe they do it on purpose .
Its one thing to misunderstand , quite another to continually TWIST what people say to make them seem WRONG .
and this is what they been doing my friend . I NEVER Once said that either . I have always said otherwise .
THEY are intentionally twisting things .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I posted a clarification. To me we enter in through “the veil” that remains over those rejecting God. Because that is what Christ did, He entered in beyond “the veil” of those resisting, kicking, spitting, rejecting God and I should know because I am one of them. We sing songs about it how he removed mountains, walls, resistance loving us that much that He pierced through. As much as he walked through walls and shut doors…He enters in and through “the veil”. “I was blind but now I see?” Wouldn’t you say the Spirit is able to pierce through even the impossible “veil”?

so we are saved by resisting those kicking, spitting and rejecting God, we sing songs, I am confused..

Your right Christ entered the veil by his death. Is that not how we enter the veil by trusting in Christ death, by believing in the one sent?

 

[amigo de christo]

How do we enter the veil?

BY FAITH IN CHRIST .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No
They abandoned religion you create it.

I did not create anything.

You continue to slander.. Its obvious your not walking in the spirit..

If you are going to continue to lie. well You will just show me you are just like your brother..

 

[amigo de christo]

so we are saved by resisting those kicking, spitting and rejecting God, we sing songs, I am confused..

Your right Christ entered the veil by his death. Is that not how we enter the veil by trusting in Christ death, by believing in the one sent?

Point to CHRIST till the last breath .

 

[Waiting on him]

I posted a clarification. To me we enter in through “the veil” that remains over those rejecting God. Because that is what Christ did, He entered in beyond “the veil” of those resisting, kicking, spitting, rejecting God and I should know because I am one of them. We sing songs about it how he removed mountains, walls, resistance loving us that much that He pierced through “the veil”, entering in. As much as he walked through walls and shut doors…He enters in and through “the veil”. “I was blind but now I see?” Wouldn’t you say the Spirit is able to pierce through even the impossible “veil”?

His flesh was the veil.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dont hold your breath for that answer .

She actually will answer. And she does it in a calm polite way

Now if only the others would do the same

 

[Johann]

How do we enter the veil?

Answer is in Scriptures---
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

3) "Through the veil," (dia tou katapetasmatos) "Through media of the (special) veil," that body-veil God prepared for him, the body of his flesh, in which he bear our sins on the tree, till the Father was satisfied and he had given himself for the church he had loved, Col_1:20-22; Isa_53:10-12; 1Pe_2:18; Eph_5:25.

4) "That is to say his flesh," (tes sarkos autou) "Which is his flesh body," specially prepared for him, in which "he bear our sins in his body on the tree," Eph_2:15-16; 1Pe_3:18; Gal_3:13; In that resurrected, glorified body he went into heaven itself, to make intercession and advocate for every believer and his church, in the midst of which John beheld him walking, Rev_1:12-20; Heb_7:25; 1Jn_2:1-2.

By the way which he dedicated for us (hēn enekainisen hēmin hodon). This “new” (prosphaton, freshly killed, newly made, from pros and the root of phatos, in the papyri, only here in N.T.) and “living” (zōsan) Jesus opened (“dedicated”) for us by his Incarnation and Death for us. Thus he fulfilled God’s promise of the “New Covenant” (Heb_8:7-13) in Jeremiah. The language is highly symbolic here and “through the veil” here is explained as meaning the flesh of Christ, his humanity, not the veil opening into heaven (Heb_6:20).

Some do take “veil” here as obscuring the deity of Christ rather than the revelation of God in the human body of Christ (Joh_1:18; Joh_14:9). At any rate because of the coming of Christ in the flesh we have the new way opened for access to God (Heb_2:17.; Heb_4:16).
Robertson