How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[amigo de christo]

I did not create anything.

You continue to slander.. Its obvious your not walking in the spirit..

If you are going to continue to lie. well You will just show me you are just like your brother..

They gonna continue . all we can do is POINT to CHRIST and continue to expose the lies .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Answer is in Scriptures---
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

3) "Through the veil," (dia tou katapetasmatos) "Through media of the (special) veil," that body-veil God prepared for him, the body of his flesh, in which he bear our sins on the tree, till the Father was satisfied and he had given himself for the church he had loved, Col_1:20-22; Isa_53:10-12; 1Pe_2:18; Eph_5:25.

4) "That is to say his flesh," (tes sarkos autou) "Which is his flesh body," specially prepared for him, in which "he bear our sins in his body on the tree," Eph_2:15-16; 1Pe_3:18; Gal_3:13; In that resurrected, glorified body he went into heaven itself, to make intercession and advocate for every believer and his church, in the midst of which John beheld him walking, Rev_1:12-20; Heb_7:25; 1Jn_2:1-2.

By the way which he dedicated for us (hēn enekainisen hēmin hodon). This “new” (prosphaton, freshly killed, newly made, from pros and the root of phatos, in the papyri, only here in N.T.) and “living” (zōsan) Jesus opened (“dedicated”) for us by his Incarnation and Death for us. Thus he fulfilled God’s promise of the “New Covenant” (Heb_8:7-13) in Jeremiah. The language is highly symbolic here and “through the veil” here is explained as meaning the flesh of Christ, his humanity, not the veil opening into heaven (Heb_6:20).

Some do take “veil” here as obscuring the deity of Christ rather than the revelation of God in the human body of Christ (Joh_1:18; Joh_14:9). At any rate because of the coming of Christ in the flesh we have the new way opened for access to God (Heb_2:17.; Heb_4:16).
Robertson

yes, we enter through the cross.. By receiving Christ death on our behalf in faith. and not rejecting it.

 

[Waiting on him]

I did not create anything.

You continue to slander.. Its obvious your not walking in the spirit..

If you are going to continue to lie. well You will just show me you are just like your brother..

Your suffering for making stupid choices in your life is not at all similar to the first century Christian’s suffering for Jesus’s name sake.

 

[Waiting on him]

yes, we enter through the cross.. By receiving Christ death on our behalf in faith. and not rejecting it.

Again they entered through the rent flesh of Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Answer is in Scriptures---
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

3) "Through the veil," (dia tou katapetasmatos) "Through media of the (special) veil," that body-veil God prepared for him, the body of his flesh, in which he bear our sins on the tree, till the Father was satisfied and he had given himself for the church he had loved, Col_1:20-22; Isa_53:10-12; 1Pe_2:18; Eph_5:25.

4) "That is to say his flesh," (tes sarkos autou) "Which is his flesh body," specially prepared for him, in which "he bear our sins in his body on the tree," Eph_2:15-16; 1Pe_3:18; Gal_3:13; In that resurrected, glorified body he went into heaven itself, to make intercession and advocate for every believer and his church, in the midst of which John beheld him walking, Rev_1:12-20; Heb_7:25; 1Jn_2:1-2.

By the way which he dedicated for us (hēn enekainisen hēmin hodon). This “new” (prosphaton, freshly killed, newly made, from pros and the root of phatos, in the papyri, only here in N.T.) and “living” (zōsan) Jesus opened (“dedicated”) for us by his Incarnation and Death for us. Thus he fulfilled God’s promise of the “New Covenant” (Heb_8:7-13) in Jeremiah. The language is highly symbolic here and “through the veil” here is explained as meaning the flesh of Christ, his humanity, not the veil opening into heaven (Heb_6:20).

Some do take “veil” here as obscuring the deity of Christ rather than the revelation of God in the human body of Christ (Joh_1:18; Joh_14:9). At any rate because of the coming of Christ in the flesh we have the new way opened for access to God (Heb_2:17.; Heb_4:16).
Robertson

YES INDEED . Let all that has breath , praise the Glorious LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Answer is in Scriptures---
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

3) "Through the veil," (dia tou katapetasmatos) "Through media of the (special) veil," that body-veil God prepared for him, the body of his flesh, in which he bear our sins on the tree, till the Father was satisfied and he had given himself for the church he had loved, Col_1:20-22; Isa_53:10-12; 1Pe_2:18; Eph_5:25.

4) "That is to say his flesh," (tes sarkos autou) "Which is his flesh body," specially prepared for him, in which "he bear our sins in his body on the tree," Eph_2:15-16; 1Pe_3:18; Gal_3:13; In that resurrected, glorified body he went into heaven itself, to make intercession and advocate for every believer and his church, in the midst of which John beheld him walking, Rev_1:12-20; Heb_7:25; 1Jn_2:1-2.

By the way which he dedicated for us (hēn enekainisen hēmin hodon). This “new” (prosphaton, freshly killed, newly made, from pros and the root of phatos, in the papyri, only here in N.T.) and “living” (zōsan) Jesus opened (“dedicated”) for us by his Incarnation and Death for us. Thus he fulfilled God’s promise of the “New Covenant” (Heb_8:7-13) in Jeremiah. The language is highly symbolic here and “through the veil” here is explained as meaning the flesh of Christ, his humanity, not the veil opening into heaven (Heb_6:20).

Some do take “veil” here as obscuring the deity of Christ rather than the revelation of God in the human body of Christ (Joh_1:18; Joh_14:9). At any rate because of the coming of Christ in the flesh we have the new way opened for access to God (Heb_2:17.; Heb_4:16).
Robertson

Let us draw near , in full assurance of ...................FAITH . YES INDEED . FAITH IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND . exactly .
the words of truth are as honey to the taste of a lamb . Let all that has breath praise and thank the LORD .

 

[MatthewG]

By mortification.

 

[Johann]

yes, we enter through the cross.. By receiving Christ death on our behalf in faith. and not rejecting it.

Most are still standing BEFORE the cross of Christ, but are not willing to go THROUGH the cross--denying of the ego eimi, take up your cross, and keep on following Christ Jesus--three Imperatives right here.
J.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

How do we enter the veil?

Thanks for asking though. For at least not laughing. I know it sounds crazy. But to me that eliminates faking it. It not being some absence-minded confession … but how powerful Christ entering in beyond the veil, is towards us. Not about His own putting off of the flesh, but the removal of our veil, the removal through the circumcision of Christ, piercing beyond that veil. Paul’s says that frequently too …the power of God works mighty towards you.
To me that is beyond anything self can do. (Or even fake) …maybe because self isn’t concerned with “towards you” but “towards self”?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your suffering for making stupid choices in your life is not at all similar to the first century Christian’s suffering for Jesus’s name sake.

all my suffering will not save me, God will not forgive one sin because I seffered. and who said anything about me sufferi9ng for stupid choices?

Dude, You need to take a page from your wife. Your arrogance is steep

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Again they entered through the rent flesh of Christ.

so they BELIEVED in him, recieved his salvation. and are born again? Just like Jesus said in John 3?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thanks for asking though. For at least not laughing. I know it sounds crazy. But to me that eliminates faking it. It not being some absence-minded confession … but how powerful Christ entering in beyond the veil, is towards us. Not about His own putting off of the flesh, but the removal of our veil, the removal through the circumcision of Christ, piercing beyond that veil. Paul’s says that frequently too …the power of God works mighty towards you.
To me that is beyond anything self can do.

yes, this reminds me of collisions 2

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the [i]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

I highlighted the words I want to focus on. the circumcision as you said.. this is what it is all about

 

[Johann]

Thanks for asking though. For at least not laughing. I know it sounds crazy. But to me that eliminates faking it. It not being some absence-minded confession … but how powerful Christ entering in beyond the veil, is towards us. Not about His own putting off of the flesh, but the removal of our veil, the removal through the circumcision of Christ, piercing beyond that veil. Paul’s says that frequently too …the power of God works mighty towards you.
To me that is beyond anything self can do. (Or even fake) …maybe because self isn’t concerned with “towards you” but “towards self”?

How did you come to this conclusion? Based on what Scriptures?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

How did you come to this conclusion? Based on what Scriptures?

Too many to list. One that comes to mind is “love seeks not its own but that of another.”

 

[VictoryinJesus]

His flesh was the veil.

Yes. He suffered that we may come to the knowledge of God. The Father spoke with Him all the time, and he spoke to the Father. whose veil kept them from speaking with the Father?

 

[Waiting on him]

Dude, You need to take a page from your wife. Your arrogance is steep

Maybe she can’t see through your ignorance, doesn’t mean I cant.

 

[Waiting on him]

whose veil kept them from speaking with the Father?

As scripture declares his flesh.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

As scripture declares his flesh.

I’m not disputing that.
Does the veil still remain over any hearts?
Enter in through the veil, that is to say His flesh? For the veil still remains, yet “when it turns to God the veil is removed” then we will see God, Face to Face.
Entering in “through His flesh” is not without suffering?
I know we talked before about what we think is the promised Land God was talking about. How do you enter into that promised Land? i have a feeling you will say again “through His flesh” we enter in. Not disputing that. I am trying to share that may not be what we think having to do with self but instead “God works mightily towards another” does a tree bearing Fruit eat its own fruit, or is it for another?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Maybe she can’t see through your ignorance, doesn’t mean I cant.

You can‘t even see what I have said. And just because I do nto believe s you does not mean I am ignorant.

Again,, Your arrogance precedes you. Her humility is refreshing

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m not disputing that.
Does the veil still remain over any hearts?
Enter in through the veil, that is to say His flesh? For the veil still remains, yet “when it turns to God the veil is removed” then we will see God, Face to Face.
Entering in is not without suffering?
I know we talked before about what we think is the promised Land God was talking about. How do you enter into that promised Land? i have a feeling you will say again “through His flesh” we enter in. Not disputing that. I am trying to share that may not be what we think having to do with self but instead “God works mightily towards another” does a tree bearing Fruit eat its own fruit, or is it for another?

I like to use the example of a child. Who was homeless and had to fend for themselves. And then someone comes and adopts them into their family. This child is given everything the new parents have. He is no longer a homeless child who needs to take care of themselves.

That child has to grow to learn to trust not only his new parents. but that he does not need anymore.. So their will be growing pains

We are adopted by God. who we are told has given us every spiritual blessing under christ.

sadly. We too have to learn to trust God. That is growing pains. Not everyone will be sanctified as a mature believer the moment of their adoption. It takes time, while God works on our lives to grow us. As we learn to trust in him