Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

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Gays claim the rainbow as a direct retort to God's having sent it as a sign after drowning the worlds sinners.

Gays today proudly march, and also join Christian discussion boards, so boldly state they are proud condemned sinners living as an abomination when sexually active as sodomites.

They change the meaning behind ,no pun intended,the rainbow. They change the definition of gay. They change the meaning of Sodomite so to insist it is a bigoted slur against their sexual behavior, when uncaring that the charge of Sodomy is often brought against male rapists who assault their female victims. Which means Sodomy is a sex act,not a "homophobic" slur.

They insist those who do not agree their lifestyle is natural nor of God's plan,frightened. (Homophobic) Because while homosexuals demand tolerance they proudly march in defiance of expressing it themselves.

And now,and for years before,they try to revive the old slander against King James and claim he was gay.

That's a lie.

 

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This is immoral.
This is perverted.
This is not "love".
This is not natural...

God does not accept this, and will never, and neither should you do if you are a CHRISTian.
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Revelation 3:15-16

Holman Christian Standard Bible

15 I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of My mouth.

Revelation 3:15–16 — King James Version (KJV 1900)

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Revelation 3:15–16 — The New King James Version (NKJV)

15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

Habakkuk 2:16
Thou art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the Lord's right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory.

???? Child Sacrifice, Transgender Issues… and Baal Worship – Larus Press – Sarah Tun
 

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The true righteous person julks when they see gross sin.

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Baal had a relationship with fellow god Inanna, who was gender queer and used male pronouns. Baal and Inanna had a falling out when Inanna slept with the god Lucifer, and Baal and Inanna never reconciled before Inanna’s death. Baal regrets never telling Inanna that he loved him. Baal is currently in a relationship with the goddess Persephone.

Baal is pansexual and has also gone by the name Valentine. Baal’s first appearance is in The Wicked + The Divine #2

 

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The word of God - "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," (1Cor 6:9 KJV) *Nothing there about homosexuals

1828 Websters "effeminate, 1. Having the qualities of the female sex; soft or delicate to an unmanly degree; tender; womanish; voluptuous.
The king, by his voluptuous life and mean marriage, became effeminate, and less sensible of honor."
"Abusers, One who abuses, in speech or behavior; one that deceives; a ravisher; a sodomite. 1 Cor 6."
"Ravisher, 1. One that takes by violence. 2. One that forces a woman to his carnal embrace."

The word of God - "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" (1Tim 1:10 KJV)

1828 Websters "defile, 5. To corrupt chastity; to debauch; to violate; to tarnish the purity of character by lewdness. Schechem defiled Dinah. Gen 34." *Read Genesis 34 and you see it is about rape!

That is true, the "word of God" sets things right!


"have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites," (1Cor 6:9 YLT)
"whoremongers, sodomites, men-stealers, liars, perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that to sound doctrine is adverse," (1Tim 1:10 YLT)

I know of no English dictionary that defines "effeminate" as homosexual, catamite or sodomite. I do not know any thesaurus that gives sodomite and homosexual as synonymous. If any is found, they are surely off the charts for sure!
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I suppose you are aware that King James though married, had three male lovers in his life -
yuk
 
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The gays have to not only pervert sexuality, but, hating even their own selves, they even pervert homosexuality, denying its sterility in adopting children to pretend to be what they never can be. It's perversion upon perversion. God can save.
And thus I puke, when I see such sinful garbage.
 

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Gays claim the rainbow as a direct retort to God's having sent it as a sign after drowning the worlds sinners.

That's a Lie!!! Definitely a counterfeit. Easily proven. Look at a gay rainbow flag. Six colors.

Look at God's Rainbow...Seven Colors!

They change the meaning behind ,no pun intended,the rainbow. They change the definition of gay. They change the meaning of Sodomite so to insist it is a bigoted slur against their sexual behavior, when uncaring that the charge of Sodomy is often brought against male rapists who assault their female victims. Which means Sodomy is a sex act,not a "homophobic" slur.

Yeah, I noticed that. They used to call them fags but then suddenly they were calling them gay. But gay used to mean happy and in a good mood! Did calling them fags turn into a slur? You're right about the word sodomy too. Sodomy means, in the butt. And girls arent even equipped for that. It is a waste chute, Exit Only! WHat's hard about understanding that? Nothing.

Them guys are in-sane in the mem-brane. It doesnt even sound like something man would dream up, it has to be evil spirits. A spirit of Immorality, a spirit of Depavity, and maybe even a spirit of deception in there too.

Does anybody think that Adam ever asked Eve for some Booty? No way. No chance for several reasons.
 
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That's a Lie!!! Definitely a counterfeit. Easily proven. Look at a gay rainbow flag. Six colors.

Look at God's Rainbow...Seven Colors!



Yeah, I noticed that. They used to call them fags but then suddenly they were calling them gay. But gay used to mean happy and in a good mood! Did calling them fags turn into a slur? You're right about the word sodomy too. Sodomy means, in the butt. And girls arent even equipped for that. It is a waste chute, Exit Only! WHat's hard about understanding that? Nothing.

Them guys are in-sane in the mem-brane. It doesnt even sound like something man would dream up, it has to be evil spirits. A spirit of Immorality, a spirit of Depavity, and maybe even a spirit of deception in there too.

Does anybody think that Adam ever asked Eve for some Booty? No way. No chance for several reasons.
The links I posted shows it is the "spirit of Baal". Gays even honor Baal as a god.
 
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The links I posted shows it is the "spirit of Baal". Gays even honor Baal as a god.
The links I posted shows it is the "spirit of Baal". Gays even honor Baal as a god.

I admit, I did not click the links and read them. But! I already knew it was evil spirits! We'll add Baal on my list too, lol.

Baal's going to burn very hot. It's a slap in the face of God that even though His woman that He created for Adam, which God said was very good, is not good enough? That's an affont to God and women..

Our women are so special that even some fallen angels wanted them! It's not like there aint enough women to go around.
 
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That's a Lie!!! Definitely a counterfeit. Easily proven. Look at a gay rainbow flag. Six colors.

Look at God's Rainbow...Seven Colors!
True. However,they've changed the flag these last couple of years. And have added a few more letters to their identity alphabet. They're, LGBTQIA+, now.

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Yeah, I noticed that. They used to call them fags but then suddenly they were calling them gay. But gay used to mean happy and in a good mood! Did calling them fags turn into a slur? You're right about the word sodomy too. Sodomy means, in the butt. And girls arent even equipped for that. It is a waste chute, Exit Only! WHat's hard about understanding that? Nothing.

Them guys are in-sane in the mem-brane. It doesnt even sound like something man would dream up, it has to be evil spirits. A spirit of Immorality, a spirit of Depavity, and maybe even a spirit of deception in there too.

Does anybody think that Adam ever asked Eve for some Booty? No way. No chance for several reasons.
Some say they're demon possessed.
 

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Not yuk. It's lies that the kings enemies invented to impugn his legacy.

The queen James bible,so named because the blasphemers that rewrote the Bible so to omit the so called clobber verses,those passages that condemn homosexuality and call for their death in the OT, were removed.
While any scripture they could pervert so to imply the teaching approves homosexuality were highlighted.

Which is how in gay churches they preach that they're OK just as they are. And that God never condemned homosexuality.
 
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Yeah sometimes the Shakesperian language of the KJV isn't as clear as we'd like it to be. Let's read a more modern translation of that same verse, shall we?

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,
10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.
11 Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.../NLT

So when somebody says, hey the bibe says this or that but you never seen that before, what do you do? Try reading some different translations of the same passage to give clarity.

Now those words are not my words. I did not make them up. The Translators picked the words. I knew before that what it meant but since you brought it up I decided time to look closer at different translations of it. See what I found?! Biblegateway.com is an awesome resource because it has I think prolly hundreds of different translations to easily choose from.

Myself? I'm really starting to like that New Living Translation (NLT)!
Besides, what's not effeminate about a man penetrating another man as with a woman? Look around you in nature and see the clues. The females get penetrated and bear fruit in their offspring. WHere is the gays fruit? They have none.

On the plus side we have looking forward to a Heaven without gays! Wont that be nice?!!!

Not one gay. Not one drag queen. Not one transformer. And no gays in the Millenium! Or at the very least, they will be deep deep in the closet, lol!
I believe the most accurate translation of 1 Cor. 6:9 is:

The Interlinear KJV/NIV Parellel : New Testament in Greek and English, Zondervan Copyright 1980
"Or know ye not that unrighteous men will not inherit [the] kingdom of God? Be not led astray; not fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor voluptuous persons nor sodomites"

The NJB translates the two debated words as "self-indulgent" and "sodomite"
"Do you not realise that people who do evil will never inherit the kingdom of God? Make no mistake -- the sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, the self-indulgent, sodomites,"

If you wish to post your favorite translation of 1 Cor. 6:9, and use it to condemn ALL gays, post it and give us your reason to pick that particular translation. Explain your exegesis of the verse to come up with any blanket condemnation about homosexual. I can in detail explain my pick of the YLT and the Interlinear Translation, and show why those are the accurate translations.

I can explain why I think the translations I mentioned are correct. Can anyone differ, and explain their verse and their reasons that they think it is correct? When it comes to the word "sodomites", most religious people use their own definition not Standard English. I can explain why I believe the word "sodomite" fits, and any form of "homosexual" does not fit.
 
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Oh yeah? Name one voluptutuous man.

Here's the Edward's Unabridged Dictionary of 2024 for Effeminate:
1. Having the qualities of the female sex; soft or delicate to an unmanly degree; tender; womanish; voluptuous.
2. One who is penetrated sexually by a man.




That's ok though because I dont need any $100.+ books to explain to me in 4000 pages that going up inside another mans butt is ok and not an abomination to God. I have the book of Truth.

Not a book of truth, The Book of Truth. I learned in two verses that being gay is wrong. So my Book is better than your book. Like I respect the wisdom of the world, Ha!
Who has ever heard of an "Edward's Unabridged Dictionary of 2024"? Give us a link or a way to research that dictionary. :laughing:
 

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I believe the most accurae translation of 1 Cor. 6:9 is:

The Interlinear KJV/NIV Parellel : New Testament in Greek and English, Zondervan Copyright 1980
"Or know ye not that unrighteous men will not inherit [the] kingdom of God? Be not led astray; not fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor voluptuous persons nor sodomites"

The NJB translates the two debated words as "self-indulgent" and "sodomite"
"Do you not realise that people who do evil will never inherit the kingdom of God? Make no mistake -- the sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, the self-indulgent, sodomites,"

If you wish to post your favorite translation of 1 Cor. 6:9, and use it to condemn ALL gays, post it and give us your reason to pick that particular translation. Explain your exegesis of the verse to come up with any blanket condemnation about homosexual. I can in detail explain my pick of the YLT and the Interlinear Translation, and show why those are the accurate translations.

I can explain why I think the translations I mentioned are correct. Can anyone differ, and explain their verse and their reasons that they think it is correct? When it comes to the word "sodomites", most religious people use their own definition not Standard English. I can explain why I believe the word "sodomite" fits, and any form of "homosexual" does not fit.
 
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I believe the most accurate translation of 1 Cor. 6:9 is:

The Interlinear KJV/NIV Parellel : New Testament in Greek and English, Zondervan Copyright 1980
"Or know ye not that unrighteous men will not inherit [the] kingdom of God? Be not led astray; not fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor voluptuous persons nor sodomites"

The NJB translates the two debated words as "self-indulgent" and "sodomite"
"Do you not realise that people who do evil will never inherit the kingdom of God? Make no mistake -- the sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, the self-indulgent, sodomites,"

If you wish to post your favorite translation of 1 Cor. 6:9, and use it to condemn ALL gays, post it and give us your reason to pick that particular translation. Explain your exegesis of the verse to come up with any blanket condemnation about homosexual. I can in detail explain my pick of the YLT and the Interlinear Translation, and show why those are the accurate translations.

I can explain why I think the translations I mentioned are correct. Can anyone differ, and explain their verse and their reasons that they think it is correct? When it comes to the word "sodomites", most religious people use their own definition not Standard English. I can explain why I believe the word "sodomite" fits, and any form of "homosexual" does not fit.
Re:The bold text above.
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"...For someone to use "sodomite" in reference to a gay, is to show oneself to be an ignorant abusive bigot."


Can you explain that?

If standard English is the issue, then Homosexual is the proper term by definition.

Whereas gay in its original form, definition, as used by the Homosexual community today is not.

Further and lastly, I think your commitment to excuse,defend, Homosexual Sodomy and by allusion Sodomites, is deplorable.
Making a defense for a sin,and those who commit that sin, that God decreed is worthy of death because He judges it abomination,is not of God. Nor is such a defense inspired within nor by His word.
There is no difference in God's judgement between Homosexual Sodomites who sin in a "loving" relationship and those who sin as single sexually active Homosexual Sodomite,fornicators.

The only Homosexual that is
right with God are those
redeemed by Christ from their sin and are celibate.

However,then they are not rightly labeled Homosexual. Because,as their community will insist, they are not who they have sex with!

However,they always make their sexual identity priority when acting as activists in public,or during their pride march. And at any other opportunity that affords itself.


Therefore,just as straights are not labeled Heterosexual, nor should the celibate Homosexual be identified as such.


Sexual acts are not who someone is.
Unfortunately this is unknown to the Homosexual activist community. They proudly march so to make a public spectacle of their sexual identity.

They're "Gay and proud".
That prideful march comes to a dead stop when they meet God at the judgement seat.
 

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Who has ever heard of an "Edward's Unabridged Dictionary of 2024"? Give us a link or a way to research that dictionary. :laughing:

I'll give you better than a liink. I can let you talk to the Author and you can ask him...

Hi Arthur, my name's Edward. Do you have some questions about my Unabridged dictionary?
 

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The Most Accurate Translation of 1 Cor. 6:9 and why I believe it so
"Or know ye not that unrighteous men will not inherit [the] kingdom of God? Be not led astray; not fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor voluptuous persons nor sodomites..." 1 Cor. 6:9
(Literal English translation by Rev. Alford Marshall, used with both RSV and NIV Interlinear NT's)

Malakos as used in the Septuagint:

(40:22) "Will he address thee with a petition? softly/malakos, with the voice of a suppliant?" (Job 41:3, LXXE) *The Greek here replaces the Hebrew H7390, "tender" or "weak".

"In long-suffering is prosperity to kings, and a soft/malakos tongue breaks the bones." (Prov 25:15, LXXE) *The Greek malakos here again replaces the Hebrew H7390, "tender" or "weak".

"The words of cunning knaves are soft/malakos; but they smite even to the inmost parts of the bowels." (Prov 26:22, LXXE) *The Greek here replaces H3859 meaning "to burn in" or "to rankle" translated in the KJV as "wounds" see -
same verse are translated in the KJV
"The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly." (Prov 26:22, KJV)

Malakos as used in the NT apart from 1 Cor. 6:9:

"But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft/malakos raiment? behold, they that wear soft/malakos clothing are in kings' houses." (Matt 11:8, KJV)

"But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft/malakos raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts." (Luke 7:25, KJV)
* Here malakos is associated with gorgeous apparel and living delicately.

See "effeminate" as defined in the 1828 Webster's:

"EFFEM'INATE, a. 1. Having the qualities of the female sex; soft or delicate to an unmanly degree; tender; womanish; voluptuous.
The king, by his voluptuous life and mean marriage, became effeminate, and less sensible of honor."

Meyer's Critical & Exegetical Comm. on the NT, Heinrich A. W. Meyer (1800-1873):
"μαλακοί ] effeminates , commonly understood as qui muliebria patiuntur , but with no sufficient evidence from the usage of the language (the passages in Wetstein and Kypke, even Dion. Hal. vii. 2, do not prove the point); moreover, such catamites ( molles ) were called πόρνοι or κίναιδοι . One does not see, moreover, why precisely this sin should be mentioned twice over in different aspects. Rather therefore: effeminate luxurious livers . Comp Aristotle, Eth. vii. 7 : μαλακὸς καὶ τρυφῶν , Xen. Mem. ii. 1, 20, also μαλακῶς , iii. 11. 10 : τρυφὴ δὲ καὶ μαλθακία , Plato, Rep. p. 590 B."

The Expositor's Greek Testament; Sir William Robertson Nicoll (1851-1923), Scottish Free Church:
"μαλακοί , soft, voluptuous , appears in this connexion to signify general addiction to sins of the flesh; lexical ground is wanting for the sense of pathici , suggested to some interpreters by the following word and by the use of molles in Latin."

The Liddell-Scott-Jones Lexicon of Classical Greek under μᾰλᾰκός/malakos gives no meaning resembling a catamite: μαλακός - Ancient Greek (LSJ)

The LSJ gives the exact Greek word for a "catamite" and it is not malakos:

Arsenokoites is found only twice in the NT, both in Paul's epistles, 1 Cor. 6:9 & 1 Tim. 1:10. It seems to be a word coined by Paul for it is found nowhere else earlier and it is about 100 years after Paul before the word occurs again and then in a list of economic injustices. The compound word is said by some to be based on Lev. 18:22 in the LXX. Here is the literal Greek of Lev. 18:22 -

"And with a man(αρσενος) you shall not go to bed in a marriage-bed(κοιτην) in the feminine way; for it is an abomination." (Lev 18:22, ABPen)

Arsenokoites in 1 Cor. 6:9 seems clear it is a sexual sin between two males and the same is true in Lev. 18:22 so I'm not sure what the connection is meant to convey to our understanding of the word. Paul quotes verses out of Leviticus five times, six times if he wrote Hebrews; but he does not quote Lev. 18:22. Yet Paul does use the Greek koites in ways we get an idea of his meaning: if he wrote Hebrews in 13:4 the word represents the marriage bed, and in Romans 9:10 for conception. A third time he uses koites in a vice list:

"Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering(koites) and wantonness, not in strife and envying." (Rom 13:13, KJV)

From the 1828 Webster's:
CHAMBERING, n. Wanton, lewd, immodest behavior. Rom 13.
LEWD, a.
1. Given to the unlawful indulgence of lust; addicted to fornication or adultery; dissolute; lustful; libidinous.

That gives an idea of the meaning of koites when used in a vice list referring to opposite sex sinful conduct. Paul used the word arsenokoites in 1 Tim 1:9, 10 where there is a structure or categorical listing of vices:

"Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for arsenokoites, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" (1Tim 1:9-10, KJV)

There arsenokoites is between "whoremongers" and "menstealers", so an abusive element is introduced to the word along with the chambering, the lewdness.

The KJV uses a key word "abusers" in 1 Cor. 6:9 and "defile" in 1 Tim. 1:10 in reference to arsenokoites and the 1828 Webster's defines those two words as follows:

"DEFILE, v.t. 5. To corrupt chastity; to debauch; to violate; to tarnish the purity of character by lewdness.
Schechem defiled Dinah. Gen 34."
"ABU'SER, n. One who abuses, in speech or behavior; one that deceives; a ravisher; a sodomite. 1 Cor 6."

The ONLY variation in manuscripts is where a few read "God's kingdom" and most "the kingdom of God".
 
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