Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

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Open your eyes and read how the 1828 Webster's defines the KJV words as I recorded in my posts. You can also get a hint from what it means for one to "sodomize" another person. That is the act of a sodomite.

Go to the Merriam-Webster and read about standard English versus offensive language -

"sodomite often offensive : someone who practices sodomy —>used as a term of abuse and disparagement for a gay person"

For someone to use "sodomite" in reference to a gay, is to show oneself to be an ignorant abusive bigot.
The people who wrote the Bible were ignorant, abusive bigots?
 

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Open your eyes and read how the 1828 Webster's defines the KJV words as I recorded in my posts. You can also get a hint from what it means for one to "sodomize" another person. That is the act of a sodomite.

Go to the Merriam-Webster and read about standard English versus offensive language -

"sodomite often offensive : someone who practices sodomy —>used as a term of abuse and disparagement for a gay person"

For someone to use "sodomite" in reference to a gay, is to show oneself to be an ignorant abusive bigot.
No.
Sodomy is the word derived from Sodomie, "unnatural sexual relations". And that describes anal sex .

The Bible condemns same sex sex. The only orifice by which

a male can penetrate another male is the anal cavity. Which is an unnatural sex act. Because the rectum is not made for sexual penetration.

1300, sodomie, "unnatural sexual relations," such as those customs imputed to the inhabitants of Biblical Sodom, especially between men but also with beasts, from Old French sodomie. Compare Late Latin peccatum Sodomiticum "anal sex," literally "the sin of Sodom," from Latin Sodoma. In Middle English also synne Sodomyke (early 14c.).

Therefore, those who commit the act of sodomy are sodomites.

That Webster's conforms itself to pacifying the LGBTQ community does not vacate the truth.
 

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It would be a sin to show compassion to @Arthur81--anyone who knows the Scripture knows there are times when God PROHIBITS compassion, meaning that "compassion" in such cases is faux "compassion", not real compassion (compassion that God commands is the only true compassion)--because he's not merely good-willed and honestly mistaken, but KNOWINGLY at war with God's Word, attempting to etch out a place for himself among God's people, so as to infect the body and subvert God's authority (God's backs His Word by His authority). He is knowingly rebelling--he's been at this for YEARS, and has been SOUNDLY corrected over and over and over again--thus, in my opinion, no one should show any leniency or compassion on him. Scripture has already laid down the precedent for this, and it is my opinion that it applies here.
 
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Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible, Copyright 2000
"The terms 'homosexuality' and 'homosexual' are coinages of the 19th century C.E. and have no equivalent in ancient Hebrew or Greek. It is debatable whether the modern idea of homosexuality (an erotic attraction focused only or primarily on persons of the same gender) existed at all in antiquity. The Bible does not appear to say anything directly about homosexuality in this modern sense of the term, but a few passages do refer to same-gender genital acts." page 602

New Bible Dictionary, Third Edition, IVP Copyright 1996
"The Bible says nothing specifically about the homosexual condition (despite the rather misleading RSV [1st Ed]translation of 1 Cor. 6:9], but its condemnations of homosexual conduct are explicit. The scope of these strictures must, however, be carefully determined. Too often they have been used as tools of a homophobic polemic which has claimed too much." page 478

Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Second Edition, Copyright 2001, Baker Reference Library
"Traditionally homosexuality was the sin for which Sodom was destroyed by divine judgment, hence the popular term 'sodomy.' This interpretation depends upon uncertain translation, while Ezekiel 16:48-50 and Sirach 16:8-9 give other reasons for the judgment. The assumption of homosexuality in Sodom dates from the Greek occupation of Palestine, when 'the Greek sin' seriously endangered Jewish youth and strong scriptural warning was necessary... It is usually assumed that the male cult prostitutes common in heathen shrines but forbidden in Israel (Deut. 23:17), though sometimes prevalent (1 Kings 14:24; 15:12; 22:46; 2 Kings 23:7), were homosexual." page 574

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Fully Revised, Vol. 4, 1988, Eerdmans
"...how did Paul understand the homosexual behavior he condemned? Evidently he understood it as freely chosen (cf. 'exchanged,' 'gave up') by people for whom heterosexual relations were 'natural,' and as chosen (by heterosexual people) because of their insatiable lust ('consumed with passion')." page 437

From The Ethics of Sex, Copyright 1964, by Helmut Thielicke (1908-1986) German Protestant theologian and rector of the University of Hamburg from 1960 to 1978 -
"One cannot expect to find in the theological ethics of German-speaking Protestantism a clear, consistent attitude toward homosexuality simply because hitherto the writers on ethics have taken little or no notice of the mere fact itself and therefore a body of opinion -- to say nothing of the unanimity of judgement -- is almost non-existent... Doctrinaire prejudices, which at the same time distort the theological problem presented by homosexuality, manifest themselves also in the fact that the value-judgment "homosexuality is sinful" is not isolated from an objective assessment of the phenomenon but is rather projected into it, and the result is that one arrives at an a priori defamation of those who are afflicted with this anomaly." page 269, 270

1646 First London Confession of Faith of Particular Baptists
"...if any man shall impose upon us anything that we see not to be commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ, we should in His strength rather embrace all reproaches and tortures of men, to be stripped of all outward comforts, and if it were possible, to die a thousand deaths, rather than to do anything against the least tittle of the truth of God or against the light of our own consciences."
**The words sodomy and sodomite were coined over 1000 years AFTER Christ.... homosexual & homosexuality 1900+ years AFTER Christ!

Westminster Confession of Faith, 1647
"God alone is Lord of the conscience, and hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men, which are in any thing contrary to His Word; or beside it, in matters of faith or worship."

The 1689 Second London Confession of Faith of Baptists
"God alone is Lord of the conscience, and has left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are in any thing contrary to his word, or not contained in it." Retained almost identical wording from the Westminster

The 2000 Southern Baptist Faith and Message
"God alone is Lord of the conscience, and He has left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are contrary to His Word or not contained in it." Virtually Identical to the 1647 Westminster as well

A person who is same-sex oriented has a right to keep his secret. It is the lies and gossip that are condemned.

Prov 11:13 (REB) "A tale-bearer gives away secrets, but a trustworthy person respects a confidence."
also
Prov 20:19 (REB) "A gossip will betray secrets, so have nothing to do with a tale-bearer."
 

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Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible, Copyright 2000
"The terms 'homosexuality' and 'homosexual' are coinages of the 19th century C.E. and have no equivalent in ancient Hebrew or Greek. It is debatable whether the modern idea of homosexuality (an erotic attraction focused only or primarily on persons of the same gender) existed at all in antiquity. The Bible does not appear to say anything directly about homosexuality in this modern sense of the term, but a few passages do refer to same-gender genital acts." page 602

New Bible Dictionary, Third Edition, IVP Copyright 1996
"The Bible says nothing specifically about the homosexual condition (despite the rather misleading RSV [1st Ed]translation of 1 Cor. 6:9], but its condemnations of homosexual conduct are explicit. The scope of these strictures must, however, be carefully determined. Too often they have been used as tools of a homophobic polemic which has claimed too much." page 478

Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Second Edition, Copyright 2001, Baker Reference Library
"Traditionally homosexuality was the sin for which Sodom was destroyed by divine judgment, hence the popular term 'sodomy.' This interpretation depends upon uncertain translation, while Ezekiel 16:48-50 and Sirach 16:8-9 give other reasons for the judgment. The assumption of homosexuality in Sodom dates from the Greek occupation of Palestine, when 'the Greek sin' seriously endangered Jewish youth and strong scriptural warning was necessary... It is usually assumed that the male cult prostitutes common in heathen shrines but forbidden in Israel (Deut. 23:17), though sometimes prevalent (1 Kings 14:24; 15:12; 22:46; 2 Kings 23:7), were homosexual." page 574

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Fully Revised, Vol. 4, 1988, Eerdmans
"...how did Paul understand the homosexual behavior he condemned? Evidently he understood it as freely chosen (cf. 'exchanged,' 'gave up') by people for whom heterosexual relations were 'natural,' and as chosen (by heterosexual people) because of their insatiable lust ('consumed with passion')." page 437

From The Ethics of Sex, Copyright 1964, by Helmut Thielicke (1908-1986) German Protestant theologian and rector of the University of Hamburg from 1960 to 1978 -
"One cannot expect to find in the theological ethics of German-speaking Protestantism a clear, consistent attitude toward homosexuality simply because hitherto the writers on ethics have taken little or no notice of the mere fact itself and therefore a body of opinion -- to say nothing of the unanimity of judgement -- is almost non-existent... Doctrinaire prejudices, which at the same time distort the theological problem presented by homosexuality, manifest themselves also in the fact that the value-judgment "homosexuality is sinful" is not isolated from an objective assessment of the phenomenon but is rather projected into it, and the result is that one arrives at an a priori defamation of those who are afflicted with this anomaly." page 269, 270

1646 First London Confession of Faith of Particular Baptists
"...if any man shall impose upon us anything that we see not to be commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ, we should in His strength rather embrace all reproaches and tortures of men, to be stripped of all outward comforts, and if it were possible, to die a thousand deaths, rather than to do anything against the least tittle of the truth of God or against the light of our own consciences."
**The words sodomy and sodomite were coined over 1000 years AFTER Christ.... homosexual & homosexuality 1900+ years AFTER Christ!

Westminster Confession of Faith, 1647
"God alone is Lord of the conscience, and hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men, which are in any thing contrary to His Word; or beside it, in matters of faith or worship."

The 1689 Second London Confession of Faith of Baptists
"God alone is Lord of the conscience, and has left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are in any thing contrary to his word, or not contained in it." Retained almost identical wording from the Westminster

The 2000 Southern Baptist Faith and Message
"God alone is Lord of the conscience, and He has left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are contrary to His Word or not contained in it." Virtually Identical to the 1647 Westminster as well

A person who is same-sex oriented has a right to keep his secret. It is the lies and gossip that are condemned.

Prov 11:13 (REB) "A tale-bearer gives away secrets, but a trustworthy person respects a confidence."
also
Prov 20:19 (REB) "A gossip will betray secrets, so have nothing to do with a tale-bearer."

That's the good thing about the word of God. Even an overthought 10 paragraph treatise on why being gay is ok is over come in a just a couple single veses from scripture. The word of God is like a two edged sword and penetrates deep in a very simple way that is easily understood by anyone...anyone who is not gay at least I guess, lol.
 

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Christians here should be aware by now that gays will attempt to insist they are just fine being in gay sexual relationships.
Remember the one Tin Man that was a vocal LGBTQ proponent?

Gays have websites. And even their own gay Bible.

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That's the good thing about the word of God. Even an overthought 10 paragraph treatise on why being gay is ok is over come in a just a couple single veses from scripture. The word of God is like a two edged sword and penetrates deep in a very simple way that is easily understood by anyone...anyone who is not gay at least I guess, lol.
The word of God - "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," (1Cor 6:9 KJV) *Nothing there about homosexuals

1828 Websters "effeminate, 1. Having the qualities of the female sex; soft or delicate to an unmanly degree; tender; womanish; voluptuous.
The king, by his voluptuous life and mean marriage, became effeminate, and less sensible of honor."
"Abusers, One who abuses, in speech or behavior; one that deceives; a ravisher; a sodomite. 1 Cor 6."
"Ravisher, 1. One that takes by violence. 2. One that forces a woman to his carnal embrace."

The word of God - "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" (1Tim 1:10 KJV)

1828 Websters "defile, 5. To corrupt chastity; to debauch; to violate; to tarnish the purity of character by lewdness. Schechem defiled Dinah. Gen 34." *Read Genesis 34 and you see it is about rape!

That is true, the "word of God" sets things right!


"have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites," (1Cor 6:9 YLT)
"whoremongers, sodomites, men-stealers, liars, perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that to sound doctrine is adverse," (1Tim 1:10 YLT)

I know of no English dictionary that defines "effeminate" as homosexual, catamite or sodomite. I do not know any thesaurus that gives sodomite and homosexual as synonymous. If any is found, they are surely off the charts for sure!
 

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On the right is their "queen James Bible".
I suppose you are aware that King James though married, had three male lovers in his life -
 

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I suppose you are aware that King James though married, had three male lovers in his life -
That's a lie.

I won't go into the historic truth of how that lie was invented against the king.

However,it is a lie homosexuals who defend their sin have used for years to impugn the character of one who approved the printing of the book that condemns their sodomy.

God says you and all of us,will answer to Him for every word.

You should worry.
 

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This is immoral.
This is perverted.
This is not "love".
This is not natural...

God does not accept this, and will never, and neither should you do if you are a CHRISTian.
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The gays have to not only pervert sexuality, but, hating even their own selves, they even pervert homosexuality, denying its sterility in adopting children to pretend to be what they never can be. It's perversion upon perversion. God can save.
 

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The word of God - "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," (1Cor 6:9 KJV) *Nothing there about homosexuals

Yeah sometimes the Shakesperian language of the KJV isn't as clear as we'd like it to be. Let's read a more modern translation of that same verse, shall we?

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,
10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.
11 Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.../NLT

So when somebody says, hey the bibe says this or that but you never seen that before, what do you do? Try reading some different translations of the same passage to give clarity.

Now those words are not my words. I did not make them up. The Translators picked the words. I knew before that what it meant but since you brought it up I decided time to look closer at different translations of it. See what I found?! Biblegateway.com is an awesome resource because it has I think prolly hundreds of different translations to easily choose from.

Myself? I'm really starting to like that New Living Translation (NLT)!
Besides, what's not effeminate about a man penetrating another man as with a woman? Look around you in nature and see the clues. The females get penetrated and bear fruit in their offspring. WHere is the gays fruit? They have none.

On the plus side we have looking forward to a Heaven without gays! Wont that be nice?!!!

Not one gay. Not one drag queen. Not one transformer. And no gays in the Millenium! Or at the very least, they will be deep deep in the closet, lol!
 

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1828 Websters "effeminate, 1. Having the qualities of the female sex; soft or delicate to an unmanly degree; tender; womanish; voluptuous.

Oh yeah? Name one voluptutuous man.

Here's the Edward's Unabridged Dictionary of 2024 for Effeminate:
1. Having the qualities of the female sex; soft or delicate to an unmanly degree; tender; womanish; voluptuous.
2. One who is penetrated sexually by a man.


I know of no English dictionary that defines "effeminate" as homosexual, catamite or sodomite. I do not know any thesaurus that gives sodomite and homosexual as synonymous. If any is found, they are surely off the charts for sure!

That's ok though because I dont need any $100.+ books to explain to me in 4000 pages that going up inside another mans butt is ok and not an abomination to God. I have the book of Truth.

Not a book of truth, The Book of Truth. I learned in two verses that being gay is wrong. So my Book is better than your book. Like I respect the wisdom of the world, Ha!