Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[TinMan]

Contrary to your view, data does not compel a unique conclusion. Even so, scientists have decided that repeatability is a reliable means to guard against bias. But what if all the scientists share the same bias? What then?

The only one expressing bias is you

No kidding. Ever heard of puberty?

What are you talking about?

Are you kidding? What do you think I mean when I use the phrase male-to-male orientation? Two people with a penis right?

Give us a break.

You have denied the meaning and existence of orientation.

 

[TinMan]

You keep asking questions already answered multiple times. Do you admit homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible?

And you refuse to answer. what Evil was 8 year old Gabriel doing?

 

[Lizbeth]

Did you view this?

The LGBTQ crowd have become the leper outcasts as a result.
WWJD with LGBTQ?
Would he embrace them. or go after them with an angry whip?

It's not for us to judge the lost. However, the question isn't whether Jesus would accept a sinner, but whether the sinner would accept Him and His word. I can tell you He didn't and doesn't embrace anyone's sins, whatever they are. He would simply preach the truth in love and leave it up to the person whether to receive Him and His word or not.

And just to say, churches don't exist for the purpose of having a social club for people of the world, but to build up and encourage believers who are obeying and following Christ and are no longer of the world.

 

[St. SteVen]

The only clear negative consequence is that they have to deal with people like you.

Exactly. - LOL
The gay-bashers need to own their part in a 40% suicide rate among gays. It's murder.

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[St. SteVen]

It's not for us to judge the lost.

You just did. (by calling them "lost")

However, the question isn't whether Jesus would accept a sinner, but whether the sinner would accept Him and His word. I can tell you He didn't and doesn't embrace anyone's sins, whatever they are. He would simply preach the truth in love and leave it up to the person whether to receive Him and His word or not.

You obviously haven't watched any of the videos. What are you afraid of?
Christians are discovering that they are gay. If they come out, the response of the church is to reject them.
The churches are attended by closet gays (whom you consider lost) that fear to come out.

Were you, or someone you know, a Tomboy as a girl?
Preferred to dress like a boy, play baseball and climb trees with the boys?
There's a double standard. What do we do if a boy wears a pink T-shirt and plays with dolls?
And we wonder why parenting small children is so awkward for men.

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[Wrangler]

And you refuse to answer. what Evil was 8 year old Gabriel doing?

I am not refusing to answer. You know that homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible, right?

You want to pretend the sin against the 8 year old was unprovoked by the evil of the 8 year old. This is untrue.

 

[Lizbeth]

You just did. (by calling them "lost")


You obviously haven't watched any of the videos. What are you afraid of?
Christians are discovering that they are gay. If they come out, the response of the church is to reject them.
The churches are attended by closet gays (whom you consider lost) that fear to come out.

Were you, or someone you know, a Tomboy as a girl?
Preferred to dress like a boy, play baseball and climb trees with the boys?
There's a double standard. What do we do if a boy wears a pink T-shirt and plays with dolls?
And we wonder why parenting small children is so awkward for men.

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Anyone who doesn't know Christ, being born again of the Spirit, is a lost soul, that is just a fact. As all believers once were before encountering the Lord and being born again. That is not judging anyone, any more than saying so-and-so is tall or is a life insurance salesman or wears glasses is a condemnation, it is just a fact. I know I once was lost. Now I don't believe we should make a point of going around telling unbelievers to their face that they are lost, unless the Lord specifically leads us to say so in a specific situation, and it could either be stated as a rebuke or in a kindly manner, as the Holy Spirit leads or the situation calls for. Unbelievers just generally wouldn't understand until/unless they come to Christ and receive His Spirit within, but keep in mind that sometimes we are not speaking to flesh and blood but powers and principalities. And here on a Christian forum or in any other Christian gathering, we discuss these things freely among ourselves.

Parenting small children isn't awkward for most fathers, unless someone had a really bad role model. And there is a difference between girls and boys, male and female. I wouldn't have encouraged my daughter to play with toy soldiers because of knowing she was likely going to need nurturing skills one day as a mother, or as an aunt or helping out a neighbour with their children. But I wouldn't have discouraged my sons from playing with toy soldiers because of knowing they may well need skills to protect their family or country one day when they grow up. Even apes and monkeys have sense enough to "socialize" their offspring to the norms of what has helped them survive as a species. Scripture tells us to bring up children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, and to train them up in the way that they should go. You don't let children tell you how to raise them. More children are becoming homosexual/transgender etc, nowadays just because those spirits were allowed to flourish with no banner of God's word being raised against them. Wrestling not with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities here.......the way that seemeth right to man just lets things flourish that shouldn't.

Are you a born again Christian? And you can read? So then you ought to realize the spiritual nature of the battle we are in. And we shouldn't be blind to the manipulative nature of what is going on in the attempt to get us to back down from what God's word clearly says. Playing on emotions to make us feel sorry for folks and go by our fleshly emotions, false accusations to make us feel bad, throwing sand in the form of distracting arguments in our faces to try and confuse the issues and veer us off track etc, etc. Oh we are not ignorant of the wiles of the enemy. We can have compassion by all means, but that doesn't change the truth of what the word of God says one iota.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The claim was made that any abuse homosexuals receive is their own fault because they are evil. It is the topic.

You misconstrued what he said. He didn't say that they deserved abuse.

You: The evidence is pretty conclusive...Over time the cumulative effects of experiencing hate and discrimination, particularly when social and familial support is absent, leads directly to mental health problems.

Wrangler: ‘Experiencing hate and discrimination,’ as you call it, tends to happen when you do something EVIL.

We can see from the text above that Wrangler was responding to your claim that homosexuals suffer health problems because they suffer hate and discrimination. He didn't claim, as you wrongly assert, that they deserved it. I note two things here: 1) Wrangler put "hate and discrimination" in quotes, which alerts the reader that he wasn't talking about actual hate and discrimination. 2) Wrangler used the phrase "tends to happen", which speaks to a probable occurrence.

We might ask Wrangler what he meant by "hate and discrimination," putting the words in quotes. It's possible he was quoting your words as if to say, "You said it, I didn't." or he might have meant, "What you call hate and discrimination, I wouldn't classify that way."

In any case, he didn't suggest that they deserved what they got.

And the studies also say why. But you seem to be ignoring that.

That's right, and that's my point. The " why " question is a philosophical question, not a scientific one. Philosophical answers are based on presuppositions and an overall worldview. If I don't share the scientist's worldview, I will disagree with his or her conclusions. I encourage you to adopt this same attitude.

We are debating the oughtness of behavior, presumably from a common worldview, developed in the mind of a believer under the influence of the Bible and the Holy Spirit. The presumed basis of right and wrong is the Biblical worldview.

In this debate, you attempt to portray your opinion as "fact-based," making your argument on the authority of scientific papers. Unfortunately, you have a tendency to confuse "opinion" with "facts" since, as I have said, what a scientist concludes from his research is a matter of worldview and philosophical assumption. We are not free to disagree with his facts, but we are free to disagree with his opinions i.e. his conclusions.

According to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration the minorities with the highest rate of substance abuse are Native American's followed by Indigenous Alaskans. LGBT people have about the same level of substance abuse as African Americans and Portio Ricans.

Obviously Black people suffer from substance abuse is because their partners give them drugs to reduce the victim's judgment and lower the victim's resistance.

And Native American's abuse subsance because of the guilt and shame they suffer from

Your equivocal points tend to assume the conclusion you are attempting to prove. I am not convinced that anyone is born into an orientation. Nonetheless, given what you wrote above, we can see that substance abuse is a health problem common to all of humanity in general, not relegated to minorities, as you suggest. In other words, it isn't true that homosexuals experience substance abuse because they are homosexuals.

I am not a Marxist. I don't divide humanity into subclasses in order to draw conclusions about one class of people over another. From a Biblical perspective, all human beings are the same. I am no less worthy of love than my neighbor, and my neighbor is no less worthy of love than me. I am no less worthy of dignity than my neighbor, and he is no less worthy of dignity than me. Christ teaches us to love others as we would love ourselves; we are to love our enemies; we are to pray for those who unjustly persecute us; and in Christ, there is neither male nor female, Jew or Gentile; Slave or Free.

The question of right and wrong has universal application. Being a minority is not an excuse.

The only clear negative consequence is that they have to deal with people like you.

Apparently, your purpose is to discredit my argument by associating me with bad people. Your leaps of logic are astounding.

Is hate one of those values? What about false witness?

More leaps of logic? Really? Do you know what I mean when I say that you have put words in my mouth? I wonder.
I argue that knitting* is a behavior rather than a state of being, and I also believe that a person is not born with a certain orientation. Therefore, it is unfair to accuse me of discrimination. My comments were focused on actions, not individuals.

*insert: homosexuality

You claim these people don't exist.

I claim that "transgenderism" is not a valid or meaningful category. The concept of "gender identity" is absurd and irrational. A woman isn't a man, simply because she identifies as a man. Neither is a man a woman, simply because he identifies as a woman. A woman isn't an American Indian simply because she identifies as an American Indian, and a man is not an African American simply because he identifies as an African American.

In practice, gender identity is nothing more than cosplay and a LARP (Live Action Role Playing)

you call them sick and diseased

I affirm what Paul the apostle said. Homosexual behavior is a clear indication that God has given human beings over to a depraved mind because humanity has failed to acknowledge God and even suppress knowledge about him. When a man lays down with another man as with a woman, he is driven by his pleasures, having abandoned his rationality. He wears on his body the every evidence against him.

they are unable to find positive role models

How can an openly wicked and perverse person be a positive role model?

they cannot develop a strong sense of identity

That's correct. The madness of our culture can't seem to see beyond classism, having divided humanity into greater divisions and infinitesimally small categories, each with a supposedly unique grievance and complaint.

Developing a strong sense of identity and self-worth involves increasing self-awareness and decreasing comparison. Our uniqueness as individuals is what gives us our sense of self-worth. When we are constantly reminded of being part of a particular class of people, it devalues our uniqueness and overemphasizes our sameness. Those who constantly focus on gender feel unable or unwilling to find dignity within themselves as individuals. For them, connectivity is paramount.

For instance, I would rather be known as a good father, or a good husband, rather than a white man. My ability to provide and protect my family is a strong basis for my self-worth and dignity.

You call them wicked and evil

Prove me wrong.

it becomes a matter of intolerance, prejudice, or bigotry when such things are used to promote and justify intolerance, prejudice, or bigotry

Circular much? :)
Again, we are discussing behaviors, not people.

 

[Lizbeth]

I am not refusing to answer. You know that homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible, right?

You want to pretend the sin against the 8 year old was unprovoked by the evil of the 8 year old. This is untrue.

The devil tempts by putting a thought into a child's head, and then the child chooses to believe what the devil said over the truth. That is what happens to all human beings to cause us to fall into sin....ALL have sinned, ALL have FALLEN short of the glory of God. Same pattern as Eve happens to us all, sometimes the temptation is greater because of trying to cope with adverse circumstances and believing the lie of the devil's solution......and sometimes it isn't because of an adverse situation at all but entirely just because of putting self before God, as in the case of Eve. She disobeyed God/truth because of coveting the fruit of the wrong Tree that was desirable for food and to make one wise as gods. Either way we covet to have the upper hand instead of submitting to God. It's really rebellion at the bottom of it. And we do suffer for it under God's sovereign watch...that is His way of trying to teach us not to touch that hot stove again. For those who are willing to learn.

 

[St. SteVen]

Anyone who doesn't know Christ, being born again of the Spirit, is a lost soul, that is just a fact.

- Would you call a Christian liar, lost?
- Would you call a Christian glutton, lost?
- Would you call a Christian alcoholic, lost?
- Would you call a Christian adulterer, lost?
- Would you call a Christian gay person, lost?

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[CadyandZoe]

The only one expressing bias is you

We are all expressing bias. The question is which one of us has the correct point of view.

What are you talking about?

Puberty is a crucial stage in an adolescent's life where they attain sexual maturity and become capable of reproduction. The Greeks referred to this stage as "telos," a state of complete maturity that a living being such as a tree or a person attains. Puberty marks the transition from childhood to adulthood, and it is at this stage that an individual has reached their telos and entered into adulthood.

Puberty marks the stage where the body becomes capable of reproduction. It is the final step towards sexual maturity, which is essential for reproduction. Only one sexual orientation is compatible with reproduction, and this fact is widely known. A mature man possesses reproductive organs that can transfer his genetic material to a woman. Similarly, a mature woman has reproductive organs that can receive genetic material and support the growth of a developing human being.

The concept of "sexual orientation" is not related to physical sex, but rather to gender identity. Sexual orientation refers to a person's identity in terms of the gender(s) they are attracted to. It is not something that is inherent at birth unless all likes, dislikes, preferences, attractions, and desires are a matter of the physical genetic code, rather than the mind, heart, spirit, or any other metaphysical source of our attractions.

It is believed by some that a man's love for his wife is not a matter of personal preference, but rather a result of predetermined attraction. In other words, the man is not selecting a woman based on her unique qualities and characteristics, but is rather drawn to her solely because she is female.

Choose your worldview wisely.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

No! The problem is that you basically say "defiled homosexual love is wrong" but then you don't say "undefiled homosexual love is right".

Whose business is it, whether a man has pure love or not?

God is Love. We share in that unconditional love "in Christ". How did we get there? God draws us to Himself, to a place where we admit our sin. Godly sorrow led us to Christ. We saw the sins in ourselves and realized that our ways were wrong and we needed forgiveness and we asked. But many who go to church have not been born again, are not " in Christ".
Homosexuals may go-to Church, be drawn to all the goodness of God, but refuse to examine themselves and actually experience godly sorrow for sins that are spelled out in scripture ( Romans 1:24-28). They do not ask for forgiveness for this sin because they refuse to accept that it is a sin. They distort it, deny it or misinterpret it. So they aren't really repenting, they continue. "I'll do this, this and that ... but I won't give up homosexual relations." I think God is merciful in that He gives them time as He gives a lifetime for some who get saved just before death. But this particular sin is an abomination to God. God knows who will and who won't be saved and so He "let's them go to have their way", likely long before their death. Once He does that, the individual has already been judged, they will remain in their sin, die in their sin.
IN Revelation 2 & 3 we see churches with sin, warned to repent or else. Pergamum was where Satan dwelled, Sardis was a dead church with only a few that would be saved, Thyatira had a false prophetess leading the congregation into sexual sin. God gave her time but then judged her: "Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds." Rev. 2:20-23
But in Romans 1:24, with this particular sin, God let's them go, "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another."

 

[TinMan]

I am not refusing to answer. You know that homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible, right?

You want to pretend the sin against the 8 year old was unprovoked by the evil of the 8 year old. This is untrue.

What evil did he do to deserve being force fed feces?
What evil did he do to deserve being shot?
What evil did he do to deserve being mutilated?
What evil did he do to deserve being burned?
What evil did he do to deserve all of his bones broken?
What evil did he do to deserve his murder at the hands of his own parents?

 

[TinMan]

Anyone who doesn't know Christ, being born again of the Spirit, is a lost soul, that is just a fact. As all believers once were before encountering the Lord and being born again. That is not judging anyone, any more than saying so-and-so is tall or is a life insurance salesman or wears glasses is a condemnation, it is just a fact. I know I once was lost. Now I don't believe we should make a point of going around telling unbelievers to their face that they are lost, unless the Lord specifically leads us to say so in a specific situation, and it could either be stated as a rebuke or in a kindly manner, as the Holy Spirit leads or the situation calls for. Unbelievers just generally wouldn't understand until/unless they come to Christ and receive His Spirit within, but keep in mind that sometimes we are not speaking to flesh and blood but powers and principalities. And here on a Christian forum or in any other Christian gathering, we discuss these things freely among ourselves.

Parenting small children isn't awkward for most fathers, unless someone had a really bad role model. And there is a difference between girls and boys, male and female. I wouldn't have encouraged my daughter to play with toy soldiers because of knowing she was likely going to need nurturing skills one day as a mother, or as an aunt or helping out a neighbour with their children. But I wouldn't have discouraged my sons from playing with toy soldiers because of knowing they may well need skills to protect their family or country one day when they grow up. Even apes and monkeys have sense enough to "socialize" their offspring to the norms of what has helped them survive as a species. Scripture tells us to bring up children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, and to train them up in the way that they should go. You don't let children tell you how to raise them. More children are becoming homosexual/transgender etc, nowadays just because those spirits were allowed to flourish with no banner of God's word being raised against them. Wrestling not with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities here.......the way that seemeth right to man just lets things flourish that shouldn't.

Are you a born again Christian? And you can read? So then you ought to realize the spiritual nature of the battle we are in. And we shouldn't be blind to the manipulative nature of what is going on in the attempt to get us to back down from what God's word clearly says. Playing on emotions to make us feel sorry for folks and go by our fleshly emotions, false accusations to make us feel bad, throwing sand in the form of distracting arguments in our faces to try and confuse the issues and veer us off track etc, etc. Oh we are not ignorant of the wiles of the enemy. We can have compassion by all means, but that doesn't change the truth of what the word of God says one iota.

After reading this I really hope you never have children

 

[TinMan]

You misconstrued what he said. He didn't say that they deserved abuse.

You want to pretend the sin against the 8 year old was unprovoked by the evil of the 8 year old. This is untrue.

You: The evidence is pretty conclusive...Over time the cumulative effects of experiencing hate and discrimination, particularly when social and familial support is absent, leads directly to mental health problems.

Wrangler: ‘Experiencing hate and discrimination,’ as you call it, tends to happen when you do something EVIL.

We can see from the text above that Wrangler was responding to your claim that homosexuals suffer health problems because they suffer hate and discrimination. He didn't claim, as you wrongly assert, that they deserved it.

He said the hate happens and is justified because the victim was engaged in evil.

In any case, he didn't suggest that they deserved what they got.

See his quote above

That's right, and that's my point. The " why " question is a philosophical question, not a scientific one. Philosophical answers are based on presuppositions and an overall worldview. If I don't share the scientist's worldview, I will disagree with his or her conclusions. I encourage you to adopt this same attitude.

Sorry I won't join you and lie about the evidence.

We are debating the oughtness of behavior, presumably from a common worldview, developed in the mind of a believer under the influence of the Bible and the Holy Spirit. The presumed basis of right and wrong is the Biblical worldview.

How does your worldview make false witness good?

In this debate, you attempt to portray your opinion as "fact-based," making your argument on the authority of scientific papers. Unfortunately, you have a tendency to confuse "opinion" with "facts" since, as I have said, what a scientist concludes from his research is a matter of worldview and philosophical assumption. We are not free to disagree with his facts, but we are free to disagree with his opinions i.e. his conclusions.

You haven't show that any of the research cited is not fact based or that the researchers altered their findings based on their bias or worldview. All you have done is dishonestly accuse them of such.

Your equivocal points tend to assume the conclusion you are attempting to prove. I am not convinced that anyone is born into an orientation. Nonetheless, given what you wrote above, we can see that substance abuse is a health problem common to all of humanity in general, not relegated to minorities, as you suggest. In other words, it isn't true that homosexuals experience substance abuse because they are homosexuals.

According to you substance abuse is the result of their partners give them drugs to reduce the victim's judgment and lower the victim's resistance and feeling nothing but guilt and shame. But this is only in regards to LGBT individuals.

I'm glad you don't divide people into subclasses in order to draw conclusions about one class of people over another.

I am not a Marxist. I don't divide humanity into subclasses in order to draw conclusions about one class of people over another.

From a Biblical perspective, all human beings are the same. I am no less worthy of love than my neighbor, and my neighbor is no less worthy of love than me. I am no less worthy of dignity than my neighbor, and he is no less worthy of dignity than me. Christ teaches us to love others as we would love ourselves; we are to love our enemies; we are to pray for those who unjustly persecute us; and in Christ, there is neither male nor female, Jew or Gentile; Slave or Free.

The question of right and wrong has universal application. Being a minority is not an excuse.

So you admit they are a minority.

Apparently, your purpose is to discredit my argument by associating me with bad people. Your leaps of logic are astounding.

I said nothing of the sort here. I did say that the suffering of LGBT people is because of people like you.

More leaps of logic? Really? Do you know what I mean when I say that you have put words in my mouth? I wonder.
I argue that knitting* is a behavior rather than a state of being, and I also believe that a person is not born with a certain orientation. Therefore, it is unfair to accuse me of discrimination. My comments were focused on actions, not individuals.

and your actions show you to discriminate.

I claim that "transgenderism" is not a valid or meaningful category.

No you said it doesn't exist.

The concept of "gender identity" is absurd and irrational. A woman isn't a man, simply because she identifies as a man. Neither is a man a woman, simply because he identifies as a woman. A woman isn't an American Indian simply because she identifies as an American Indian, and a man is not an African American simply because he identifies as an African American.

You should educate yourself on gender identity

In practice, gender identity is nothing more than cosplay and a LARP (Live Action Role Playing)

I affirm what Paul the apostle said. Homosexual behavior is a clear indication that God has given human beings over to a depraved mind because humanity has failed to acknowledge God and even suppress knowledge about him. When a man lays down with another man as with a woman, he is driven by his pleasures, having abandoned his rationality. He wears on his body the every evidence against him.

I'm glad you don't divide people into subclasses in order to draw conclusions about one class of people over another.

How can an openly wicked and perverse person be a positive role model?

Do you have role models?

That's correct. The madness of our culture can't seem to see beyond classism, having divided humanity into greater divisions and infinitesimally small categories, each with a supposedly unique grievance and complaint.

Developing a strong sense of identity and self-worth involves increasing self-awareness and decreasing comparison. Our uniqueness as individuals is what gives us our sense of self-worth.

And you attack and denounce people because they are unique and have the self worth to not lie and pretend to be something they are not.

When we are constantly reminded of being part of a particular class of people, it devalues our uniqueness and overemphasizes our sameness.

Like being a Christian?

Those who constantly focus on gender feel unable or unwilling to find dignity within themselves as individuals. For them, connectivity is paramount.

For instance, I would rather be known as a good father, or a good husband, rather than a white man. My ability to provide and protect my family is a strong basis for my self-worth and dignity.



Prove me wrong.

Circular much? :)
Again, we are discussing behaviors, not people.

Yet you deny others their self worth and dignity.

 

[TinMan]

The devil tempts by putting a thought into a child's head, and then the child chooses to believe what the devil said over the truth. That is what happens to all human beings to cause us to fall into sin....ALL have sinned, ALL have FALLEN short of the glory of God. Same pattern as Eve happens to us all, sometimes the temptation is greater because of trying to cope with adverse circumstances and believing the lie of the devil's solution......and sometimes it isn't because of an adverse situation at all but entirely just because of putting self before God, as in the case of Eve. She disobeyed God/truth because of coveting the fruit of the wrong Tree that was desirable for food and to make one wise as gods. Either way we covet to have the upper hand instead of submitting to God. It's really rebellion at the bottom of it. And we do suffer for it under God's sovereign watch...that is His way of trying to teach us not to touch that hot stove again. For those who are willing to learn.

Is this why 8 year old Gabriel desered to be tortured mutilated and murdered?

 

[TinMan]

The concept of "sexual orientation" is not related to physical sex, but rather to gender identity. Sexual orientation refers to a person's identity in terms of the gender(s) they are attracted to.

You do realize that gay men identify as men right?

It is not something that is inherent at birth unless all likes, dislikes, preferences, attractions, and desires are a matter of the physical genetic code, rather than the mind, heart, spirit, or any other metaphysical source of our attractions.

orientation isn't a like or a preference.

 

[St. SteVen]

Is this why 8 year old Gabriel desered to be tortured mutilated and murdered?

Where is the post about Gabriel? Thanks.

I found it.

Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

‘experiencing hate and discrimination’ as you call it, tends to happen when you do something EVIL. When he was 8 years old Gabriel Fernandez's (google him) parents observed his effeminate behavior and identified him as a homosexual. Over the next several weeks Gabrial was subjected to what I...

www.christianityboard.com

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[GracePeace]

Contrary to your view, data does not compel a unique conclusion. Even so, scientists have decided that repeatability is a reliable means to guard against bias. But what if all the scientists share the same bias? What then?

"Conflict of interest" destroys the very foundation of science they trust in instead of God and God's morality--yet, without morality, which they don't have when they reject Christ, they're left with nothing.

 

[Wrangler]

What evil did he do to deserve being force fed feces?
What evil did he do to deserve being shot?
What evil did he do to deserve being mutilated?
What evil did he do to deserve being burned?
What evil did he do to deserve all of his bones broken?
What evil did he do to deserve his murder at the hands of his own parents?

He did not deserve the sin that was done to him but that does not excuse his sin.
He did not deserve the sin that was done to him but that does not excuse his sin!
He did not deserve the sin that was done to him but that does not excuse his sin!!
He did not deserve the sin that was done to him but that does not excuse his sin!!!!
He did not deserve the sin that was done to him but that does not excuse his sin!!!
He did not deserve the sin that was done to him but that does not excuse his sin!!!!

and one for good luck

He did not deserve the sin that was done to him but that does not excuse his sin!!!!!!

Hope we have succesfully and finally communicated now.