Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

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How do those who marginalize LGBT fare in this list? See bold above. (my emphasis added)

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Things in scripture spoken against are not allowed to be done and are known as works of the flesh, which is sin.
Thos who practice works of the flesh don't have eternal life.
Acts 21:25
But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

1 Corinthians 6:8-10

8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor [b]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.



Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, [a]sexual immorality, wickedness, [b]covetousness, [c]maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

 

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Since that is true, why make such a HUGE deal out of gender identity?
It shouldn't matter, right? No male or female.
Make the church restrooms gender neutral. - LOL

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You know about identity politics?
Well, for those in Christ our identity is found in Christ and not in the practices of the unsaved in the world.
Since we still have a physical body we do recognize the differences, but we dont make it the main priority in life, like they do.
Some future day this will be fully realized when we get new bodies, these old ones are unsuitable for the age of the ressurection

1 Corinthians 15
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made[i] of dust; the second Man is [j]the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the [k]man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we[l] shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Our Final Victory​

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
 

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I think the real problem I am having with the "Christian" response is that we make LGBT a singular thing.
Take a moment to consider what each of those letters stands for.
- Is it a sin to be born with same-sex attraction? (if not acted on)
- Is it a sin for a girl to be a Tomboy? (that's a gender identity issue)

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If it’s not acted on no, but I don’t believe anyone is born with it. Tomboys are not necessarily transgender. I dated some when I was younger. I’m married to one now.
 
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Things in scripture spoken against are not allowed to be done and are known as works of the flesh, which is sin.
Thos who practice works of the flesh don't have eternal life.
If that is true, you are TOAST. - LOL
The question remains. How does the church fare in its position against LGBT according to this list?

Scott Downey said:
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter envy and [h]self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

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This has nothing to do with the subject. The oughtness of homosexuality has nothing to do with how homosexuals are treated. These are two different questions. This is a fallacious appeal to emotion.
It has everything to do with the topic. Homosexuals are vilified and dehumanized constantly because some people think that saying they are wrong means it is OK to lie about them or pretend they don't exist or are just sick individuals like you do regularly.
 
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You know about identity politics?
Well, for those in Christ our identity is found in Christ and not in the practices of the unsaved in the world.
LOL
Tell that to your Tomboy daughter.
Dad: "No, sweetie, you can't have a carpenter's belt. Our identity is in Christ."
Daughter: "Huh? I only want to be like you. What does Jesus have to do with it?"

Smart girl.

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Tell that nonsense to "bisexuals".....
Bi sexuality IS an orientation, and bisexuals don't change their orientation either.
@TinMan , one of the issues you have is that you confuse sexual perversion with "orientation".

Here is what we know about "homosexuality"...

= its immoral behavior, its sexually perverted behavior, and its not accepted by God.
It's not a behavior
it's inborn and unchanging like skin color
People who choose to hate these people like call it perverted as they seem to think such a label justifies false witness, hate, discrimination and even violence
We also know that "Gay's can't reproduce via homosexual sex,
we also know that huge numbers of heterosexuals can't reproduce but since you aren't advocating hatred against them it shows that your prejudice has nothing to do with any reproduction
and we know that Gay's recruit.
We know that this lie has been told for decades.
So, acknowledging that perverse Human behavior framework, a Christian tries to be compassionate, yet not tolerant of "Gay" immorality.
lying and promoting hatred is compassionate?
 

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I already spoke to that, and I think you know very well that is not the attitude or actions of those who are truly children of God. What those parents did was criminal and abhorrent, and not reflective of Christ and true Christianity, or true Christians.
LBGT children of fundamentalist Christians are 80 times more likely to be physically abused by their parents. Do you think what happened to Gabriel is an isolated incident?
 

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If it’s not acted on no, but I don’t believe anyone is born with it. Tomboys are not necessarily transgender. I dated some when I was younger. I’m married to one now.
I used to believe that.
Parents of transgender children report that the child made a clear choice between the ages of 3 to 5 years old.
Which usually connected with earlier happens to confirm the event. There are quite a number of these testimonies on TedX videos.





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It has everything to do with the topic. Homosexuals are vilified and dehumanized constantly because some people think that saying they are wrong means it is OK to lie about them or pretend they don't exist or are just sick individuals like you do regularly.
Homosexuality is a behavior. Vilification is another behavior. The oughtness of homosexual behavior is a different question than the oughtness of vilification. Different issues require different lines of inquiry and discussion.

Your false accusations against me are cute, little one.
 

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that is what I just said. Some will lie usually after years of horrific abuse and usually do so out of fear of their families
If they lie to the scientists, then the studies are flawed. Yes? Get it yet?
 

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If that is true, you are TOAST. - LOL
The question remains. How does the church fare in its position against LGBT according to this list?

Scott Downey said:
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter envy and [h]self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

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I don't 'practice' the works of the flesh, do you?
So the only ones who are toast, are those who continue in their sin, as in continue to practice it.

Acts 3:19
Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

This shows such people to not having been converted, they have no restraint. Christians have died to sin and dont wallow in it any longer, but pigs and dogs do.

2 Peter 2
21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

Matthew 7:6
“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be [a]done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been [b]freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, [c]reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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LBGT children of fundamentalist Christians are 80 times more likely to be physically abused by their parents. Do you think what happened to Gabriel is an isolated incident?
Stop it with the statistics. Have you ever heard the phrase "four out of five dentists approve"? In military terms, one would say, "Don't baffle me with BS."

But as we all know, there is no such thing as an LBGT child.
 
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Homosexuality is a behavior.
No it isn't because someone can be homosexual or heterosexual or bisexual without ever engaged in sexual behavior. You are gay, straight or bi independently of any action or activity you engage in.
Vilification is another behavior. The oughtness of homosexual behavior is a different question than the oughtness of vilification. Different issues require different lines of inquiry and discussion.
Yet there are vilified left in right in this thread,
Your false accusations against me are cute, little one.
you calling me "little one" is rather perverted so I ask you to stop.

as for false accusations...go read your own posts
 

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- Would you call a Christian liar, lost?
- Would you call a Christian glutton, lost?
- Would you call a Christian alcoholic, lost?
- Would you call a Christian adulterer, lost?
- Would you call a Christian gay person, lost?

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It would much more useful to see what GOD says about the matter so let's look into His word:

1Co 6:7-11

Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such WERE some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


1Co 6:12-15

All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.


2Co 5:14-17

For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.



Rom 6:5-18

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead,
and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye WERE the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Being then made FREE FROM SIN, ye became the servants of righteousness.



Scripture also says that if we keep on willfully sinning after coming to a knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins. We better take sin seriously in the body of Christ, and teach others to, otherwise anyone can become as lost as they once were, or even worse. But the body of Christ has a role to play in helping and ministering to someone who is struggling with a sin, in praying for them and over them, encouraging them in the battle against it, and in such things as binding and casting out demons. After having the bath and becoming every whit clean, we are to wash one another's feet, and allow our feet to be washed.

BUT NOT IN TEACHING PEOPLE THAT IT IS OK TO KEEP ON SINNING AFTER COMING TO FAITH IN CHRIST! THAT IS NOT THE TRUTH! IT IS CONTRARY TO WHAT GOD'S WORD TEACHES! FORSAKING DEAD WORKS IS JUST FOUNDATIONAL TO THE FAITH, IT IS CHRISTIANITY 101, AND THEN WE ARE EVEN TO GROW FROM THERE. AND THE SCRIPTURE SAYS WHOEVER BRINGS NOT THIS DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, RECEIVE HIM NOT! THIS IS GRAVELY SERIOUS - ETERNAL DESTINIES ARE AT STAKE! AND THE SPIRITUAL STRENGTH AND HEALTH OF THE CHURCH IN GENERAL!

Heb 6:1

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2Jo 1:9

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.


1Ti 1:6-11

From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.



2Jo 1:10

IF THERE COME ANY UNTO YOU, AND BRING NOT THIS DOCTRINE, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
 

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If you are a practicing homosexual and all of them are, they self-identify with the lifestyle and proclaim their gay pride, they are sexually immoral people. Their witness to the world and God and angels is to proclaim their homosexuality, and all trans people are homosexuals. A woman wants to be a man to have sexual relations with another women, etc...

Revelation 22:14-16
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14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 [b]But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”