Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[BarneyFife]

With all due respect....you don’t know what you are talking about......you would not BELIEVE the things God has showed me ....things I know that I should not tell to anybody.....not even my wife or daughter.....they are too precious and too miraculous .....Anybody that thinks God is remote and will not actually “show His hand” to people is VERY mistaken...Do you think “ Seeing the Light” is just an expression? It ain’t. I’ve Seen it.Ive felt it.Unbelievable.

I know exactly what you're talking about. What Christ has done for the entire universe at Calvary--people generally have no idea, and it would offend them if you told them. Even things that certain teachers have showed me--I have studied further and thought, "Wow, I can't believe I haven't seen this all along!!!" Of course, I know God is revealing these and other things to other people as well. :)

 

[BarneyFife]

Eternal life isn't knowing the Scriptures, eternal life is knowing God. Through the Scriptures we know Him. I'm not praying to my Bible, I'm praying to it's Author. And the Bible isn't Who lives in me, the Holy Spirit does. And He is not a silent partner!

People talk about "why should God let you into heaven" as if we're sitting outside somewhere, trying to convince the Master to let us in.

I suppose I've spent the greater portion of my life feeling like I was "outside", failing to realize that there is a Person Who is here with me, Who loves me fully, and Who will share my life with me. God's participation with me in my life is a big part of Why I was created, I think. At least according as I read the Scriptures.

I don't think God intends that we just memorize a book and trust in an abstraction.

"I will not leave you alone, but I will come to you", Jesus promised them. Does He do the same with us?

Jesus spoke of the disciples leaving Him, but He said He won't be alone, because the Father is with Him. In what way was the Father with Jesus that He wouldn't be alone though everyone with Him leaves?

The Father's presence in Jesus' life wasn't an abstraction, He wasn't alone. The Father was in fact with Him.

Jesus is with me, and I am not alone.

Much love!

Truly great stuff!

Although:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (Revelation 19:13)

:)

 

[Grailhunter]

Sins of the flesh. Is that an oxymoron?
Sins of the flesh?
Sins of the mind?
Sins of the heart?
Sins of the soul?

Which sins would drive a person to think that they could not control themselves?
My hands! my hands! I cannot stop them! They have a mind of their own!
The carnal man and his sins....oh excuse me carnal person. Surely there is law against it. Put that man in cuffs!

1st Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

1st Corinthians 3:1-3 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way?

Galatians 5:17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Exodus 21:10 Mosaic Law states that...If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.

Proverbs 5:18 Let your fountain be blessed, And rejoice with the wife of your youth.

Proverbs 5:19 As a loving hind and a graceful doe, Let her breasts satisfy you at all times; Be exhilarated always with her love.

Songs of Solomon 2:3 Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest is my beloved among the young men. I delight to sit in his shade, and his fruit is sweet to my taste.

Songs of Solomon 4:16 Awake, north wind, and come, south wind! Blow on my garden, that its fragrance may spread everywhere. Let my beloved come into his garden and taste its choice fruits.

Songs of Solomon 7:8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.” May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples,

2nd Samuel 12:8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.

Sins of the flesh? What is it? Is it this that drives a person to think they have no hope of being good?
That they give up trying to be good?
Is it this that influences them to come up with beliefs that no one could go to heaven unless all manner of sin and evil was allowed into heaven?
Is it this that motivates such an uproar when I say...be good and do good?

Does the Bible setup a paradox that so confuses the mind on this topic?
There has to be some real misunderstandings that would turn Christians against trying to be good.
Even to the point that some consider it anti-faith to even try to be good.
So what do you think? What is the motive of what is discussed here?

 

[bbyrd009]

Thank you. I appreciate that. Thanks for the encouragement.

planting seeds just seems to be a thankless task, huh

 

[marks]

With all due respect....you don’t know what you are talking about......you would not BELIEVE the things God has showed me ....things I know that I should not tell to anybody.....not even my wife or daughter.....they are too precious and too miraculous .....Anybody that thinks God is remote and will not actually “show His hand” to people is VERY mistaken...Do you think “ Seeing the Light” is just an expression? It ain’t. I’ve Seen it.Ive felt it.Unbelievable.

You're getting to him so he's turning the discussion to try to impugn you. Maybe he thinks that will be easier.

@Ferris Bueller

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I did not say that Paul did not have good credentials. I said He does not have a Gospel...by "my Gospel" he maybe referring to the fact that his was the most correct. Very brilliant person.


Jesus said that we are to “follow Paul” as he follows Christ?....LOL...more like Paul said...1st Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1st Corinthians 3:4-5 When one of you says, “I am a follower of Paul,” and another says, “I follow Apollos,” aren’t you acting just like people of the world? What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task.

Paul is nothing, other than the one to go to for Doctrine ....he was sent by God to be the “messenger to the Gentiles” —- that’s US.....some churches,like my old one, act like he never existed.....BIG mistake.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I did not say that Paul did not have good credentials. I said He does not have a Gospel...by "my Gospel" he maybe referring to the fact that his was the most correct. Very brilliant person.



Paul certainly was brilliant , but that is neither here nor there.....when he talks about “ MY” Gospel, , he is taliking about something unique.....it was the Gospel given to him PERSONALLY by Jesus “ not by man” , an act probably done as he spent three years in the dessert with Jesus learning the “mysteries” That were kept hidden by God since the beginning of time....Paul was special.....he was very blessed to be “ God's Chosen Vessel”....

 

[marks]

How do you think both waiting in patient trust and working out our own salvation with fear and trembling achieve any congruence? Do you think this question is worth asking? :)

Are you afraid of failing to trust? Is there a miraculous life just waiting to happen inside you?

I think God is constantly leading us to the precipice to train us to follow Him into mid air. We have to be in a waiting trusting mode to see what happens when we step out into nothingness. Which is another way of saying I have to trust that He will give the right result when I do what I believe He wants me to do, even though I know it won't work if just allowed to progress in the normal fashion.

Can I just love, trusting God to take care of everything else? In this situation?

Much love!

 

[marks]

How can we be sure they are gifted and are teaching the truth?

By knowing your Bible, and appealing to the Holy Spirit.

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No one is saying that being good or doing good gets us saved or saves us. You keep saying this silly stuff over and over again...hence the list to keep you honest. But I have shown to you that Christ said that not doing good for others can send you to hell.



You say that “ being good” does not save us but you say that if we are NOT good , Christ will send us to Hell.....do you not see the contradiction there?

 

[Addy]

You say that “ being good” does not save us but you say that if we are NOT good , Christ will send us to Hell.....do you not see the contradiction there?

Have no idea who you quoted here.... I can't see those I have put on IGNORE... but this is the biggest OXYMORON...
So much double talk and justification happening here... OOOPS... I did it again... I promised Barny not to stick my nose in this thread... those darn ALERTS... LOL

I want to get a shirt that says.... BE GOOD and DO GOOD. It seems to be the flavour of the week... LOL

 

[marks]

Paul was not only the apostle to the Gentiles:

1 Corinthians 9
19For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; 21to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; 22to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.
:);):cool:

While Paul went to Jews also, even so,

Galatians 2:7-9 KJV
7) But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8) (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
9) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Romans 11:12-15 KJV
12) Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13) For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14) If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15) For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Peter and the other Apostles saw this.

Pual called himself the apostle of the gentiles, but never lost his heart to see Jews saved.

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Show me where obedience to Christ or doing good for one another is dead works. You have it so wrong! It has to be a battle between you and the Word of God.



Obedience to Christ and doing good are both Great things! They become “ Dead Works” when a person does these things thinking that they either Save him or Keep him Saved.....Two things save us and two things only.....the Sacrificial Blood Of Jesus on the Cross and an individualists Faith in that Blood....”Salvation is a Gift— Given to those that do not try to work for it”

 

[marks]

by "my Gospel" he maybe referring to the fact that his was the most correct. Very brilliant person.

He was taught by Jesus, and was preaching the Gospel that was taught to him by Jesus, is how I understand it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It is a mistake to attribute the words of an apostle or a prophet to the Lord Jesus Christ. The words of Christ are clearly delineated in most Bibles.

For myself, I like to recognize that though Paul penned the words, Jesus is the Author. He wrote His Book so we could know Him, so I could know Him, knowing exactly how I would understand it when I read it.

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

LOL What does the Law have to do with Christians? You want to focus on Paul, of all the Apostles he had the worst things to say about the Law. And it was the Law that caused the most problems in his ministry.


Christians are not under the Law...Who do you think it was that first preached that? It was Paul!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

you so funny!



LOL What does the Law have to do with Christians? You want to focus on Paul, of all the Apostles he had the worst things to say about the Law. And it was the Law that caused the most problems in his ministry.



You could say that...but still they are summaries that encompass everything in a general way.
Do we love God when we do not disobey Him?
Do we love one another when we commit adultery?
Do we love one another when we murder each other?
Do we love one another when we steal from one another?
Do we love one another with perverted sexual practices?

It looks like you are suggesting that the two commandments limits our obligation to obey, that it limits our obligation to do good.
What it actually does is expand our obligations to limitless boundaries.

It looks like you are suggesting that the two commandments limits our obligation to obey, that it limits our obligation to do good.
What it actually does is expand our obligations to limitless boundaries.[/QUOTE]



Quite to the contrary.....these two commandments encompass EVERYTHING in our Walk with Jesus....there are NO limitations inferred by them...

 

[Michiah-Imla]

 

[marks]

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I always love a good train wreck!

Much love!

 

[BarneyFife]

For myself, I like to recognize that though Paul penned the words, Jesus is the Author. He wrote His Book so we could know Him, so I could know Him, knowing exactly how I would understand it when I read it.

Much love!

Me, too. :)