Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[Grailhunter]

Gospel means good news. Paul had good news concerning Jesus Christ which he received not from man but from Jesus Christ Himself. There had been certain other men who preach some news which is a perverted version of what Paul had preached about. By saying “my gospel” distinguishes what He preached from the perverted ones. It is a mistake to take that if the gospel that Paul preached is something that he made up or received from some other men from whom he heard of the news.

Tong
R4240

I don't think anybody is saying he made it up.
The Gospel he preached was from Christ, but it is still Christ's Gospel.
Accuracy and details is where Paul excelled.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Pual called himself the apostle of the gentiles, but never lost his heart to see Jews saved.


AMEN to that! Paul said That He would let “ himself” be damned if it would result in the Salvation Of His Jewish Brothers.... now THAt is Love....

 

[Tong2020]

I don't think anybody is saying he made it up.
The Gospel he preached was from Christ, but it is still Christ's Gospel.
Accuracy and details is where Paul excelled.

Perhaps no one, but perhaps there were. Nonetheless, Paul, in his epistles, made it clear that he received the gospel he preach not from any man but from Jesus Christ Himself, which establishes that his gospel isn’t a second hand, 3rd or 4th…. version or what. It is an indirect way of saying that any other preaching by some, must be examined against what he preached and dismissed as false and perverted, if it is different from what he had preached.

And as I said, when he said “my gospel”, it will be a mistake to take that Paul was claiming ownership or authorship of the gospel. For it is clear in all his epistles that he points to Jesus Christ as from whom he received the gospel that he is preaching.

Tong
R4242

 

[BloodBought 1953]

For myself, I like to recognize that though Paul penned the words, Jesus is the Author. He wrote His Book so we could know Him, so I could know Him, knowing exactly how I would understand it when I read it.

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

For myself, I like to recognize that though Paul penned the words, Jesus is the Author. He wrote His Book so we could know Him, so I could know Him, knowing exactly how I would understand it when I read it.

Much love!

Paul was Jesus “ Secretary” after Christ ascended to Heaven....He wrote not a single word that was not inspired by the Holy Spirit.....Peter said That Everything Paul said was as good as anything in Scripture....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

you so funny!



Thanks for the compliment, Groucho ! Lol......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I seldom fault a theology for what it stresses--but rather what it neglects. :)

The uplifting of a man (other than the man Jesus Christ), however, I feel is dangerous.

If all Scripture is authored by the Holy Spirit, why extol or focus on one of its penmen?

I call attention to Paul because too many churches try to ignore his Vital Teachings and there are many Preachers that HATE him.....The Methodist Church that I was raised in seldom, if ever mentioned him except to say that he was once lowered to safety over a wall inside a basket....

 

[Taken]

Look in your study Bible.
Deuteronomy 6.5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.
Leviticus 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD..... and these two commandments sum up the mosaic law that is why it ends with....on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

These are part of the Mosaic Law, Christ used them to sum up the Mosaic Law...He is talking to Jews about Judaism. Not that they do not pertain to Christians....but as obedience to Christ....not the Mosaic Law.



Unless you want me to give you the list....repeat after me....There is no one here that is saying that we can be perfect. But that does not mean you cannot try. As in the movie the Patriot....Aim small, miss small.

And Christ does not make us perfect....LOL....look around you man, do you see any perfect people. He makes us perfect before God the Father, by His Grace.

Repeating what I said, in your words, does not change the meaning of what I said. LOL

 

[Grailhunter]

Repeating what I said, in your words, does not change the meaning of what I said. LOL

Just not the first time it was spoken.
And it was pointed directly at the Jews.
And served as wisdom for the Christians.

 

[BarneyFife]

Pual called himself the apostle of the gentiles, but never lost his heart to see Jews saved.


AMEN to that! Paul said That He would let “ himself” be damned if it would result in the Salvation Of His Jewish Brothers.... now THAt is Love....

Moses did exactly the same thing. So did Jesus. :)

 

[BarneyFife]

Accuracy and details is where Paul excelled.

This could easily be taken to imply that Paul was more accurate than other of God's penmen. I think it's important to point out because so many have an exalted view of the apostle Paul. I feel like I have to keep saying that he was naturally gifted perhaps above others, but not supernaturally. :)

 

[BarneyFife]

Paul was Jesus “ Secretary” after Christ ascended to Heaven....He wrote not a single word that was not inspired by the Holy Spirit.....Peter said That Everything Paul said was as good as anything in Scripture....

But, BB, my friend, no one here has claimed that it wasn't. :)

I call attention to Paul because too many churches try to ignore his Vital Teachings and there are many Preachers that HATE him

Is it possible that you have an undue bias, then? I have never encountered or heard of any of these things. Do you recall any particular preacher that exhibited an actual hatred of Paul? What I have noticed is that the meanings of his words are argued over among Christians like none other in the Bible, which simply means that he wrote many things hard to be understood. :)

But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. (Titus 3:9)

I wonder to what extent we are in violation of this precept? Just a thought.

 

[Grailhunter]

5deq

This could easily be taken to imply that Paul was more accurate than other of God's penmen. I think it's important to point out because so many have an exalted view of the apostle Paul. I feel like I have to keep saying that he was naturally gifted perhaps above others, but not supernaturally. :)

LOL Paul's conversion in 34 AD, the rapture into the third heaven in 43, at the time of the famine during the reign of Claudius (Acts 11:28), when he was in a trance in Jerusalem (Acts 22:17).

Who else can make this claim....well Peter had a vision.

It appears that John got his revelation from an angel.

James the brother....but not one of the twelve took the leadership role...still questions about that.

The need for the thirteenth Apostle?

Paul was highly educated and was the most prolific writer of the New Testament....wrote or influenced at least 15 of the 27 entries into the New Testament. He is the only Apostle to write to specific churches directly. No other Apostle detailed the elements of salvation and got into the details as deep as Paul. Both naturally gifted and spiritual gifted, with incredible insight. Every scholar gives him high praise for his literary style and eloquent manner.

 

[BarneyFife]

you so funny!



Thanks for the compliment, Groucho ! Lol......

Brother BB, could you try to use the quote feature of the forum software so that we can see the context of what you're quoting? Also, if you don't use it, the person you're quoting doesn't get a notification that you have indeed quoted them. :)

 

[Addy]

Brother BB, could you try to use the quote feature of the forum software so that we can see the context of what you're quoting? Also, if you don't use it, the person you're quoting doesn't get a notification that you have indeed quoted them. :)

and then there's little old me that has 3 on Ignore... and I can't follow anything anymore... LOL

 

[BarneyFife]

5deq

LOL Paul's conversion in 34 AD, the rapture into the third heaven in 43, at the time of the famine during the reign of Claudius (Acts 11:28), when he was in a trance in Jerusalem (Acts 22:17).

Who else can make this claim....well Peter had a vision.

It appears that John got his revelation from an angel.

James the brother....but not one of the twelve took the leadership role...still questions about that.

The need for the thirteenth Apostle?

Paul was highly educated and was the most prolific writer of the New Testament....wrote or influenced at least 15 of the 27 entries into the New Testament. He is the only Apostle to write to specific churches directly. No other Apostle detailed the elements of salvation and got into the details as deep as Paul. Both naturally gifted and spiritual gifted, with incredible insight. Every scholar gives him high praise for his literary style and eloquent manner.

Not one, nor all of these facts negate what you have quoted by me. It is dangerous to exalt any man (except the man Christ Jesus) above the other penmen of Scripture. Christ, Himself never did so. Solomon and Daniel were extremely intelligent and educated. Regardless of what many scholars (many of whom are little more than infidels with advanced degrees in Religion) say, the Sermon on the Mount is as cerebral and profound as anything found in Scripture. If you believe Paul's contribution to be superior to the other writers' why not just say so and stop implying it? :)

 

[Grailhunter]

It is dangerous to exalt any man (except the man Christ Jesus) above the other penmen of Scripture.

Your opinion is duly noted.
The only one that is exalted is Christ.
Each had their talents and gifts.
There is nothing wrong with noting the facts.
Many of the Apostles did wonderful things....but that is mostly outside the parameters of fundamentalism.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post #1427

.....the Law was given to SHUT YOUR MOUTH —— NOBODY CAN KEEP IT!

“O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!” (Deuteronomy 5:29)

So you believe that the just God preordained things to go bad with the Israelites and their children knowing full well “NOBODY CAN KEEP IT” as you so loudly proclaim it?

Those with the law in their hearts CAN keep it!

“Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.” (Deuteronomy 10:16)

“Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.” (Isaiah 51:7)

“Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.” (Jeremiah 4:4)

“But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.” (Romans 6:17)

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Brother BB, could you try to use the quote feature of the forum software so that we can see the context of what you're quoting? Also, if you don't use it, the person you're quoting doesn't get a notification that you have indeed quoted them. :)

I am a computer Dotard and it’s a miracle that I can even press the “ like” button.....I’ve tried to use the many great tools that are provided here, but I usually just screw things up....I don’t even try anymore....sorry....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Post #1427


“O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!” (Deuteronomy 5:29)

So you believe that the just God preordained things to go bad with the Israelites and their children knowing full well “NOBODY CAN KEEP IT” as you so loudly proclaim it?

Those with the law in their hearts CAN keep it!

“Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.” (Deuteronomy 10:16)

“Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.” (Isaiah 51:7)

“Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.” (Jeremiah 4:4)

“But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.” (Romans 6:17)

Nobody can even keep the First and most important Law, much less the 613 that follow.....NOBODY Loves God with ALL of their Heart ALL of their Soul and ALL of their mind.....how about you?

If you are counting on being made right with God by keeping the Law, James proclaims that you are under a CURSE......that curse being that if you go down that road, you must keep ALL of the Law 24 hours a day, 7 days a week......good luck with that.....



Even if you kept the Law , which Peter said that neither we nor our Fathers did.... it would be a waste of time because, “ By The LAW, NO Flesh shall be Justified.....”


It’s Faith in Christ that Saves.....