Leads us into all truth?
Through a process of verifying the standard of truth (the Word of God = the Bible)
by calling "two or three witnesses" (supporting scriptures) as a test?
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Hellfire and brimstone has given way to eternal separation from God. - Why?
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Through a process of verifying the standard of truth (the Word of God = the Bible)
by calling "two or three witnesses" (supporting scriptures) as a test?
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OK, tell me how the Holy Spirit has resolved the ones I mentioned.
Well, I don't want to be the source of anyone's irritation. I'll stop posting for a while.
Oh... I thought that was a spiritual gift. - LOL
Matthew 15:12 NIV
Then the disciples came to him and asked,
“Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
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Taken
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I would say No.
Rather I would say Reasoning or the ability to make an inference to a possibility, begins a mans journey to take a leap AND learn ABOUT his creator and maker….which scripturally comes through hearing….and hearing the Word of God…gains the individual a gift of measures of faith for the individual making the effort to HEAR the word of God….
Now you can be “critical” about the term “HEAR”….which I personally dealt with raising a DEAF daughter, whose ears could not “HEAR”…but again one should be able to “REASON”…hearing is based on the spiritual concept of “receiving” information…audibly, reading, sign language….and to where that information is going…to one’s MIND or one’s HEART’S thoughts…
Because the MIND, will challenge, doubt, wonder, believe some, deny some…
(And WHY the carnal mind is AGAINST God).Rom 8:7
And the Heart’s thoughts…holds the mans truth…and IS (the “natural” spirit of man), which is precisely that which BECOMES “born again”, of Gods Seed….for those who CONFESS to the Lord (their heartful belief (Gods Advocate…the Lord Jesus).
Basics….for natural mankind…for spiritual mankind………always according to Gods ORDER and WAY regarding every individual manKIND of being.
Glory to God,
Taken
St. SteVen said:
Question: Does spiritual understanding BEGIN with "Carnal Minded Understanding"?
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Question: Does spiritual understanding BEGIN with "Carnal Minded Understanding"?
But your explanation says Yes. (sigh)
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Hi @Lizbeth ..
Deu 17:6
At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
Deu 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Mat 18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
2Co 13:1
This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
1Ti 5:19
Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:28
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
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RJ, I have no understanding of said scripture.
I can only go by what I believe the Spirit to be witnessing to my spirit, we are led by the Spirit, I think we understand scripture, that God has brought us to understand, imo.
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Deu 17:6
At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
Deu 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Mat 18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
2Co 13:1
This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
1Ti 5:19
Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:28
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
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RJ, I have no understanding of said scripture.
I can only go by what I believe the Spirit to be witnessing to my spirit, we are led by the Spirit, I think we understand scripture, that God has brought us to understand, imo.
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Taken
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
@St. SteVen said.
Question: Does spiritual understanding BEGIN with "Carnal Minded Understanding"?
RJ...when we are first Born Again, I would say we are most definitely in our carnal understanding, as we grow in Christ, the Spirit teaches us to discern the flesh talk/ understanding, from the spirit.
What say you?
Just my thoughts.
It’s our minds that need renewing to think as Christ would think,....not thinking in that old carnal understanding....that has taken years and years to understand...what a journey we are on Brother.
Question: Does spiritual understanding BEGIN with "Carnal Minded Understanding"?
RJ...when we are first Born Again, I would say we are most definitely in our carnal understanding, as we grow in Christ, the Spirit teaches us to discern the flesh talk/ understanding, from the spirit.
What say you?
Just my thoughts.
It’s our minds that need renewing to think as Christ would think,....not thinking in that old carnal understanding....that has taken years and years to understand...what a journey we are on Brother.
YES!
There is a transformation that takes place over time.
God meets us where we are. Like the song says, "Just as I am, without on plea..."
God meets us at our carnal understanding of him and works with us to nurture and form us into his image.
This takes time of course, and even those of us who have reached a level of maturity are still being formed into his image.
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Indeed.
The biggest shock to me was when I suddenly felt a distance between God and myself.
Things were different than how it was when we first began. It was somewhat devastating.
The dark night of the soul. What had I done to distance myself from Him?
Then I realized that it was like a normal human parenting situation. I needed to stand on my own.
I needed to claim my maturity and hold on to what I had in Him. This was a turning point.
The relationship had changed and I needed to change with it.
Now we were like a father and son in a mature relationship. And I looked to Him,
not as a child, but as two mature adults in a father son relationship.
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When we are born again, we receive spiritual revelation knowledge of God in Christ, which is not carnal understanding. It is more than mere mental assent of the natural man. It is His light that comes into our darkened mind and spirit that had been cut off from knowing God. We become reconnected/reconciled back to God through receiving Christ, His Spirit. It is HIS faith, of HIS Spirit, not of our own carnal mind, that causes us to see and know Him. This is not an opinion, this is the truth and straight out of scripture, so I can say it with conviction, and I think you agree with this as well.
(I believe this is important to make clear because those who only have a nominal mental assent to Christianity but are not born of the Spirit, may even be innoculated against being born again in a way, because they wrongly think they already have what they need. And I believe this is why Jesus prefers that one be either hot or completely cold....it is easier for someone cold to come to know their need and be converted than for a nominal lukewarm person who isn't feeling the cold...they are kind of in a limbo of sorts and will ultimately be rejected, spewn out.)
The rest here is part scripture as well as me putting my understanding of this in my own words. As we read/hear and get to know His word, understanding of a lot of it is often more superficial or one-dimensional at first and then it should deepen and be enlarged as we grow and receive more revelation/light and pay the price for it, counting the cost, and begin learning to rely on the Spirit, not our carnal mind. ("BUY the truth but sell it not.") His word is a lamp unto our feet and light unto our path as we grow and journey on in Him. Those who live in disobedience and are not carrying their crosses, counting the cost to follow Him, are not going to grow and therefore stand in greater danger of falling away because of their continuing immaturity. Many fish may be caught in the gospel's net, but those who prove to be unprofitable fish will be thrown back into the sea (the world) as it were.
We are well warned that it is not a journey without danger....there are pitfalls and robbers and wolves along the way and we're being stalked by a lion seeking to devour......so we need to test all things and test the spirits. God's word is our spiritual weapon, our sword, that divides and discerns between soul and spirit, between flesh and spirit (because the soul/self is connected to the flesh and has to do with our own will, emotions and fleshly brain/carnal mind), so we need to know the scriptures well. (Bible says the flesh cannot inherit eternal life, so that is why the saving of our soul necessitates a heavenly body/house/tabernacle to live in. Our soul needs a body of some kind in order to live on after our fleshly body and brain dies.) This is my understanding sister, the best I can say it...you see if it agrees with the word of God in scripture.
Behold
Well-Known Member
The only "distance" between a believer and Christ and Father God, is in their Head.
The reality is, there is never any distance between a born again Christian, and Father God and Christ.
When you THINK there is, then that is YOUR own mind, betraying truth, and this happens because of a lack of understanding, regarding what it means to be "IN CHRIST"., as "ONE with God".
There is NEVER any separation between God and the Believer, except in the believer's mind.
And that is a wrong mind, and a deceived mind, and the theology that comes out of this mind blindness, will always be FALSE.
ok I looked into this one....Matthew rightly pointed to Jeremiah because it was Jeremiah who was appointed (told) by the Lord to buy the field in Jer 32, sometime after visiting the potter mentioned in Jer 18, whereas Zechariah's prophecy did not mention anything about buying a field. See how the field was a significant feature of Matthew account..? Both prophets were alluding to the same thing, but only Jeremiah talked about buying the field.
Mat 27:6-10
And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;
And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.
(As for how Zechariah the prophet died.........the bible doesn't say how he died in the OT that I can find, but just because an earlier person named Zechariah was killed in the court of the Lord, it doesn't rule out the later prophet Zechariah also being killed between the temple porch and the altar. Do we know how he died? Was he martyred? Apparently so according to the NT. There is nothing that I can find which says otherwise, but if you know of anything that disproves it feel free to show it.)
Ritajanice
Born-Again
@Lizbeth
We are Born Again, exactly as the written words says.when you add your words and what “ you” believe the word of God to be saying ,it then gets confusing.
My observation of your posts, come from “ what” you believe the word of God to be saying...you add imo, your own words and interpret scripture, by your way of understanding....as do we all,you say the word is saying this.others disagree with you (some). are you telling people what the word of God is saying...imo, that’s what I see you posting, none of us are any more superior in the word than anyone else.we are all searching for Gods truth...just my own observations and opinions.
We are Born Again, exactly as the written words says.when you add your words and what “ you” believe the word of God to be saying ,it then gets confusing.
My observation of your posts, come from “ what” you believe the word of God to be saying...you add imo, your own words and interpret scripture, by your way of understanding....as do we all,you say the word is saying this.others disagree with you (some). are you telling people what the word of God is saying...imo, that’s what I see you posting, none of us are any more superior in the word than anyone else.we are all searching for Gods truth...just my own observations and opinions.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
@Lizbeth said.
When we are born again, we receive spiritual revelation knowledge of God in Christ, which is not carnal understanding
RJ,disagrees,we don’t go straight into spiritual understanding straight away,imo..we learn to communicate with God, via his Spirit, we are newly Born spirit children .therefore the Holy Spirit is our teacher regarding spiritual matters....we are Born Of The Living Spirit,we aren’t Born Of the Bible, the Holy Spirit leads us through the written word, brings it to our understanding “ in our spirit” that’s how he communicates with us Spirit to spirit ,my opinion/ belief.
When we are born again, we receive spiritual revelation knowledge of God in Christ, which is not carnal understanding
RJ,disagrees,we don’t go straight into spiritual understanding straight away,imo..we learn to communicate with God, via his Spirit, we are newly Born spirit children .therefore the Holy Spirit is our teacher regarding spiritual matters....we are Born Of The Living Spirit,we aren’t Born Of the Bible, the Holy Spirit leads us through the written word, brings it to our understanding “ in our spirit” that’s how he communicates with us Spirit to spirit ,my opinion/ belief.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
@Lizbeth
When we are born again, we receive spiritual revelation knowledge of God in Christ, which is not carnal understanding. It is more than mere mental assent of the natural man. It is His light that comes into our darkened mind and spirit that had been cut off from knowing God. We become reconnected/reconciled back to God through receiving Christ, His Spirit. It is HIS faith, of HIS Spirit, not of our own carnal mind, that causes us to see and know Him. This is not an opinion, this is the truth and straight out of scripture, so I can say it with conviction, and I think you agree with this as well.
(I believe this is important to make clear because those who only have a nominal mental assent to Christianity but are not born of the Spirit, may even be innoculated against being born again in a way, because they wrongly think they already have what they need. And I believe this is why Jesus prefers that one be either hot or completely cold....it is easier for someone cold to come to know their need and be converted than for a nominal lukewarm person who isn't feeling the cold...they are kind of in a limbo of sorts and will ultimately be rejected, spewn out.)
The rest here is part scripture as well as me putting my understanding of this in my own words. As we read/hear and get to know His word, understanding of a lot of it is often more superficial or one-dimensional at first and then it should deepen and be enlarged as we grow and receive more revelation/light and pay the price for it, counting the cost, and begin learning to rely on the Spirit, not our carnal mind. ("BUY the truth but sell it not.") His word is a lamp unto our feet and light unto our path as we grow and journey on in Him. Those who live in disobedience and are not carrying their crosses, counting the cost to follow Him, are not going to grow and therefore stand in greater danger of falling away because of their continuing immaturity. Many fish may be caught in the gospel's net, but those who prove to be unprofitable fish will be thrown back into the sea (the world) as it were.
We are well warned that it is not a journey without danger....there are pitfalls and robbers and wolves along the way and we're being stalked by a lion seeking to devour......so we need to test all things and test the spirits. God's word is our spiritual weapon, our sword, that divides and discerns between soul and spirit, between flesh and spirit (because the soul/self is connected to the flesh and has to do with our own will, emotions and fleshly brain/carnal mind), so we need to know the scriptures well. (Bible says the flesh cannot inherit eternal life, so that is why the saving of our soul necessitates a heavenly body/house/tabernacle to live in. Our soul needs a body of some kind in order to live on after our fleshly body and brain dies.) This is my understanding sister, the best I can say it...you see if it agrees with the word of God in scripture.
RJ says.....Everything you say above is your opinion/belief, the same as what I post an opinion, scripture is open up to interpretation..as we see all over the forum, there are many who interpret scripture differently....
When we are born again, we receive spiritual revelation knowledge of God in Christ, which is not carnal understanding. It is more than mere mental assent of the natural man. It is His light that comes into our darkened mind and spirit that had been cut off from knowing God. We become reconnected/reconciled back to God through receiving Christ, His Spirit. It is HIS faith, of HIS Spirit, not of our own carnal mind, that causes us to see and know Him. This is not an opinion, this is the truth and straight out of scripture, so I can say it with conviction, and I think you agree with this as well.
(I believe this is important to make clear because those who only have a nominal mental assent to Christianity but are not born of the Spirit, may even be innoculated against being born again in a way, because they wrongly think they already have what they need. And I believe this is why Jesus prefers that one be either hot or completely cold....it is easier for someone cold to come to know their need and be converted than for a nominal lukewarm person who isn't feeling the cold...they are kind of in a limbo of sorts and will ultimately be rejected, spewn out.)
The rest here is part scripture as well as me putting my understanding of this in my own words. As we read/hear and get to know His word, understanding of a lot of it is often more superficial or one-dimensional at first and then it should deepen and be enlarged as we grow and receive more revelation/light and pay the price for it, counting the cost, and begin learning to rely on the Spirit, not our carnal mind. ("BUY the truth but sell it not.") His word is a lamp unto our feet and light unto our path as we grow and journey on in Him. Those who live in disobedience and are not carrying their crosses, counting the cost to follow Him, are not going to grow and therefore stand in greater danger of falling away because of their continuing immaturity. Many fish may be caught in the gospel's net, but those who prove to be unprofitable fish will be thrown back into the sea (the world) as it were.
We are well warned that it is not a journey without danger....there are pitfalls and robbers and wolves along the way and we're being stalked by a lion seeking to devour......so we need to test all things and test the spirits. God's word is our spiritual weapon, our sword, that divides and discerns between soul and spirit, between flesh and spirit (because the soul/self is connected to the flesh and has to do with our own will, emotions and fleshly brain/carnal mind), so we need to know the scriptures well. (Bible says the flesh cannot inherit eternal life, so that is why the saving of our soul necessitates a heavenly body/house/tabernacle to live in. Our soul needs a body of some kind in order to live on after our fleshly body and brain dies.) This is my understanding sister, the best I can say it...you see if it agrees with the word of God in scripture.
RJ says.....Everything you say above is your opinion/belief, the same as what I post an opinion, scripture is open up to interpretation..as we see all over the forum, there are many who interpret scripture differently....
The knowledge of God I received was His spirit to my spirit, which also enlightened my mind. But that was all I knew immediately, only Christ and Him crucified, until I began to read His word. "What do we have that we didn't RECEIVE?"
Ritajanice
Born-Again
@Lizbeth ..of course Siter,some of what you post resonates with my spirit, some of it doesn’t....we are all learning Gods way Sis. ..we can’t learn other people’s way can we?
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