Hellfire and brimstone has given way to eternal separation from God. - Why?

[Ritajanice]

@St. SteVen ...that looks a fantastic read...thanks for posting...I will give that a good read later, when I have quiet time, thanks for posting.

 

[St. SteVen]

Another thing has just come to mind, has anyone here been anointed to teach the word of God?

Am I right in saying one must receive the anointing from God to teach?

Woman aren’t also not supposed to teach according to the Bible are they?

I certainly haven’t been anointed to teach, mind you at one time my pride and ego would have disagreed, LOL.

Are we all just posting our opinions and our own beliefs on what the word of God to be saying?

God's anointing.
That's an interesting subject.

Probably worth a topic. But it would be a blood bath. Hot topic.

- How does a person know if they have an anointing from God?
- Are we not ALL anointed by God in some respect?

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 NIV
Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

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[Ritajanice]

@St. SteVen ...

You are right, look here.

All Christians Are Anointed By God As Paul writes, “And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee” (2 Corinthians 1:20-22).

 

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And in 325 A.D., a bunch of Catholic bishops convened in Nicaea and voted on what is and isn't God-breathed Scripture.

For all the Catholic-bashing that goes on here on this site, ya sure gotta hope the Catholics got that one right.

Well there IS THAT Conversion IN Christ option….that SETS LIVING men APART from ALL others…(Catholic or not)….

THAT Being…the opportunity to HAVE a one on one conversation with the Lord God, that you can ASK ANYTHING, and be patient for His Response. (Because from my own experience, the ANSWER seems to come when you least expect it…as example…I may ASK about this or that…and a few days, or a month later…while driving, showering, shopping, mowing, tending animals…whatever the ANSWER arrives! )

It’s sort of a failsafe IMO…as we can see the umpteen SCRIPTURES over the years that have been STOLEN, LOST, BURNED, RE-WRITTEN WITH LANGUAGE CHANGED, Meanings of Words continually “changing” to mean the complete opposite, slang, acronym's, symbols replanting Written words….

I Trust my conversations with the Lord God, that He knows my hearts thoughts, if my actual language is blurry, and Answers me According to my hearts thought (ie my born again spirit.)

God bless you.
Glory to God,

Taken

 

[Taken]

Another thing has just come to mind, has anyone here been anointed to teach the word of God?

Am I right in saying one must receive the anointing from God to teach?

Woman aren’t also not supposed to teach according to the Bible are they?

I certainly haven’t been anointed to teach, mind you at one time my pride and ego would have disagreed, LOL.

Are we all just posting our opinions and our own beliefs on what the word of God to be saying?

1 John 2:
[20] But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

Ye…..is the Born Again of Gods SEED.
Unction…is an anointing.
Able to teach? Yes
Required to teach? No

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ritajanice]

Short commentary.

Who teaches us the Word of God?
Only the Spirit of God can teach the Bible to us. We can get Bible facts on our own, but the Spirit of God must open our minds and hearts if we are to understand the spiritual truth that is there. The Holy Spirit has to be our Teacher. Only God can open up the Word of God for us to really understand it.

 

[Johann]

1 John 2:
[20] But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

Ye…..is the Born Again of Gods SEED.
Unction…is an anointing.
Able to teach? Yes
Required to teach? No

Glory to God,
Taken

NASB "and you all know"
NKJV "and you know all things"
NRSV "and all of you have knowledge"
TEV "and so all of you know the truth"
NJB "and have all received knowledge"

This was a significant statement in light of Gnostic false teachers' arrogant assertions about their secret knowledge. John asserts that believers have basic Christian knowledge (1Jn_2:27 and Joh_16:7-14 and Jer_31:34), not exhaustive knowledge either in religion or other realms or knowledge (cf. 1Jn_3:2). For John, the truth is both conceptual and personal, as is the anointing which can refer to the gospel or the Spirit.
There is a Greek manuscript variant in this phrase. The NKJV follows the uncial manuscripts A, C, and K, having panta, a neuter plural used as a Direct object, while NASB follows manuscripts א, B, and P, having pantes, a masculine plural, which focuses on the subject "you all." In light of the exclusivistic claims of the false teachers, the last option is best. The UBS4 gives it a "B" rating (almost certain). The anointing and knowledge are given to all believers, not a select, special, intellectual, spiritual few!
An unction (χρίσμα)
The word means that with which the anointing is performed - the unguent or ointment. In the New Testament only here and 1Jn_2:27. Rev., an anointing. The root of this word and of Χριστός, Christ, is the same. See on Mat_1:1. The anointing is from the Anointed.
The Holy One
Christ. See Joh_6:69; Act_3:14; Act_4:27, Act_4:30; Rev_3:7.
Ye know all things (οἴδατε πα.ντα)
The best texts read πάντες, ye all know; in which case the connection is with the following clause: “I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it.”


Anointing (chrisma). Old word for result (mat) and for the material, from chriō, to anoint, perhaps suggested by the use of antichristoi in 1Jn_2:18. Christians are “anointed ones,” christoi in this sense, with which compare Psa_105:15 : “Touch not my anointed ones” (mē hapsēsthe tōn christōn mou). These antichrists posed as the equals of or even superior to Christ himself. But followers of Christ do have “the oil of anointing” (to elaion tou chrismatos, Exo_29:7), the Holy Spirit. This word in the N.T. only here and 1Jn_2:27. Later the term was applied to baptism after baptismal remission came to be taught (Tertullian, etc.).
From the Holy One (apo tou hagiou). They receive this anointing of the Holy Spirit from the Anointed One, Jesus Christ (the Holy One). Cf. Joh_6:69; Act_3:14.
And ye know all things (kai oidate panta). But the best MSS. read pantes rather than panta, “Ye all know it.” This anointing is open to all Christians, not just a select few.


Glory to God @Taken!

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

Commentary.

Is everyone anointed by God?
They come from heaven above and not by the hands of man. However, every believer is anointed when they get born again. God comes and makes His home on the inside of us. The scripture says, “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
The Anointing on Every Believer - Revival Ministries International
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What does the Bible say about being anointed by God?
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 - And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

 

[St. SteVen]

Commentary.

Is everyone anointed by God?
They come from heaven above and not by the hands of man. However, every believer is anointed when they get born again. God comes and makes His home on the inside of us. The scripture says, “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
The Anointing on Every Believer - Revival Ministries International
www.revival.com › 122-the-anointing-o...
More results
What does the Bible say about being anointed by God?
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 - And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

Seems that there are several levels of anointing.
- Every believer is anointed with the Spirit.
- Priests and leaders have a special anointing. (or a mantel may be passed from one to another)
- God may anoint someone for a ministry, office, or act of service.

Psalm 133:1-3 NIV
How good and pleasant it is
when God’s people live together in unity!
2 It is like precious oil poured on the head,
running down on the beard,
running down on Aaron’s beard,
down on the collar of his robe.
3 It is as if the dew of Hermon
were falling on Mount Zion.
For there the Lord bestows his blessing,
even life forevermore.

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For John, the truth is both conceptual and personal, as is the anointing which can refer to the gospel or the Spirit.
.” This anointing is open to all Christians, not just a select few.


Glory to God @Taken!

J.

Thanks or the exhaustive commentary.

My view IS…the term “Christian” is merely an indication…from someone curious, to someone following Christ’s teachings, to someone believing Jesus was sent by God, maybe Gods Messiah, maybe not, Person maybe converted, maybe not, maybe Baptized with the Holy Spirit, maybe not…ETC.
Just saying those who call themselves or call others Christians or listen to Christian sermons…are a WIDE range between unbelievers, believers and the Baptized with the Holy Spirit.

I do NOT believe ALL “believers” are anointed…aka…Baptized with the Holy Spirit.

I do NOT believe ALL “believers” HAVE Gods “Spirit of “Gods” Truth IN Them

I do NOT believe ALL “believers” HAVE Gods “Spirit” IN Them.

I find a Believer…NOT the SAME as a “CONFESSED” Believer…and a “CONFESSED” Believer, the recipient of GIFTS from God…ONLY given expressly to them…
SUCH Gifts being ALL that encompasses an individual BEING BAPTIZED with the Holy Spirit.

You commentary gives different views and applications…not sure which you subscribe to…sort of looks like, you believe “all Christians” are “anointed”….IF that be your belief, I would disagree.
I believe it is more specific than the term “Christian”.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

- Every believer is anointed with the Spirit.

Disagree.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
- Every believer is anointed with the Spirit.

Disagree.

What do you make of this?

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 NIV
Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

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[RedFan]

Have you checked or is there is any way to find out whether one or the other is the name of Zechariah's FOREfather?

Sorry, that explanation for Matthew's error won't fly. Matthew just blew this one. I'll quote Jerome: "“This passage is not found in Jeremiah at all but in Zechariah.”

Perhaps Matthew was just having a senior moment when penning 27:9, thought he knew which OT writing contained the story, and got it wrong. Or maybe he was genuinely unsure and decided to take a wild-ass guess because he was too lazy to hoof it down to the Temple and check the scrolls – and then forgot to do so the next time he was in town. Regardless, can’t we agree that God didn’t put those words in his pen?

Passover does begin the day before so to speak.....at sunset. Could that explain what appears to be an error but might not be? Sometimes things appear to be errors simply due to our own ignorance of the facts.

Sorry, that won't fly either. All four gospel writers understood that Passover starts at sundown. John just had a different theological point to convey to his readership. John’s gospel was never intended to be a historical record. Its author’s purpose in writing was not to chronicle but to persuade. He says so himself in 20:31 (“But these are written so that you may come to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that through believing you may have life in his name.”). It is this element of the gospel – “if you believe, you may have life in his name” – which mattered to the author and which should matter to us. It is unnecessary to hold to the literal truth of each and every one of the events recounted; the message of the gospel must be believed, and that message conveys theological truth, not necessarily literal truth.

Why is this a problem for you?

 

[St. SteVen]

It is unnecessary to hold to the literal truth of each and every one of the events recounted; the message of the gospel must be believed, and that message conveys theological truth, not necessarily literal truth.

Well said, thanks.

I think this strikes a nice balance between complete dismissal of the gospel account as erroneous
and an understanding that this was not what the author was striving for.

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[Taken]

St. SteVen said:
- Every believer is anointed with the Spirit.

What do you make of this?

Read the Key WORDS………of WHO 2 Cor is talking about ——> IN CHRIST.

NOT all believers are “IN CHRIST”.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 NIV
Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm [U[ in Christ. He anointed us,
22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Believing…is likened to TASTING…
(And WHY some believers CAN fall away.
Ie…SPIT OUT what they TASTED.)

Converted believers…is Likened to EATING…
(And that is Different than TASTING…and applies to one who can NEVER fall away).
Ie……which is what BAPTISM of the HOLY SPIRIT is ….and “ALL” that Baptism encompasses…)

Notice the difference…


Heb 6:
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

John 6:
[53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
[54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[St. SteVen]

NOT all believers are “IN CHRIST”.

That's ridiculous.

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[St. SteVen]

Believing…is likened to TASTING…
(And WHY some believers CAN fall away.
Ie…SPIT OUT what they TASTED.)

Converted believers…is Likened to EATING…
(And that is Different than TASTING…and applies to one who can NEVER fall away).
Ie……which is what BAPTISM of the HOLY SPIRIT is ….and “ALL” that Baptism encompasses…)

Wow.
I have NO idea what you are talking about.

Have you been drinking?

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[Taken]

That's ridiculous.

Well I disagree.
I believe as Scripture teaches….
Believers can fall from believing…
And believers can CALL ON THE Lord and Confess with their mouth their Heartful Belief…
and
Become MADE by the Power of God, Baptized with the Holy Spirit ….. CALLED…IN CHRIST….
or NOT.

* Here is a man confessing belief TO MEN…
Luke 12:
[8] Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

* Here is a man confessing belief to the Lord God…from the thoughts in a mans natural spirit IN HIS HEART TO the Lord God….WHO IS SPIRIT….mans spirit to Gods Spirit…always how a confess, a conversation and prayer and asking IS between a man and God.
Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

SHALT BE SAVED….when?

WHEN depends ON…IF the man IS WILLING to LAY DOWN HIS BODILY LIFE…”expressly unto the Lord God”….

Such a man CAN, “by his own spirit” to “the Lords Spirit”….”will” his own bodily life unto God….AND become MADE soul saved and the mans spirit quickened, by receiving Gods SEED…thus…”the mans spirit…born again”…

THAT ^ is called a LIVING SACRIFICE…
And
THAT ^ man there after ABIDES “IN” Christ Jesus…..RISEN BODY….until the day the mans own body is risen up glorified…

Rom 12:
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

THAT man IS SANCTIFIED !

Men who Believe WITHOUT making their calling TO the Lord and Heartful Confession,
HOPE to to continue believing until they bodily die….and THEN shalt they be SAVED.

Calling to and confessing to the Lord…is not the same as confessing to men.

2 Pet 1:
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

You can tell a whole congregation of people you feel this way and that way….and believe and love the Lord God….

Just as you can tell all your friends or co-workers…you feel this way and that way….and Love… so-n-so

What is the point IF you do not tell the one you are talking about How you feel and believe?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Wow.
I have NO idea what you are talking about.

Have you been drinking?

WOW…deep Scriptural study is a mystery to you…and obviously funny…per your quip…rather than a concern to you that you are missing valuable lessons of Spiritual understanding.

When the Disciples first figured out…Spiritual Understanding goes far beyond Carnal Minded Understanding….they said…

Col 1:
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

Perhaps you should consider having a drink…
John 6:
[54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[St. SteVen]

When the Disciples first figured out…Spiritual Understanding goes far beyond Carnal Minded Understanding….they said…

Col 1:
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

The Apostle Paul to the Corinthians. Those are not the words of the disciples.
Hopefully those facts are not too carnal.

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