Hebrew Roots ends now

[David in NJ]

Its very simple Jesus has no divinity in the JWs and Unitarians. If the trinity doctrine is missing its a slide into Arianism, Christian heresy that declared that Christ is not truly divine but a created being. According to the Alexandrian presbyter Arius (4th century), God alone is immutable and self-existent, and the Son is not God but a creature with a beginning.

Jesus is different in JW and Unitarians.All other Christian churches its the same Jesus from Baptist to Catholic you know the Trinity doctrine.Unitarians can't think of Jesus as divine its too much for them.JW Jesus is different hes a created being not divine.

Who do you say HE is?

 

[David in NJ]

Salvation cannot be acquired by the works of man . Salvation has already been attained for all BY JESUS THE CHRIST
to enter into that rest ONE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM . What must WE DO to work the works of GOD .
ANSWER . BELIEVE YE ON HE , JESUS THE CHRIST , whom GOD DID SEND .
All the good works that GOD ordained them to walk in , IN JESUS CHRIST by the power of the SPIRIT
shall we be given the desire and ability to DO this .
Too many look to the law and their own works to save them . THE TRUTH IS
had they even had eyes to see and ears to hear they would have SEEN that EVEN THE LAW POINTED TO JESUS THE CHRIST
as did all the prophets , as did THE FATHER HIMSELF .
Too many seek to enter into the rest that implies man was made for the sabbath
but not into the true Sabbath MADE FOR MAN . PREPARED BY GOD to give REST unto THE VERY SOUL
of he who did labor and was weary . TIME TO PREACH JESUS TO ALL that has breath .

All the good works that GOD ordained them to walk in , IN JESUS CHRIST by the power of the SPIRIT

That is the WINNING TICKET

 

[Lizbeth]

the lie has led them to this , rather than LOOKING unto JESUS it sayeth look unto the love of interfaith
and enter into that covenant that has made the road to GOD massive .
THEY are entering into a false love covenant that IS NOT OF GOD , for if it had been of GOD
it would have POINTED to the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIS CHRIST JESUS .
It does not such thing as it promises all religoins this universal false love path and hollers
that the christain truth is no better than any other religoins truth . IT HAS LED TO THE LIE that has made VOID
JESUS THE CHRIST . HAS TROD HIM UNDER FOOT and has promised them all world peace n safety , salvation .
But the dead know not that path leadeth not to peace n safety nor salvation but rather TO SUDDEN destruction
from HE whom IT DENIED . JESUS THE CHRIST .

We are to love the Jewish people and share the gospel them....but we must not be unequally yoked with them.....that is interfaith in itself. Just the same as we are not to be unequally yoked with any unbelievers but remain separated unto God and His heavenly invisible kingdom which is not of this world.

 

[David in NJ]

Agree with the gist of your post. To be fair, not all Hebrew roots folks have gone back under Law. But the idolizing of the Jews and all things Jewish has led many of them to do that unfortunately. I think it's good to be awake to the need to evangelize the Jews on the one hand, because they had been forgotten about for a long time by the church.......but on the other hand, unfortunately the flesh has run away with it and this has led and is leading to deception.

The most dangerous heresy now being pushed is that there are two separate covenants, one for the Jew and another one for the Gentile.

Whenever you SEE that monster raise it's ugly head, RAISE the Sword of the Spirit which is the TRUTH = ONE Gospel for ALL Nations

 

[Lizbeth]

The most dangerous heresy now being pushed is that there are two separate covenants, one for the Jew and another one for the Gentile.

Whenever you SEE that monster raise it's ugly head, RAISE the Sword of the Spirit which is the TRUTH = ONE Gospel for ALL Nations

Amen....it's the very same gospel Jesus came preaching.....to the Jew first and then to the Gentile. They need the gospel every bit as much as the Gentiles. Goodness....He is even THEIR passover lamb...the Lamb of God. NO MAN comes to the Father but by Christ/Messiah. And if ye have not the Son ye have not the Father either.

 

[amigo de christo]

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Sleep peacefully dear sister . its now ten twenty six inthe UK and bible read
was joyous dear sister . Let all that draws breath both praise and thank the LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

The most dangerous heresy now being pushed is that there are two separate covenants, one for the Jew and another one for the Gentile.

Whenever you SEE that monster raise it's ugly head, RAISE the Sword of the Spirit which is the TRUTH = ONE Gospel for ALL Nations

Whenever any sees that monster raise its ugly head , raise the sword of the SPIRIT and cut that ol snakes head right off
cause it a lie and a liar . He who points to any other than THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
is a man that points only to the second death false hope that saveth not a soul but damns them all .
Many have a serious choice a real serious decision to make . They can stay on that fence and preach
the message that sounds loving , sounds smooth , sounds caring but will damn all for it points NOT TO THE DIRE
NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , but the end of that fence is the second death . SO CHOOSE YE WISELY one and all .
But what a man cannot do is , TRY AND PLAY both sides of the fence . HE WHO DOES SO is RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE
LUKEWARM and a sell out .
ETIHER we preach and remind all OF THE DIRE NEED to BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
offering up no other false hope , no other false big ol broad fake love path to GOD ,
OR WE DECIEVE OURSELVES and all we do speak too .
We cannot be as many who try and make the cliam they BELIEVE JESUS
and yet make the cliam OH BUT ITS NOT NECESSARY for others to do so . THAT IS A sell
out who shall reap the worst of damnations .
FOR HE DENIED JESUS THE CHRIST and worse HE USED HIS NAME TO DO SO . GOD dont like that at all .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Whenever any sees that monster raise its ugly head , raise the sword of the SPIRIT and cut that ol snakes head right off
cause it a lie and a liar . He who points to any other than THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
is a man that points only to the second death false hope that saveth not a soul but damns them all .
Many have a serious choice a real serious decision to make . They can stay on that fence and preach
the message that sounds loving , sounds smooth , sounds caring but will damn all for it points NOT TO THE DIRE
NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , but the end of that fence is the second death . SO CHOOSE YE WISELY one and all .
But what a man cannot do is , TRY AND PLAY both sides of the fence . HE WHO DOES SO is RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE
LUKEWARM and a sell out .
ETIHER we preach and remind all OF THE DIRE NEED to BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
offering up no other false hope , no other false big ol broad fake love path to GOD ,
OR WE DECIEVE OURSELVES and all we do speak too .
We cannot be as many who try and make the cliam they BELIEVE JESUS
and yet make the cliam OH BUT ITS NOT NECESSARY for others to do so . THAT IS A sell
out who shall reap the worst of damnations .
FOR HE DENIED JESUS THE CHRIST and worse HE USED HIS NAME TO DO SO . GOD dont like that at all .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

God bless Israel!

Yes of course, but God is no respecter of persons is He?

 

[Lizbeth]

Hebrew Roots needs a way to link CHRIST'S Law to Mosaic Law ...because they don't have CHRIST'S Law written to their hearts. When the fundamental premise requires reading minds and knowing the hearts of others, it's probably nonsense. Lets' see...

So they bring up Mat 23:1-3 and claim the large crowd had Gentiles in it ...JESUS was here first for the Jews. They need JESUS to be telling Gentiles to observe pharisees which is laughable. A pillar of their fake religion has just been removed. I have never heard anyone say that. It is moot, anyway. Jesus told His followers to obey the Torah. Obeying the Torah is following Jesus. That is what He did. Otherwise, He was a sinner. Matthew 5:19. 1 John 3:4

(Mat 23:1-3)
What's mind blowing to me is that they can claim to do these 613 laws somehow ...and therefore be self-righteous ...but also look at Romans 7 the same exact way a dead spirit does ...as an excuse to sin. ...just wow.

That is the opposite of “self-righteous.” Jesus said to seek His Father's righteousness. His Father's righteousness is the Torah. If one obeys the Torah, he seeks YHVH's righteousness. If one makes up their own rules, they are self-righteous. I don't know anyone who claims to obey 613 commandments. It cannot be done because there is no Temple. The point of the Law is choosing your Master. If you observe Sunday, Christmas and Easter, then the Pope is your Master. If you obey the Torah, then Jesus is your Master.

Their pharisaical scheme to game the system ended in 70 A.D. It's extra comical that Hebrew Roots wasn't even a thing 10 years ago. There have always been Torah observant believers in Jesus. All of His disciples were Torah observant. All the people they taught were as well. Just because you didn't know about it does not mean it didn't exist.

They think giving up half of a fallen life through the Law of sin and death can pass through Judgment because they made their own definition of who gets Saved (tree of knowledge of good and evil). That, again, requires mind reading on your part. But, it doesn't even make sense anyway.

None of this is about JESUS, they just pretend that it is. We all know upholding the Old Covenant is declaring JESUS didn't Fulfill anything. This is where your education comes into question. You were taught “Jesus fulfilled the Law” means “you don't need to obey it any more.” “Fulfill” means to “fill to overflowing.” Jesus filled up the meaning of the Law to overflowing by being the subject of the Law. John 5:46, Luke 24:44 Their goal is squeeze the Law of the Jews in without real Christians noticing what they are up to. They never consider Mosaic Law was for physical Jews 2,000 years ago ...not the surrounding Gentiles. Again with the mind reading. It seems their goal is to obey Jesus' Father, which is what Jesus said to do. So, YOU are a “real Christian?” Hmmm...

Hebrew Roots is people trying to uphold the Mosaic Law because they would rather do those 613 laws than give up drugs and masturbation. They are trying to clown GOD, it isn't working. Projecting again, or just more mind reading?

If you know of one, just show them this Scripture:
(Acts 15:5-10)

Let's look at the entire chapter, that way we can know what is going on.

Acts 15:1 The men from Jerusalem said, “these men cannot be saved unless they FIRST get circumcised and obey the Law.” Paul said calling on the Name was good enough to “get saved.” But, what about growing in their knowledge? Barnabas said, “tell them to stop these 4 sins, then they can join the Jews in the synagogues on the Sabbath to hear the Law of Moses.” (Verses 19-21) The issue was, “does the Law save you?” No. It doesn't. AFTER you get saved, the Law is the instructions in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:15-17 Timothy had the Law from childhood. He did NOT have the NT from his youth.

//If the yoke of sin slavery isn't on the Reborn ...then the yoke of The Law of sin and death isn't on them either. It's all about CHRIST'S Law now. Being Grieved is His Law on your heart.

JESUS' Walk was eating from The Tree of LIFE.

That's just stuff you made up.

Mosaic Law didn't let you eat from that Tree. The Law of sin and death was in place so that when The MESSIAH came ...you could be counted as Righteous with Him ...long after you were physically dead. The Law of sin and death vanished away.

More stuff with no basis in fact.

You think the Torah is the “law of sin and death.” That tells me you have no idea what it is.
The Law of sin and death is “the soul that sins, it shall die.”



Paul is saying “do not sin!” “Obey the Law.” "The Law you obey defines your Master."
Your Master could be Jesus, which means you follow Him and obey Him. He obeyed the Law perfectly, and told His followers to obey even the smallest detail of the Law. Or, your Master could be someone that tells you to defy YHVH's Law, make up your own law, and do whatever is right in your own mind. They might even reverse engineer Scripture to justify wanton disobedience. They might take pagan sex festivals, rename them and tell you that Jesus approves. He doesn't.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

//Are they claiming that "the law of sin and death." isn't about The Mosaic Law?

The Law of sin and death is, “the soul that sins, it shall die.”

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

After 15 verses of warning about the heathens trying to intimidate them, Paul says “don't let these heathens judge you for eating Kosher, observing the feasts and the lunar calendar of YHVH and his Sabbaths.”

The NEXT VERSE says these are shadows of Messiah. ONLY the feasts decreed by YHVH can be shadows of the Messiah. Pagan holidays with Jesus attached to them are NOT shadows of the Messiah.

YHVH gave us a bunch of holidays to observe because they are all about Jesus.

Let's see how Jesus fulfilled the Law through these festivals:
Exodus 12:3, the selection of the Passover Lamb, fulfilled by Matthew 21:9.
Leviticus 23:5, the rehearsal of the events of Exodus 12, fulfilled by the crucifixion and that fulfillment confirmed by 1 Corinthians 5:7. (Is Jesus “Passover Lamb” or “Easter ham?”)
Leviticus 23:10 fulfilled by Matthew 27:52.
Leviticus 23:11-12 described in John 20:17

The High Priest offers the first fruits offering. The saints that rose from the graves that day were the first fruits.

Leviticus 23:16 is the Day the Holy Spirit is poured out.

That suggests "following the Spirit" doesn't mean "follow whatever comes to mind."

Without a Law to fulfill, any impostor would have just as legitimate a claim as Jesus.

Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Acts 28:23
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Paul used the Law to PROVE Jesus is Messiah! But YOU know better than Paul what the Law is all about! After all, YOU are a "real Christian," right?

We are simply dead to the Law sister, and married to another.......it's not complicated. Just as our fore-runner, Jesus who had been born under the Law also died to it when He died on the cross and was re-born so to speak....resurrected. Born again believers who try to be law-keepers by keeping those feasts......are not pleasing the Lord, it is a way that seemeth right to man (but leads to death), and it is even an abomination to Him...very filthy in the spirit as we can see by this verse:

Isa 66:3
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Feasts are sacrifices. And Christ is our Passover Lamb, already slain once and for all. And He has ordained bread and wine to represent Him now, as oft as we do it to remember His once for all death/sacrifice that already took place......and we can do this at any time. To continue with sacrifices/feasts in a way that considers them necessary when He has already been sacrificed is a denial of His once for all sacrifice and treading it under foot.

 

[Cassandra]

Not the old way of the letter, but the new way of the Spirit now which is according to the law of love and conscience.

That is exactly what I said. He magnified the Law.

 

[David in NJ]

We are simply dead to the Law sister, and married to another.......it's not complicated. Just as our fore-runner, Jesus who had been born under the Law also died to it when He died on the cross and was re-born so to speak....resurrected. Born again believers who try to be law-keepers by keeping those feasts......are not pleasing the Lord, it is a way that seemeth right to man (but leads to death), and it is even an abomination to Him...very filthy in the spirit as we can see by this verse:

Isa 66:3
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Feasts are sacrifices. And Christ is our Passover Lamb, already slain once and for all. And He has ordained bread and wine to represent Him now, as oft as we do it to remember His once for all death/sacrifice that already took place......and we can do this at any time. To continue with sacrifices/feasts in a way that considers them necessary when He has already been sacrificed is a denial of His once for all sacrifice and treading it under foot.

JESUS is ALL 7 Feasts = the Feasts are contained in JESUS = HE Fulfills them all

 

[Lizbeth]

That is exactly what I said. He magnified the Law.

Did I misunderstand you..?...sorry if I did......it just depends on whether one is talking about the letter of the Law or the spirit of it.

 

[pittsburghjoe]