he has murdered hundreds of innocent people you dont know he is pure evil

[Scott Downey]

Thanks for posting those Scriptures.

But you should apologize for making a false statement. The Bible does indeed say, “abstain…. from blood.”


If a doctor tells an alcoholic to “abstain from alcohol”, would it be OK if the guy then transfuses / injects it into his system?

Before you make further false accusations, I’d suggest you inform yourself of blood-transfusion dangers, such as GVHD, TACO, & TRALI.

And BTW, no respectable hospital or doctor will guarantee a patient that a blood transfusion will save their life.
There are viable, safer alternatives. Ones that wouldn’t break God’s Law.


What did Jesus mean by His words at Luke 9:24; Luke 17:33? How can we “save” our life, by losing it?

You should direct your railings against Christendom with the same fervor… they’ve been killing their brothers (& disobeying Christ) since their inception.

We honor life… but we value obedience to Jehovah & Jesus, more.

Abstain from eating blood is what that is referring.

An example
Genesis 9:4
But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

 

[Scott Downey]

Leviticus 3
12 ‘And if his offering is a goat, then he shall offer it before the Lord. 13 He shall lay his hand on its head and kill it before the tabernacle of meeting; and the sons of Aaron shall sprinkle its blood all around on the altar. 14 Then he shall offer from it his offering, as an offering made by fire to the Lord. The fat that covers the entrails and all the fat that is on the entrails, 15 the two kidneys and the fat that is on them by the flanks, and the fatty lobe attached to the liver above the kidneys, he shall remove; 16 and the priest shall burn them on the altar as food, an offering made by fire for a sweet aroma; all the fat is the Lord’s.

17 ‘This shall be a perpetual[b] statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings: you shall eat neither fat nor blood.’ ”

 

[Scott Downey]

Leviticus 7, see this is what it means to abstain from blood.

21 Moreover the person who touches any unclean thing, such as human uncleanness, an unclean animal, or any abominable[a] unclean thing, and who eats the flesh of the sacrifice of the peace offering that belongs to the Lord, that person shall be cut off from his people.’ ”

Fat and Blood May Not Be Eaten​

22 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 23 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘You shall not eat any fat, of ox or sheep or goat. 24 And the fat of an animal that dies naturally, and the fat of what is torn by wild beasts, may be used in any other way; but you shall by no means eat it.

25 For whoever eats the fat of the animal of which men offer an offering made by fire to the Lord, the person who eats it shall be cut off from his people.

26 Moreover you shall not eat any blood in any of your dwellings, whether of bird or beast.

27 Whoever eats any blood, that person shall be cut off from his people.’ ”

 

[Scott Downey]

I don't eat blood, not deliberately. Tasted my own, but see keep this in the proper perspective.
I also do not seek out fat to eat that either. But we all do eat fat, fat is mixed into many foods you eat.

 

[marks]

I don't eat blood, not deliberately. Tasted my own, but see keep this in the proper perspective.
I also do not seek out fat to eat that either. But we all do eat fat, fat is mixed into many foods you eat.

That's interesting.

Do then JW's also abstain from fat?

@Aunty Jane @TheHC

Much love!

 

[Aunty Jane]

That's interesting.

Do then JW's also abstain from fat?

@Aunty Jane @TheHC

Good question….glad you asked.
It is established in Scripture that blood is sacred to God as the very symbol of life….life is given by God and he alone can dictate what must be done with it. Three times in three different eras, God re-emphasized the sanctity of blood and that it was not to be consumed by humans….yet animals have no such prohibition.
They are not made in God’s image and therefore do not have laws that they break if they do what humans do. They have no moral code or conscience, but humans are restricted in their activities by the laws of God.

Since the law on consuming blood was also reiterated to Christians, we can understand how important it is to respect life, and what belongs to God. (Lev 17:11; Deut 12:23; Acts 15:29) We have no sanction to misuse it even to supposedly “save our lives”…..No Jew could break God’s law on the sanctity of blood, as if there was some excuse for doing so. The law was clear and not negotiable….and it carried the death penalty…so was it a serious crime in God’s eyes?

Now, what about the prohibition on eating fat? How does that translate into the Christian era?
When Israel was commanded to sacrifice to Jehovah, they had to give him their very best sacrificial animals….nothing with a defect of any kind was acceptable, (Lev 22:21) and the fat of that animal was said to be the choicest part, and so the best of that entire sacrificial animal belonged to Jehovah…the one who received that sacrifice and read the heart of the one sacrificing it. Do we understand why?

When Israel degenerated into token worship, they tried to present defective animals for sacrifice, thereby keeping the best for themselves…..their wicked hearts were not giving to Jehovah anything of value, but were in effect disrespecting and insulting him as their Sovereign.

But Christians were no longer under the law, which Christ had come to “fulfill”. He was the ultimate perfection as he offered himself as a sacrifice for mankind. With that ultimate sacrifice paid, no animal sacrifices were then required to atone for sin from that time onward. Christ ended the law and now released the Jewish disciples of Jesus from having to observe its many restrictions, and this included the foods that Jews to this day will not eat.

We know what fat smells like when it is cooked with the meat, and we are free now to enjoy it because the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus removed the restriction.

Hope that answers your question….

 

[marks]

Now, what about the prohibition on eating fat? How does that translate into the Christian era?
When Israel was commanded to sacrifice to Jehovah, they had to give him their very best sacrificial animals….nothing with a defect of any kind was acceptable, (Lev 22:21) and the fat of that animal was said to be the choicest part, and so the best of that entire sacrificial animal belonged to Jehovah…the one who received that sacrifice and read the heart of the one sacrificing it. Do we understand why?

Also, upon pain of death.

What it sounds like to me . . . blood pudding, not so yummy, but fat is yummy, so, we don't have to keep the Law regarding fat, but we do regarding blood.

Wait, that's not right. The prohibition was against eating meat with blood, which has nothing to do with a transfusion. Whether a transfusion is a good idea or not is an entirely different matter.

So if you are being consistent, you would avoid eating blood, and eating fat.

But let's look at why the Apostle said what he said, he gave the reason,

Acts 15:19-21 KJV
19) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20) But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21) For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Being sensitive to the Jews who lived among them, and had been taught continually from Moses.

Much love!

 

[Berean]

The medical profession was hijacked about a hundred years ago by those who saw it as a means to make themselves very wealthy. This is easy to research……they took over the medical schools and introduced their own “treatments”……why do you think that with all the medical interventions and artificial chemical drugs that those in the Western world line up to take, (and pay so much money for)….are sicker than they have ever been, and are now since CV 19 maimed and deceased through the administration of an untested experimental drug that fear was used to force it on a world population? Were you a victim of this scam?

A hundred years ago, eh? So, a hundred years ago when the Society wrote the following who were they in cahoots with since they advocated AGAINST vaccines?

“The public is not generally aware of how large an industry is the manufacture of serums, anti-toxins and vaccines, or that big business controls the whole industry…. the boards of health endeavor to start an epidemic of smallpox, diphtheria, or typhoid that they may reap a golden harvest by inoculating an unthinking community for the very purpose of disposing of this manufactured filth….Vaccination summed up is the most unnatural, unhygienic, barbaric, filthy, abhorrent, and most dangerous system of infection known. Its vile poison taints, corrupts, and pollutes the blood of the healthy, resulting in ulcers, syphilis, scrofula, erysipelas, tuberculosis, cancer, tetanus, insanity, and death.” – The Golden Age, January 3, 1923, p. 214​

“It has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs.”- The Golden Age, Jan 16, 1924​

“Thinking people would rather have smallpox than vaccination, because the latter sows the seed of syphilis, cancers, eczema, erysipelas, scrofula, consumption, even leprosy and many other loathsome affections. Hence the practice of vaccination is a crime, an outrage and a delusion.” – The Golden Age May 1, 1929 page 502​

“ON READING a report in The Golden Age that seventy percent of New York’s children are defective, and eighty-five percent of Chicago’s children, we must all realize that this terrible condition is only of very recent years.​

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How can it be otherwise? The streets are just lined with M.D. poison squirters. They are seen everywhere with grips full of the most deadly poisons and needles for injecting them. This they do to every child they can corner.​

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Without doubt the fifteen and thirty percent found O.K. are in most cases those who have escaped the poison squad. First, there is the M.D. vaccinating mania. Then comes the antitoxin for other excuses, etc., until the children are full of the most deadly poisons known. Added to this is the fact that they are compelled to drink milk from cows that have also been subjected to a liberal injection of tuberculin, a most terrible deadly poison. This poison enters directly into the blood circulation. Hence the milk. Then this milk is sterilized, or scalded to the boiling point or nearly so, destroying much of the life-giving nourishment of the milk, but not injuring the poison therein. Scalded milk, for either adults or children, is very constipating. This in turn causes more deaths and resulting ailments than do all other causes combined, I surely believe.” – The Golden Age 07/24/1929 p. 682​

“Avoid serum inoculations and vaccinations as they pollute the blood stream with their filthy pus.”- The Golden Age 11/13/1929 pp. 106, 107​

“…the vaccination law reduces the father and mother to mere slavery, almost as bad as the colored people were in, when their children were put up on the block and sold. In many slave-sale cases the mother and father were even forbidden to shed tears.​

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Vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah after the flood.”​

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“VACCINATION HAS NEVER SAVED A HUMAN LIFE-IT DOES NOT PREVENT SMALL POX.” – The Golden Age 02/04/1931 p. 293/294/297​

A CERTAIN “health” commissioner offered the suggestion a short time ago that no mother could give her child a better present for “Christmas” than diphtheria immunization, meaning an injection of filthy and poisonous serum.​

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It is said that diphtheria is particularly deadly of late, and that seems likely. Parents cannot give their children the foods needed to build sturdy bodies that can resist the disease. But while parents are not able to get proper foods, they can get the serum injections for their children free.​

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The Devil is bent on destroying the human family, denying them the necessary comforts of life, and urging them to give their children “Christmas” presents of germ-laden pus. What a travesty of civilization!”
– The Golden Age 03/27/1935 p. 409​

And yet 100 years later, the Society was advocating for vaccines to the point where if you didn't get the jab, you weren't allowed at the Kingdom Hall.

Interestingly, the Society has stated the following in recent years:

Jehovah’s Witnesses are not opposed to vaccination. We view vaccination as a personal decision for each Christian to make. Many of Jehovah’s Witnesses choose to get vaccinated.​

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For decades, the publications of Jehovah’s Witnesses have emphasized the following principles:​

Health-care decisions are a personal matter.—Galatians 6:5.​

“[This magazine] does not recommend any one type of medicine or therapy over another and does not offer medical advice. Its aim is simply to present facts and to leave it to the reader to make judgments and decisions.”—Awake!, February 8, 1987.​

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“The question as to whether you and your children should be vaccinated is something for personal decision.”—Awake!, August 22, 1965.​

But is that really the case. All one has to do is look up the references above from The Golden Age magazine to see that isn't the case. I guess you'll just chalk it up to "new light".

 

[Berean]

Do then JW's also abstain from fat?

I know a lot of fat Jehovah's Witnesses, so, I'd say "no"

 

[Aunty Jane]

Wait, that's not right. The prohibition was against eating meat with blood, which has nothing to do with a transfusion. Whether a transfusion is a good idea or not is an entirely different matter.

Marks, is this a comprehension problem or a comment made because you didn’t read what was posted?
Please watch the video that was posted along with my original explantation.

Here is the link again…. Risks of blood transfusions

This was not put up by Jehovah’s Witnesses….it is on the Australian Government’s website.

So if you are being consistent, you would avoid eating blood, and eating fat.

If you failed to follow the reasoning contained in the explanation then that is entirely your problem.

 

[marks]

If you failed to follow the reasoning contained in the explanation then that is entirely your problem.

I followed your reasoning, I found it inconsistent, and misapplied. You think that Acts 15 set a new Law for those in Christ to live according to, and I think you've misunderstood the point of the passage, the point of the Law, and the New Covenant.

As for your video, that's another matter entirely, whether it's medically wise or not. And I don't watch videos, I'm having a conversation with you.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Marks, is this a comprehension problem or a comment made because you didn’t read what was posted?

Look at the context of the passage, and you tell me what the context of that passage is. Acts 15, that is. What exactly did the Apostle say?

Much love!

 

[Aunty Jane]

And yet 100 years later, the Society was advocating for vaccines to the point where if you didn't get the jab, you weren't allowed at the Kingdom Hall.

Interestingly, the Society has stated the following in recent years:

Were the brothers wrong in their assumptions about the corruption of the medical industry? I think they were spot on….and the medical establishment of today is proof that they have a business model that works very well for them….to keep people sick and dependent on their expensive drugs (prescribed by their highly paid pimps) for the rest of their miserable lives. They are not interested in cures…..just in ongoing treatments…..you haven’t noticed? Most doctors will shut up and do as they are told rather than to lose their livelihood.

What changed over time was the realization that no one can dictate another persons choices about what will, or will not be allowed to be injected into their body. It had to be a personal choice, so the brothers made sure that every one of us had a clear idea of what that meant…..we are individually responsible for what we put in our own bodies. And to research the subject as thoroughly as possible before making a decision.

The vaxx mandate virtually shut down the world, but JW’s still had to function….we are also legally responsible to obey the superior authorities when their laws do not conflict with God’s law. There is nothing in the law about vaccines….so decisions had to be made as what course to follow. Principles had to be applied which govern every law that Jehovah gave.
If the vaxxes were dangerous, God would eventually undo the damage….they still have to feed the flock….and they did.
As for meetings…we didn’t miss a single one thanks to Zoom.
only Christendom was disadvantaged by the mandates.

We were still given options, and those who chose to take the vaxx did so of their own free will, seeing the big picture. I for one, could not in all conscience do that, but it was my choice after much research.

I know a lot of fat Jehovah's Witnesses, so, I'd say "no"

Very mature comment from one who lives in the most obesity affected country in the world….
You obviously have no overweight people in your brotherhood….and being overweight in today’s malnourished world, is not only due to overeating, but eating a bad diet and being affected by the endocrine disrupters from the chemical additives in everything that affects life in a world ruled by the devil.

You never miss an opportunity to slip in a snide remark….best you get a grip and act like an adult.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I followed your reasoning, I found it inconsistent, and misapplied. You think that Acts 15 set a new Law for those in Christ to live according to, and I think you've misunderstood the point of the passage, the point of the Law, and the New Covenant.

Why was it necessary to restate the law on blood to Christians? Since the Jews were well acquainted with the law, who was being instructed about what was still required of Christ’s disciples? The gentiles had no such law, because they were not forced to convert to Judaism before becoming Christians…..so it was for their benefit mostly that this decision was made and included those “necessary things”.

And since Christ had abolished the law, that did not negate the principles that it contained…..sexual immorality was still forbidden, as was the consumption of blood…..putting blood into the body by any means was against God’s law.….there were no such things as blood transfusions in those days, so it required the application of principles…..putting something into the veins is still a method of consumption as those who cannot be fed by mouth have their “food” administered intravenously.
If the doctor tells a patient to “abstain” from alcohol does that mean he can take it intravenously, but not via his mouth? It all ends up in his bloodstream anyway.

As for your video, that's another matter entirely, whether it's medically wise or not. And I don't watch videos, I'm having a conversation with you.

Are you another one who is apparently threatened by videos?…..says a lot really. It’s not our video…it’s on a public website of the Australian Government…..the comments made were from experts in the field, outlining the ever present dangers of blood transfusions. What has any one got to fear from the truth?

 

[Berean]

Were the brothers wrong in their assumptions about the corruption of the medical industry? I think they were spot on….and the medical establishment of today is proof that they have a business model that works very well for them….to keep people sick and dependent on their expensive drugs (prescribed by their highly paid pimps) for the rest of their miserable lives. They are not interested in cures…..just in ongoing treatments…..you haven’t noticed? Most doctors will shut up and do as they are told rather than to lose their livelihood.

Nice deflect. Were they speaking for God at that time? (1920s, 30s) I would say so, since they claim Jesus appointed them as their slave in 1919.

Apparently Jesus changed his mind because vaccines are now seen as the next best thing to slice bread. I don't know how it was in Australia, but here in America, depending on where you lived, churches, temples, mosques and businesses were shut down by the government. Ministers were arrested for having services. Kingdom Halls were closed, so much for "obeying God, rather than rulers." Then, when they were allowed to resume services, You had to wear mask and sit 6 feet apart, kingdom halls for the most part were empty.

What changed over time was the realization that no one can dictate another persons choices about what will, or will not be allowed to be injected into their body. It had to be a personal choice, so the brothers made sure that every one of us had a clear idea of what that meant…..we are individually responsible for what we put in our own bodies. And to research the subject as thoroughly as possible before making a decision.

You can if you threaten them with being disfellowshipped. If I was a JW and had a blood transfusion, even though it was my right to do so, I would be removed from the congregation. So, while the rank and file can make their own decisions on matters, there are consequences for doing so. Remember, that was the whole purpose of the Australian commission a few years ago, how Witnesses were excommunicated and spurn by the congregation, leading the Society to bend the rules to appease the various governments.

The vaxx mandate virtually shut down the world, but JW’s still had to function….we are also legally responsible to obey the superior authorities when their laws do not conflict with God’s law. There is nothing in the law about vaccines….so decisions had to be made as what course to follow. Principles had to be applied which govern every law that Jehovah gave.
If the vaxxes were dangerous, God would eventually undo the damage….they still have to feed the flock….and they did.
As for meetings…we didn’t miss a single one thanks to Zoom.
only Christendom was disadvantaged by the mandates.

We were still given options, and those who chose to take the vaxx did so of their own free will, seeing the big picture. I for one, could not in all conscience do that, but it was my choice after much research.

Yes, "there is nothing in the law about vaccines", but that didn't stop your leaders in the past from mandating that the rank-and-file NOT take vaccines or other health/medical procedures under the threat of excommunication.

Here in the states, if you weren't vaccinated, JW's couldn't attend in person meetings. They had to meet via zoom, and now Kingdom Halls are practically empty because they haven't returned to the Hall, preferring to meet via zoom.

As to Christendom, here in the states, they used zoom also, and as I stated earlier, many ministers were arrested and churches padlocked because they refuse to NOT hold in person services.

Since Bible Students for the most part have house churches (meeting in private homes) it didn't affect us one bit, we met in person twice a week.

Very mature comment from one who lives in the most obesity affected country in the world….

Actually, we're 13 on the list, but perhaps you should do your research on the obesity rate in Australia. According to this report:

65.8% of Australian adults are living with overweight or obesity​

The prevalence of obesity among Australian men aged 65 to 74 years is 40.6%​

In outer regional and remote Australia, the prevalence of overweight (including obesity) is 70.3%​

You obviously have no overweight people in your brotherhood….and being overweight in today’s malnourished world, is not only due to overeating, but eating a bad diet and being affected by the endocrine disrupters from the chemical additives in everything that affects life in a world ruled by the devil.

In the ecclesia I meet with, no, there aren't any overweight brethren, of course you know how you women are, you're 5 lbs overweight and you think your morbidly obese.

But as a whole, there are overweight brethren, I won't deny that. I'm not one of them, I currently have 14 percent body fat, as I work out everyday, and as a mailman, I walk 15 miles a day.

 

[marks]

Are you another one who is apparently threatened by videos?…..says a lot really.

See, look at you! I say I don't watch the videos, you pounce, Threatened? Says a lot!

So you see, this kind of behavior tells me about you, not me. No, I'm not here to watch a movie. I'm here to have a conversation. But for you, it's occassion for attack.

But this doesn't surprise me because I've interacted with you before.

Much love!

 

[marks]

.putting blood into the body by any means was against God’s law.

Those are your words, not God's. What God said was about eating practices. Man often has added to God's Law, it's what man does. Man feels superior, a pleasant feeling for fallen man, when man can lord over others with their own made up "law".

Meanwhile, Jesus died to remove us from Law, only, we are to be sensitive to others with weaker faith, who don't accept our liberty in Christ, but still believe in Him.

Much love!

 

[Aunty Jane]

See, look at you! I say I don't watch the videos, you pounce, Threatened? Says a lot!

So you see, this kind of behavior tells me about you, not me. No, I'm not here to watch a movie. I'm here to have a conversation. But for you, it's occassion for attack.

Good grief! And you are not being defensive now? Are you not attacking me….? All I am doing is sharing information that is NOT just my personal opinion.

You see, the video was the basis for my assertions….not made by JW’s, but by medical experts in this field.
It takes courage for doctors to stand up for the truth! Many have lost their license to practice medicine because they know and have revealed what many are now coming to realize. The medical system is a dreadful hoax!

To refuse to see and hear the evidence presented by qualified doctors in this field of medicine, is to put your fingers in your ears by saying I don’t watch videos? It’s the truth but apparently you don’t want to hear the truth…you want to hang on to the lies masquerading as truth by one of the most deceitful systems on the planet.….dedicated to the ill health of the populations subjected to it because it means ongoing profits for them at our expense..…are you one lining up to defend that without hearing the evidence first hand? Ignoring the problem doesn’t make it go away.

But this doesn't surprise me because I've interacted with you before.

I guess we are advocates for very different agendas.….and ‘never the twain shall meet’.

I will allow the readers here to use their own discernment and wonder why you and others are so adamant that I am wrong….but it’s not MY opinion that I am expressing. If it was I would understand your reaction, but it’s not. I do not have the credentials….the doctors in the video, do.
Just watch the video, because if you don’t, you destroy your own credibility….you speak from a willing ignorance.

Those are your words, not God's. What God said was about eating practices. Man often has added to God's Law, it's what man does. Man feels superior, a pleasant feeling for fallen man, when man can lord over others with their own made up "law".

Did I make it up? And how are people “fed” in hospitals when they cannot eat by mouth? They are “fed” intravenously…..same administration as blood transfusions. It is consuming blood to take it into your body by any means.

Blood is sacred to God as the Scriptures plainly state…..even to eat an unbled animal was against God’s law...hence the statement in Acts 15:28-29….”what has been strangled“ is an animals that has not been properly bled.…so twice in that directive the sanctity of blood is stressed…..and this was directed at Christians….mostly to gentiles because they were not acquainted with God’s law to the Jews.

What precipitated this directive was the issue raised by Jewish Christians who wanted gentile Christians to observe Jewish law, especially circumcision…..but the answer was clear…..

”For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.” (NASB)

These were the only “essentials”…..and they were to “abstain”…..from blood”
The word in Greek is “apechō” and it means….”to hold back, keep off, prevent” (Strongs)

“Abstain” means what it says….no loopholes are mentioned in those “essential” requirement.

Meanwhile, Jesus died to remove us from Law, only, we are to be sensitive to others with weaker faith, who don't accept our liberty in Christ, but still believe in Him.

This law was part of the directive given by the apostles and older men to Christians, and it meant the same to them as it did to Jews. Same God….same requirement…restated. You can’t make this word mean something else just because you want to justify it.

There is no “liberty in Christ” to sin….it appears that your excuses do not hold ‘scriptural’ water.
It is not a weak faith that leads to breaking God’s law….it is faithless disobedience.

JW patients are living proof that you do not need blood to save your life…..more people die after a transfusion than who ever die from refusing one. Why would there be hospitals dedicated to the non-blood managements of their patients if it was the “life saving“ treatment it is claimed to be? Inform yourself.

 

[marks]

Good grief! And you are not being defensive now?

How so? Because I pointed to your behavior?

Go ahead and characterize me however you like, that's on you.

Much love!

 

[Aunty Jane]

How so? Because I pointed to your behavior?

Go ahead and characterize me however you like, that's on you.

“Characterize“ you? That is all you took from my post to you?
Those three short sentences are what you replied to when I was merely drawing attention to you doing exactly what you accused me of doing…but there was so much more to reply to…..

Do you have no defense for your position'? If you haven’t watched the vIdeo, (it’s only short) there can be none. Your silence will say it all, and those who have watched the video will have something important to contemplate.