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If you can relate, Id love to know
ha i can def relate, but fwiw i would take it as a sign that some change is needed, and i am on the wrong path! Or at least that a change is needed lol. anyway, there are some like exercises for that, but as mentioned, they involve pain

fwiw its pretty hard to be depressed when you are juiced up on endorphins and not critically, chronically deficient in some necessary nutrient;

but then again the Bible says that we tend to always want more, huh?
Why cant i be satisfied with my overflowing cup lol
i think it has to do with wanting to be of the world, some kinda way
measuring ourself by the world
“the grass is always greener” type stuff
 
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In Luke, there is a passage where Jesus says to be his disciple, we must hate even our own lives.

Even though my life is as good as it can possibly be, all I know right now is that I hate that I can't be in heaven with Jesus right now.

When I think about the world and how messed up it is, or even about my own life and how I just feel a sense of loss being on earth, I just want to translate straight into heaven and meet the Lord.

If you can relate, Id love to know. Do you think this is what it means to hate our life on earth?



I can relate. I’m still stuck on proverbs 29:24 “He who is partner with a thief hates his own life; He hears the oath but tells nothing.” I’m stuck there because is that a good thing or a bad thing? But that verse has stood out for a while as being similar to
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
 

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These verses tell us not to become ensnared in the ways of the world but to distance ourselves from it, it's a key requirement of Christianity-

"Don't love the world or the things in it, otherwise the love of God is not in you" (1 John 2:15-17)
"Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth" (Colossians 3:2)
"A friend of the world is the enemy of God" (James 4:4)
"You were dead when you followed the ways of the world" (Ephesians 2:1-2)


Sure, we all sometimes wish we could get away to a better place-
"Elijah came to a broom tree, sat down under it and prayed that he might die. "I have had enough, Lord ," he said. "Take my life; I am no better than my ancestors." Then he lay down under the tree and fell asleep.
All at once an angel touched him and said, "Get up and eat." (1 Kings 19:3-7)
"The night is nearly over,day is almost here" (Romans 13:12)


The moral of that is to ride it out when we're fed up and make ourselves a cup of tea, relax and watch some TV, there are some good programmes on nowadays such as The Waltons- "Granma knits a shawl for the county fair, and Olivia bakes a cake".
Hmm sounds good..;)
 

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Even though my life is as good as it can possibly be, all I know right now is that I hate that I can't be in heaven with Jesus right now
I came that you might have life, more abundantly
which, strangely, seems to require that you hate your life, metaphorically speaking of course
 

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In Luke, there is a passage where Jesus says to be his disciple, we must hate even our own lives.

Even though my life is as good as it can possibly be, all I know right now is that I hate that I can't be in heaven with Jesus right now.

When I think about the world and how messed up it is, or even about my own life and how I just feel a sense of loss being on earth, I just want to translate straight into heaven and meet the Lord.

If you can relate, Id love to know. Do you think this is what it means to hate our life on earth?


This world is that prison to which Jesus came to set the captives free, saying also, "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also" John 14:3

In other words...this is not that placed--not if you are changed, not if you are made a new person, not even if things go from being tragic to joyful.

There should be no question that Jesus was simply and bluntly saying "Everything you knew before, is nothing to love or get attached to." Or in the case of Israel leaving Egypt headed for the promised land, "...nothing to go back to."

Life in the world leaves much to be desired. Jesus was acknowledging that, and stating the terms for change.
 
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Do you think this is what it means to hate our life on earth?
No. What Jesus meant is that we are not to regard life on earth as the primary life, nor the things of this earth as the primary things. He wants us to focus on the eternal, not the temporal. At the same time, life on earth has a purpose for God, and you should be focused on your purpose. What are you supposed to be doing with your time, your talents, and your resources? That is the real issue.
 
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Oh yes, I forgot about the fence! It deteriorated and fell down over a decade ago. :D

Ahahaha! Well :oops:, not really funny but, water under the bridge...Hey...BTW-I am planning (hoping for) a road trip. Have friends and family down South but, they are coming here in July so, I have driven to Cape Cod, Saratoga Springs, the more Eastern States as well as the Midwest and several Southern and Western states but, never Maryland. Would you hate for me to visit, lol! I could drive you crazy in person! Ahaha. I would of course, get a motel room...whatcha tink??
Sorry...kind of OT...
Inbox me, let me know what you think?

Stunned by grace, you're in Maryland? So am I! Well, right on the PA border though (central/western MD). If Nancy plans a roadtrip out this way, we should all meet up. That would be really awesome.

Yes, I am anxious to be in heaven right now. Lambano has a good point though:
No, I don't think that's what He meant. I think He meant a willingness to lay down anything that makes our lives "good" in order to accomplish His purposes in this world.

And yeah, I don't know about you, but I have problem with that. But I know it's true.

I think that is what it means more. And I'm sure I'm not okay with it either. Four years ago, I actually would have not wanted to go to heaven. I had everything here--the love of my life basically. It was a paradise (as close as can be) on earth. Then the Lord called my husband home and I feel it was to loosen my ties to this earth. Now I'm ready to go. The things here just don't satisfy.

Yet, while I'm waiting I want to be comfortable. I try to find some small pleasure in doing some other things. That is what would be difficult for me to give up should the Lord call me to do so, to pick up my cross and follow him. I know I couldn't without his grace and strength. I'm just really not anxious to find out. The trial with my husband was bad enough; I don't want to go through anymore.

I definitely hear you though that this world just does not have much here for me to want to stay in it (the outrageous sinfulness of the secular folk; the remaining sin in myself when I fail to act in a godly manner; being mostly around unbelievers and their usually empty conversations void of praise and love to God; the curse of this world where things don't act the way they should). In fact, if I were to have a choice to stay here or be in my eternal home I would choose to be in my eternal home immediately, no question or thinking about it. I still hope that God will call me home soon. I do strive to walk closely with him while I am still here since I know that since I am here he still has some work for me to do (not works which would earn salvation, just to clarify, but the works that the Lord has prepared beforehand for me to do to serve him).
 

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I can relate. I’m still stuck on proverbs 29:24 “He who is partner with a thief hates his own life; He hears the oath but tells nothing.” I’m stuck there because is that a good thing or a bad thing? But that verse has stood out for a while as being similar to
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

It’s a bad thing. It’s saying you partner with a thief if you heard what went on and know the thief twisted it to their favor later or maybe even is outright blatantly lying, and you don’t step up and speak for the other person as one who heard and can attest that the twisting is going on.
 

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It’s a bad thing. It’s saying you partner with a thief if you heard what went on and know the thief twisted it to their favor later or maybe even is outright blatantly lying, and you don’t step up and speak for the other person as one who heard and can attest that the twisting is going on.

And this can be in big things but it’s every day in little things. It’s only a huge problem if someone is a screaming narcissist because they cannot self evaluate or their persona of perfectness would collapse. It’s a problem if one stays silent and doesn’t defend the one being lied about by saying, that’s not what happened, I heard the oath/conversation. Usually, the reason for staying silent is so the person doesn’t turn on you and try to destroy you the way they are trying to destroy the other person.
So it’s a…self preservation thing and allowing an innocent person (at least in this matter) to be destroyed. It’s the opposite of loving justice for your neighbor as much as you love justice for yourself. It’s fearing what men might do to you and loving yourself more than your neighbor.

It all gets easier and clearer when you begin to see just how awful and in clever “hiddeness” the useless conversation/way of life we learned from our parents is. Your senses get trained to discern the hidden things you were trained to ignore, and begin to see what is manipulation of the flesh by a bad spirit.
 
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In Luke, there is a passage where Jesus says to be his disciple, we must hate even our own lives.

Even though my life is as good as it can possibly be, all I know right now is that I hate that I can't be in heaven with Jesus right now.

When I think about the world and how messed up it is, or even about my own life and how I just feel a sense of loss being on earth, I just want to translate straight into heaven and meet the Lord.

If you can relate, Id love to know. Do you think this is what it means to hate our life on earth?


Wynona: The hating of this life is an outgrowth of you being reborn and growing as a believer in Christ. It's a new natural instinct as we grow and mature as Christ in this world, filled with its spirit of the dead and unbelievers. We now are in the service of God because we are members of Christ's seed. We cannot serve the two masters of sin and of our holy God, it's impossible. On has to go.

I've literally in a spiritual sense lost family members and friends because of my new spirit of vitality (Greek 'zoe') life within me. It now detests or hates my old spirit of sin and other spirits of the dead as we take up our own cross daily as Christ did in his service to the Father.

(Mat 10:34) “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
(Mat 10:35) For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
(Mat 10:36) And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
(Mat 10:37) Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
(Mat 10:38) And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
(Mat 10:39) Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.


(Luk 14:25) Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them,
(Luk 14:26) “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
(Luk 14:27) Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.
(Luk 14:28) For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?
(Luk 14:29) Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him,
(Luk 14:30) saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’
(Luk 14:31) Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand?
(Luk 14:32) And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace.
(Luk 14:33) So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.

(Joh 12:23) And Jesus answered them, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.
(Joh 12:24) Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.
(Joh 12:25) Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
(Joh 12:26) If anyone serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there will my servant be also. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.

Christ never loved his human life. It was a life for the dead. This is how Yahshua wants us to view our mortal life as new believers in him – that natural human soulish lower instinctive life Greek ‘psuche’ or ‘psyche’ leads to death not new life. As believers our life points to the new immortal life of vitality, Greek ‘zoe.’

We detest or hate the world because of who we are today.
 
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No, I don't think that's what He meant. I think He meant a willingness to lay down anything that makes our lives "good" in order to accomplish His purposes in this world.

And yeah, I don't know about you, but I have problem with that. But I know it's true.

But then with that honesty and sight, you can ask for what you see you lack!
 
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Hi Wynona,
Funny how my eyes settled right on this thread. I was only just now thinking about how not one thing in this world satisfies in any way. I ask God all the time "Will today be the day Lord? In my case, I probably hate just being "alive" in it. It is so frustrating to want to speak with others about Christ but since not leaving the house for such long periods of time, no chance to do that also, no true friends to speak of anymore...never thought it would be so almost impossible to make Christian friends through the church.
I don't think God want's us to think this way though- (“I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.” (John 17:11, 14–15.)- Now a days, keeping from evil people is def impossible and their ears are closed.
So, you I and probably most other Christians would much rather be with Him than here...can't happen soon enough.
Good thoughts sister.

I'd like to encourage you to listen to this song. Please pay attention to all the lyrics, but you may find solace in the opening and closing stanza...


Wonderful Lord Jesus is in control, and the brothers and sisters of loving King Jesus are thankful in all things (1 Thessalonians 5:18).
 
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I'd like to encourage you to listen to this song. Please pay attention to all the lyrics, but you may find solace in the opening and closing stanza...


Wonderful Lord Jesus is in control, and the brothers and sisters of loving King Jesus are thankful in all things (1 Thessalonians 5:18).
Thank you Kermos! Yes, the lyrics spoke to me and perhaps others too if they listened.
Thank you for being kind bro, was a nice listen to this morning!
 

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Stunned by grace, you're in Maryland? So am I! Well, right on the PA border though (central/western MD). If Nancy plans a roadtrip out this way, we should all meet up. That would be really awesome.

:) Big smiles!!
I will follow you so I can find you again toward the end of summer.
 
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