Has this forum embraced the Wokeness culture by any chance.

[Jay Ross]

The question of Wokeness on this forum should be discussed. Is this wokeness a problem or not?

How is wokeness raising its head on this platform?

Discuss

 

[quietthinker]

The question of Wokeness on this forum should be discussed. Is this wokeness a problem or not?

How is wokeness raising its head on this platform?

Discuss

How do you understand 'Wokeness'?

 

[Jay Ross]

How do you understand 'Wokeness'?

On this forum we have a women's only forum, limited to only women members, but if equality was a hallmark of this forum, then there would also be a men's only forum limited to only male members.

Does this demonstrate "wokeness" or am I overreacting.

 

[Bob]

Thank you all for your posts.

If the forum women want to be able to chat in a corner by themselves, it doesn’t bother me (it happens all the time in life).

I can’t imagine the need for a men-only forum, despite Judeo-Christian heritage.

Is there other woke-ness? From what I have perceived in this forum, the (outside) woke culture is opposed to any and all Christian beliefs, precepts, etc. It is very much part of the rest of the world, while we are not. A word like “love” has a completely different meaning, if it has one at all. When I arrive here, it is if I have entered a virtual sanctuary, because it is God-centered.

But if you see otherwise, I am open to enlightenment!

Blessings.

 

[quietthinker]

On this forum we have a women's only forum, limited to only women members, but if equality was a hallmark of this forum, then there would also be a men's only forum limited to only male members.

Does this demonstrate "wokeness" or am I overreacting.

Overreacting? hmmm, I'd say vague. Can you be un-vague please.

 

[Jay Ross]

Overreacting? hmmm, I'd say vague. Can you be un-vague please.

I am following your examples of vagueness.

 

[Rita]

Have you ever asked for a man’s only forum?
If you have and admin refused but allowed a women’s one , then it could be argued as treating one group with a bias , but if no one has asked then it’s because no men have actually suggested it.

 

[Debp]

the (outside) woke culture is opposed to any and all Christian beliefs, precepts, etc.

@Jay Ross The above is how I define Wokeness.

About the women only forum, I go to one other Christian forum. They have a women only forum but it is not even visible to anyone but women. You need a password to enter that forum there. I don't go to the women's only forums...I prefer to talk with everyone.

 

[quietthinker]

I am following your examples of vagueness.

If something is not understood, asking/ enquiry is the direct line to find out.
If there is no asking/ enquiry the persons ignorance remains.

If the person being asked then charges the other with 'vagueness' while denying them the asked information, integrity is flawed.

 

[Jay Ross]

If something is not understood, asking/ enquiry is the direct line to find out.
If there is no asking/ enquiry the persons ignorance remains.

If the person being asked then charges the other with 'vagueness' while denying them the asked information, integrity is flawed.

Then, we both have a dilemma.

 

[Lambano]

On this forum we have a women's only forum, limited to only women members, but if equality was a hallmark of this forum, then there would also be a men's only forum limited to only male members.

The general assumption behind a women-only forum is that the guys with the testosterone are going to dominate any discussion, so the ladies need a place where they can be themselves.

Whether that's a valid assumption, someone could do a PhD study and publish a paper.

 

[Debp]

The general assumption behind a women-only forum is that the guys with the testosterone are going to dominate any discussion anyway.

Whether that's a valid assumption, someone could do a PhD study and publish a paper.

What made me laugh was when a couple of guys mistakenly posted in the women's only forum and got reprimanded for it! lol

 

[Lambano]

What made me laugh was when a couple of guys mistakenly posted in the women's only forum and got reprimanded for it! lol

Tell 'em to turn in their man-cards and put on a dress!

 

[Lambano]

What made me laugh was when a couple of guys mistakenly posted in the women's only forum and got reprimanded for it! lol

I've caught myself posting in those threads. It's almost as embarrassing as when I walked into the wrong restroom at work.

 

[Jay Ross]

The general assumption behind a women-only forum is that the guys with the testosterone are going to dominate any discussion, so the ladies need a place where they can be themselves.

Whether that's a valid assumption, someone could do a PhD study and publish a paper.

Woke principles have a wide range of turf in which it raises its ugly head.

The woke principle that you must, for example, conform to a particular theological understanding otherwise your expressed opinions are not acceptable to the loud opponents who hold to very different POVs.

Wokeness is a means of controlling the environment in which people meet to exchange ideas. It is usually associated with people who have a closed mind as to how a topic passage/idea should be understood.

Where certain parables are interpreted contrary to the context of the parable as told. In other words, the parable has been turned on its head contrary to the intended context for the parable in question.

One such understanding, which is stoutly held by one particular member, is that Israel, as well as Christians, must return to the Land of Canaan before they will become able to reconnect once more with God and be saved.

Wokeness is an issue on this forum and is often on display every day by how members treat each other.

There is a lot of growth needed by all forum members to restore any sense of harmony between all of the members.

How this can be achieved harmoniously needs to be fleshed out so that we can all understand what our part/responsibilities are when joining in any forum/thread discussion.

Shalom

 

[Hidden In Him]

The general assumption behind a women-only forum is that the guys with the testosterone are going to dominate any discussion, so the ladies need a place where they can be themselves.

I think it's a valid concern. Men can get very aggressive in how they "discuss" things with women in Christ sometimes, and I don't myself see it as being "left out" if they wanna discuss things amongst themselves. Granted, as a married man, when your wife is involved in discussing things with women only, sometimes part of you is thinking, "I hope someone in that bunch is giving at least a fair semblance of the male perspective on things here, or she's gonna get it cemented into her head that certain things are 'true' when they don't account for the male perspective at all."

It's kinda like when I watch those Hallmark movies with her sometimes. They're nice and all, but you can tell the writers are often women, because the men... often don't respond like men. I'll be sitting there watching and it's like, "Ok, is this guy actually a man or just a woman in a man suit, cuz no man I know would respond like that." It's weird.

Anyway, I realize things can get a little skewed if you separate the sexes, but at the same time women should have a place where they can be safe from being mentally assailed every time they wish to discuss an issue by men who are treating them like just another man. The sexes need to understand that they are different from one another and appreciate that fact, not ignore it like it doesn't exist and then mistreat and/ or misunderstand one another due to a bias, or ignorance.

 

[amigo de christo]

I think it's a valid concern. Men can get very aggressive in how they "discuss" things with women in Christ sometimes, and I don't myself see it as being "left out" if they wanna discuss things amongst themselves. Granted, as a married man, when your wife is involved in discussing things with women only, sometimes part of you is thinking, "I hope someone in that bunch is giving at least a fair semblance of the male perspective on things here, or she's gonna get it cemented into her head that certain things are 'true' when they don't account for the male perspective at all."

It's kinda like when I watch those Hallmark movies with her sometimes. They're nice and all, but you can tell the writers are often women, because the men... often don't respond like men. I'll be sitting there watching and it's like, "Ok, is this guy actually a man or just a woman in a man suit, cuz no man I know would respond like that." It's weird.

Anyway, I realize things can get a little skewed if you separate the sexes, but at the same time women should have a place where they can be safe from being mentally assailed every time they wish to discuss an issue by men who are treating them like just another man. The sexes need to understand that they are different from one another and appreciate that fact, not ignore it like it doesn't exist and then mistreat and/ or misunderstand one another due to a bias, or ignorance.

Look at what you just wrote . I hope someone in the bunch is giving at least a fair semblence of the male perspective on things .
THAT is the problem . If someone sees error
on the womens thread , THEY HAVE A DUTY to correct it without being outcast cause they male .
IF the women want to have a place
this is okay , SO LONG as ...........................it can be seen by the men and
if error is spotted , LET them correct it .

 

[Bob]

Woke principles have a wide range of turf in which it raises its ugly head.

The woke principle that you must, for example, conform to a particular theological understanding otherwise your expressed opinions are not acceptable to the loud opponents who hold to very different POVs.

Wokeness is a means of controlling the environment in which people meet to exchange ideas. It is usually associated with people who have a closed mind as to how a topic passage/idea should be understood.

Where certain parables are interpreted contrary to the context of the parable as told. In other words, the parable has been turned on its head contrary to the intended context for the parable in question.

One such understanding, which is stoutly held by one particular member, is that Israel, as well as Christians, must return to the Land of Canaan before they will become able to reconnect once more with God and be saved.

Wokeness is an issue on this forum and is often on display every day by how members treat each other.

There is a lot of growth needed by all forum members to restore any sense of harmony between all of the members.

How this can be achieved harmoniously needs to be fleshed out so that we can all understand what our part/responsibilities are when joining in any forum/thread discussion.

Shalom

Thank you for the wise comments.

On the one hand, you are correct that some discussion and comments here are anything but gentle, and one wonders if some members truly understand Love Your Neighbor. It is all “Woe to you . . . .” There are way too many accusations of insincerity.

On the other hand, we don’t have the (violent) woke cancel-culture. The closest to it would be if I were to write (hypothetically) that Original Sin stems from a misunderstanding of the original intent of the Adam & Eve story, that it is only an allegory, and they (we) are “fallen” because God created us a social mammals with those basic behaviors built in. A woke-culture would demand my post be removed and an apology written before I could pen anymore posts.

However: Haven’t Christians behaved as in our forum for centuries, stoutly defending the precepts of a denomination, giving no ground, absolutely convinced that the right path is theirs and theirs alone? (Unfortunately, yes.)

So: your plea is right and just: let us contend harmoniously, without rancor or ad hominems.

Peace.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Look at what you just wrote . I hope someone in the bunch is giving at least a fair semblence of the male perspective on things .
THAT is the problem . If someone sees error
on the womens thread , THEY HAVE A DUTY to correct it without being outcast cause they male .
IF the women want to have a place
this is okay , SO LONG as ...........................it can be seen by the men and
if error is spotted , LET them correct it .

I don’t agree with having an all women’s section on a Christian forum at all. It’s not biblical to shut brethren out just because they are the opposite sex. The Lord told the lambs to separate themselves from the world and not be unequally yoked. However, the Lord did not tell us to separate out the men brethren from the women brethren. To me, to not allow the men to comment and post is just wrong, biblically.

 

[Jericho]

On this forum we have a women's only forum, limited to only women members, but if equality was a hallmark of this forum, then there would also be a men's only forum limited to only male members.

Does this demonstrate "wokeness" or am I overreacting.

Hi Jay. I wouldn't categorize it as "woke" myself. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with women having their own forum, although ideally men should have their own too, if we're going to be fair about it. I wouldn't mind having more insular sub-forums. I liked how on our old forum there were forums specifically for the different rapture views, but there was also one where we could discuss them all freely.

From what I have perceived in this forum, the (outside) woke culture is opposed to any and all Christian beliefs, precepts, etc.

That's certainly a byproduct of it. But in the broader context, I would define it as cultural Marxism.