tailgator
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So where is Gog invading the land of Israel a second time in ezekiel like you claim he does?
Show us the chapter and verse.
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Show us the chapter and verse.
tailgator
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So you believe Jesus does not gather the 144,000.into the land of Israel?
So where do I you claim they are if not in the land of Israel?
You believe that Jesus will not return until after Revelation 20:7-9 over a thousand years from now ?
Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree to know what generation will not pass without seeing Jesus's return.
1967 + 70 years = 2037. Jesus will return before the end of 2037.
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Ezekiel 39 does not include the 1000 year millennium rule of Jesus, nor Satan being imprisoned in the bottomless pit during those 1000 years, nor Satan's release to deceive the nations one last time - which will include the Gog-Magog nations again.
The 144,000 will be redeemed from the earth, Revelation 14:3. Whether they will be martyred or not, I don't know.
tailgator
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Actually
Ezekiel 37 shows Jesus's rule.
Ezekiel 37
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Do you disagree that Jesus will be king of Israel forever?
Or do you believe Benjamin netanyahu will be king forever.
tailgator
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The word earth (ghay)means soil.
The 144000 are the first fruits redeemed from the soil.
Aka ,first resurection.
Oh Douggg, verse Matt 24:32 gives us a timespan of 91 plus years from when the fig tree budded new leaves to when the summer season began.
Matt 24:32: - “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.
but you have assumed that the fig tree budded new leaves in 1967, some 20 years after the nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan was established in 1948, which is agreed with by many commentators, as the year in which Israel began budding new leaves once again.
Trees bud new leaves at the end of the Winter Season, not three or so weeks later as you are insisting on.
In Matt 24:34, the Greek Root found embedded in the Greek Word, "genea" is G:1074 and has the meaning of and "age/generation."
Now you are understanding that "genea" has a time duration equivalent to the average duration of a descendant generation, but verse 32 spoke of a "summer season" that was near which has a duration of 1,000 years and when we add the duration of the Little While Period of 24 years we end up with the duration of an Age, which of course is the last age for mankind or the seventh age.
Now when we look at Daniel 7:11-12 we read: -
Daniel 7:12: - 11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
which was first spoken of in Isaiah 24:21-22, but you also want to ignore this two-verse passage as well in your private interpretation.
When we build our understanding from a false premise, then our understanding become very weird and your understanding of the end times is really wierd.
Goodbye Douggg
Jerusalem is the fig tree in the parable of the fig tree, based on Matthew 21:18-20, as he and the disciples were entering Jerusalem, the week he would be crucified by his own people the Jews, Jesus cursed a fig tree beside the road..."Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever". And the kingdom of God was taken from that generation of Jerusalem to be given to the generation of Jerusalem that will experience Jesus's return.
(As a result of the Six Day War) in 1967, June 7, Jerusalem became back in the hands of the Jews. So 1967 forms the base for the generation that will not pass away. In Psalms 90:10, a generation is 70 years of normal life expectancy, only by strength of a healthy body, the life expectancy is 80 years.
So, 1967 + 70 years for a generation = 2037. Jesus will return by 2037.
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Yes.
No. And it is not known how long he will continue as prime minister of Israel.
tailgator
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You say Christ will not be king of Israel forever?
John 12:13
They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”
“Blessed is the king of Israel!”
You sure you believe Christ is not be king of Israel forever?
If Ezekiel 37:24-25 is not speaking of Christ,then who do you claim it is?Who do you claim is king of Israel forever in Ezekiel 37:24-25?
Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Douggg, can you justify that the "Fig Tree" is a metaphor that can be understood to represent Jerusalem with a scriptural reference?
Because without a scriptural confirmation that the Fig Tree is a metaphor for the city of Jerusalem, your conclusion is on very shaky grounds.
There are only around 33 direct references to "fig tree" in the scriptures.
Which verse among these can be connected to the Temple?
Looking forward to your reply
Matthew 21:
18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.
19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
The city was Jerusalem. Jesus was looking for fruit, but found none, representative of what that generation of Jerusalem produced as far as works in regards as receiving Jesus as their king.
Verse 18, they were on their way to the temple.
Verse 23
23 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
You are selling Amos short, because the Old Testament prophets may have lived back in history, but that does not mean God did not give prophecy through them also about the very end of this world. The Amos 8:9-13 and Amos 9:9 for examples reveal this. The first example is happening right now, and the last example won't happen until Lord Jesus returns to gather His elect of the lost ten tribes of Israel.
The deceived Jews will continue to think the coming false-Messiah is the true Messiah until the actual 'day' that Jesus returns. Then... when they see Jesus Christ, they will wish for the mountains and hills to "Fall on us", and "hide us".
Only a small remnant of NON-deceived Christians of Judah will already know what the coming false-Messiah will be about, and won't be deceived, and will wait for Jesus to return.
One of the things that stood out to me in your sentence was "it's" image. It appears that you are referencing Revelation 20:4, NIV. I use the KJV which has "his" image.
Go to this link and you can compare translations.
The beast-king has to be man - for his number 666 is the number of a man - not an "it".
Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 20:4 - New International Version
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads...www.biblegateway.com
And the image of man is what GOD's Own Image Likeness is, as also the image of the angels He also made with that image of man.
So I have to laugh at folks that keep 'trying'... to claim that only someone born in the flesh with the image of man can represent that coming Antichrist per that Rev.13 666 statement. No, it CAN... also represent an 'angel', for they have that image of man also.
Jesus was referring to the coming days of vengeance in 70 AD when many would die when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem to put down a Jewish revolt.
Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE) - Wikipedia
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Yeah, you failed to comment what I showed from the Luke 23 Scripture, and just tried to bypass what Lord Jesus said there about deceived Jews for the day of His future return.
And I was NOT talking about 70 A.D. I was talking about the DAY of Christ's future return when deceived JEWS will appear in shame when Jesus shows up, and they realize they instead bowed to the false-Christ instead. They won't know that is a false-Christ UNTIL Jesus comes to reveal it to them.
Nah, it is you... that is trying to change the issue of those Ezekiel 39 events.
When the following happens...
Ezek 39:6-8
6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
7 So will I make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel; and I will not let them pollute My holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
KJV
... that IS... the LAST DAY of this world with the battle of Armageddon. It is when Christ will destroy those armies coming against Israel; those armies out of the northern quarters will come against both the Israel nation in the middle east AND the Israel in the Christian West.
You instead wrongly try... to add a 7 years period in between that destruction of Gog/Magog and the battle of Armageddon on the last day. Where did you get that idea from, your Jewish brethren?
Yet the United Nations made Israel give HALF of Jerusalem back to the Arabs, and the Arabs even still control the Temple Mount today. What was that Israeli tank general that gave half of Jerusalem to the Arabs after that 1967 war, something like Dyan I think?
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