Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

[Douggg]

Jesus talks about the time of the gentiles in verse 24 with the Jews being kicked out of the kingdom in verse 24.
Not verse 25.

Luke 21:24
They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Verse 24 says nothing about being "kicked out" of the "kingdom". The term kingdom is not used at all in verse 24.

Verse 25 picks up in the end times and the last episode of the Gentiles trampling down Jerusalem, which is Revelation 11:2.

In other words the Jews are kicked out at the end of the 42 months when the gentiles are occupying Jerusalem in revelation 11.They go into exile .The same as zech 14 and Amos 5 says.
The unbelieving Jews are cast out of the kingdom on the day of the Lord as I've already quoted.

No, Revelation 11:2 does not say anyone is "kicked out" or go into exile. Nor is the term "kingdom" used in Revelation 11:2.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

All of the timeframes for the end times given in the bible fit within the 7 years following Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 39. The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9

Here are all the end times timeframes give in the bible with a brief description...

gentiles trample Jerusalem - 42 months Revelation 11:2
the beast-king's reign - 42 months Revelation 13:5
Satan's persecution - time, times, half time Revelation 12:14
little horn changes times and laws - time, times, half time Daniel 7:25
Daniel's people under duress - time, times, half time Daniel 12:7
abomination of desolation, great tribulation - 1335 days Daniel 12:12
abomination of desolation, tribulation of those days - 1290 days Daniel 12:11
little horn's actions - 2300 days Daniel 8:14
7 years - Daniel 9:27
7 years - Ezekiel 39:9
Israel burying the dead of Gog's armies - 7 months Ezekiel 39:12
Israel fed the Word of God - 1260 days, Revelation 12:6
the two witnesses testify in Jerusalem - 1260 days Revelation 11:3
the two witnesses' bodies lay dead - 3 1/2 days Revelation 11:9-11
flesh tormenting locust - 5 months Revelation 9:10

 

[tailgator]

Verse 24 says nothing about being "kicked out" of the "kingdom". The term kingdom is not used at all in verse 24.

Verse 25 picks up in the end times and the last episode of the Gentiles trampling down Jerusalem, which is Revelation 11:2.


No, Revelation 11:2 does not say anyone is "kicked out" or go into exile. Nor is the term "kingdom" used in Revelation 11:2.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

All of the timeframes for the end times given in the bible fit within the 7 years following Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 39. The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9

Here are all the end times timeframes give in the bible with a brief description...

gentiles trample Jerusalem - 42 months Revelation 11:2
the beast-king's reign - 42 months Revelation 13:5
Satan's persecution - time, times, half time Revelation 12:14
little horn changes times and laws - time, times, half time Daniel 7:25
Daniel's people under duress - time, times, half time Daniel 12:7
abomination of desolation, great tribulation - 1335 days Daniel 12:12
abomination of desolation, tribulation of those days - 1290 days Daniel 12:11
little horn's actions - 2300 days Daniel 8:14
7 years - Daniel 9:27
7 years - Ezekiel 39:9
Israel burying the dead of Gog's armies - 7 months Ezekiel 39:12
Israel fed the Word of God - 1260 days, Revelation 12:6
the two witnesses testify in Jerusalem - 1260 days Revelation 11:3
the two witnesses' bodies lay dead - 3 1/2 days Revelation 11:9-11
flesh tormenting locust - 5 months Revelation 9:10

Luke 21:24
They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.


The Jews being led prisoners into all nations is how the Lord kicks them out.

It's like you don't comprehend that it's God who causes the nations to come against the Jews and overcome them on the day of the Lord.Verse 24 above is about end times day of the Lord.


Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.



Do you not see where the dorc of God says that he will gather all nations against Jerusalem and the city shall be taken,?
Do you not see where the Jews go forth into captivity in verse 2?

Zech 14 and Amos 5 day of the Lord says the same thing as Luke 21:24.

 

[tailgator]

Verse 24 says nothing about being "kicked out" of the "kingdom". The term kingdom is not used at all in verse 24.

Verse 25 picks up in the end times and the last episode of the Gentiles trampling down Jerusalem, which is Revelation 11:2.


No, Revelation 11:2 does not say anyone is "kicked out" or go into exile. Nor is the term "kingdom" used in Revelation 11:2.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

All of the timeframes for the end times given in the bible fit within the 7 years following Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 39. The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9

Here are all the end times timeframes give in the bible with a brief description...

gentiles trample Jerusalem - 42 months Revelation 11:2
the beast-king's reign - 42 months Revelation 13:5
Satan's persecution - time, times, half time Revelation 12:14
little horn changes times and laws - time, times, half time Daniel 7:25
Daniel's people under duress - time, times, half time Daniel 12:7
abomination of desolation, great tribulation - 1335 days Daniel 12:12
abomination of desolation, tribulation of those days - 1290 days Daniel 12:11
little horn's actions - 2300 days Daniel 8:14
7 years - Daniel 9:27
7 years - Ezekiel 39:9
Israel burying the dead of Gog's armies - 7 months Ezekiel 39:12
Israel fed the Word of God - 1260 days, Revelation 12:6
the two witnesses testify in Jerusalem - 1260 days Revelation 11:3
the two witnesses' bodies lay dead - 3 1/2 days Revelation 11:9-11
flesh tormenting locust - 5 months Revelation 9:10

The Jews are not kicked out when the gentiles arrive in revelation 11:2.That is when the false prophet arrives in Jerusalem.
The false prophet who practices it's authority for 1260 days(42months).

The false prophet with two horns like a lamb .

It arrives in Jerusalem in Daniel 11:31.42 months before the time of the end in Daniel 11:40.
When they say the word" fire,"then fire will come down out of heaven and destroy their enemies

 

[Douggg]

It's like you don't comprehend that it's God who causes the nations to come against the Jews and overcome them on the day of the Lord.Verse 24 above is about end times day of the Lord.

Luke 21:24 is about the 70 AD destruction of the temple, followed by the Jews taken captives into the nations.

How do you think there are Jews present in the nations around the world ? They were taken captive into the nations, while the Gentiles have occupied Jerusalem for 2000 years. A part of that by the Muslims. The Jews did not come back into the land of Israel until after WWII, when a number of them returned and Israel became a nation in the land again in May 14, 1948.

 

[Jay Ross]

Every Christian evangelical who believes that all the Israelites alive at present need to return to the Land of Canaan, have also been deceived just like poor Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye.

Most of the prophetic passage which speak of God gathering the Israelites to Himself, speak of God Planting them in the soil of Israel but H:0127 does have the meaning of "soil", but it has been mistranslated as "land," in our various English translation. Many of these prophecies speak of God teaching the Israelites on the high places, i.e. mountains, where Israel had previously gone to worship their many idols, but the translations tell us that God will teach Israel on the Mountains/Religion of Israel.

So, what we have at present, is that, God's prophetic words concerning Israel are veiled/hidden from us such that our understanding of God intended purposes for the nation of Israel are hidden from our understanding of what is to happen during the end times.

Oh well, such is the life of the Evangelical Christians who believe that all the Israelites should return to the land of Canaan as Canaan was a part of the Everlasting promise that they would have possession of the land of Canaan forever, without considering the implications of what would happen to Israel if they would not repent of their continual idolatrous worship even up to and including this present time.

Perhaps, we Christian should also humble ourselves and repent of our flip flopping in and out of our relationship with God so that He can also heal our land.

Shalom

 

[Douggg]

Every Christian evangelical who believes that all the Israelites alive at present need to return to the Land of Canaan, have also been deceived just like poor Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye.

Jay, what do you mean by "need to return" ?

Prophecy about all of the children of Israel being brought back to the land of Israel is in Ezekiel 39:28 at the time Jesus returns. Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

Ezekiel 39:
28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 39:28 corresponds to Matthew 24:31 fulfilling a promise that God made in Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

 

[Davy]

Davy, the discussion was about Luke 21:6-24. Jesus was speaking there on the temple mount that day in the temple outer courtyard. When some there present commented in the grandeur of the temple in Luke 21:5. Then Jesus began to say to them that the temple would be destroyed in verse 6. And expanded to verse 24, when the Jews would be scattered into the nations.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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NOPE! You failed to 'rightly divide' God's Word according to subject with your false speculation above about that Luke 23:27-31 section of Scripture.

Luke 23:27-32
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck."
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, "Fall on us"; and to the hills, "Cover us."
31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

Then with verse 32 the subject changes...

32 And there were also two other, malefactors, led with Him to be put to death.
KJV

That part in 'red' in verse 29 was Lord Jesus quoting from Isaiah 54 with the parable of the 'barren' woman vs. the married woman. I doubt you understand what that parable is even about, and what timing it is referring to.

It ain't... pointing to 70 A.D.

It is pointing to the very END of this world with Jesus' future return. It is about those "Daughters of Jerusalem" who will have been deceived by the coming false-Messiah at the end of this world, and then Jesus is revealed, and they appear in SHAME because right then they will know they were DECEIVED! Thus they will wish for those "mountains" to "Fall on us", and for those "hills" to "Cover us".

Now I also gave you other Old Testament examples of that future event for the end of this world, so it's up to you to listen to God's Word about that and not those fakes you heed that suggested to you that Luke 23 warning by Jesus was only for Jews in 70 A.D. What a cop-out your idea is that you got from false workers crept in.



The below Scripture in 'purple' is that parable Lord Jesus quoted to those, "Daughters of Jerusalem" in Luke 23:27-32. The Scripture below in 'red' is about that parable in connection with... those final events to occur at the END of this world with Jesus' future return.

Isa 54:1-8
54 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8 In a little wrath I hid My face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
KJV


Apostle Paul referred... to that parable above in 'purple' in the 2 Corinthians 11 Chapter where he said he wanted to present believers to Christ as "a chaste virgin", and said Jesus is our True Husband. Paul was giving a WARNING about the coming Antichrist at the END of this world, NOT 70 A.D.!

2 Cor 11:2-4
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV

Did you even know... that there will be "another Jesus" coming first, at the END of this world?? Lord Jesus warned us about that coming false one that will appear on earth prior to His future return, and that "another Jesus" is to do great signs and wonders that IF it were possible, would deceive even His very elect (Matt.24:24). Paul also warned of that false one that comes first with the "man of sin" in 2 Thess.2. Apostle John also warned about that coming false one at the end of this world with the "another beast" of Rev.13 that is to work those wonders and miracles to deceive the whole world with.

So use your noggin just a little bit here, and ask yourself, WHY... would Apostle Paul connect that "Blessed are the barren..." parable of Isaiah 54 with his warning to Christian brethren about the possibility of their being deceived by that "another Jesus" at the end of this world, and even use that parable about presenting faithful believers to our symbolic Husband Jesus Christ as "a chaste virgin"? What would be the OPPOSITE of "a chaste virgin"? A HARLOT that fell away to bow to the false-Messiah that comes first PLAYING THE CHRIST!

Don't you understand then, what Jesus said to those "Daughters of Jerusalem" in Luke 23:27-31 from that Isaiah 54 parable is a WARNING about their future DECEPTION to the coming false-Messiah at the END of this world??

Break open your BIBLE and study, instead of playin' around with men's doctrines devised by those who don't have a clue about this simplicity that is in God's Word.

 

[tailgator]

Luke 21:24 is about the 70 AD destruction of the temple, followed by the Jews taken captives into the nations.

How do you think there are Jews present in the nations around the world ? They were taken captive into the nations, while the Gentiles have occupied Jerusalem for 2000 years. A part of that by the Muslims. The Jews did not come back into the land of Israel until after WWII, when a number of them returned and Israel became a nation in the land again in May 14, 1948.

The Jews are taken captive into all nations on the day of the Lord which Jesus is talking about

Jesus is not skipping thousands or millions of years from half of one sentence to the other half of the sentence as you claim

The sentence is the same time period


Luke 21:24
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


This entire sentence is speaking of the same time period.I have already proven with scripture the Jews in Israel are cast out of the kingdom and are led away captive on the day of the Lord .I've even posted why they are led away captive on the day of the Lord by quoting scripture .

 

[Douggg]

NOPE! You failed to 'rightly divide' God's Word according to subject with your false speculation above about that Luke 23:27-31 section of Scripture.

Davy, I was not addressing Luke 23:27-31, but Luke 21:5-24.

 

[Douggg]

This entire sentence is speaking of the same time period.I have already proven with scripture the Jews in Israel are cast out of the kingdom and are led away captive on the day of the Lord .I've even posted why they are led away captive on the day of the Lord by quoting scripture .

What are you calling "the kingdom" ?

 

[tailgator]

What are you calling "the kingdom" ?

The land of Israel.
The land promised to Abrahams seed(Christ).
The land of the resurected saints in revelation 20.
The land under heaven given to the saints in Daniel 7.



Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[Douggg]

The land of Israel.
The land promised to Abrahams seed(Christ).
The land of the resurected saints in revelation 20.
The land under heaven given to the saints in Daniel 7.

Then please say Israel, or land of Israel, and not "kingdom" because "kingdom" is often thought of as the "kingdom of God".

 

[tailgator]

Then please say Israel and not "kingdom" because "kingdom" is often thought of as the "kingdom of God".

Perhaps you did not read the answer.

The land of Israel is the kingdom of God given to the saints for an everlasting possession as God had promised Abraham.



27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.



Notice the verse says kingdom when speaking of the land under heaven.

 

[tailgator]

Then please say Israel and not "kingdom" because "kingdom" is often thought of as the "kingdom of God".

In other words The land which the beast occupies is consumed and then given to the saints for an everlasting possession.The land which the beast governs today.


Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Daniel 7:27 is referring to the kingdom given to Jesus in Daniel 7:13-14 in heaven. The kingdom given to Jesus is the kingdom of Heaven. Remember the verses where Jesus told Pilate that his kingdom was not of this world?

When Jesus returns, He will bring the kingdom of Heaven, to be the kingdom of God to rule over all the nations of the earth during the 1000 year millennium.

Remember in the Lord's prayer - ...."may your kingdom come..." ? That's what it is talking about, the kingdom of God ruling over the nations of the earth.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel 7:27 is referring to the kingdom given to Jesus in Daniel 7:13-14 in heaven. The kingdom given to Jesus is the kingdom of Heaven. Remember the verses where Jesus told Pilate that his kingdom was not of this world?

When Jesus returns, He will bring the kingdom of Heaven, to be the kingdom of God to rule over all the nations of the earth during the 1000 year millennium.

Remember in the Lord's prayer - ...."may your kingdom come..." ? That's what it is talking about, the kingdom of God ruling over the nations of the earth.

The saints in revelation 20 who have recieved the kingdom and reign with Christ are not in Persia,Ethiopia or Libya.
They are in the kingdom of Israel when all the nations outside the kingdom come against them.



Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[tailgator]

The saints in revelation 20 are the same saints in Daniel 7.

They did not inherit the entire world .

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, what do you mean by "need to return" ?

Prophecy about all of the children of Israel being brought back to the land of Israel is in Ezekiel 39:28 at the time Jesus returns. Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

Ezekiel 39:
28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 39:28 corresponds to Matthew 24:31 fulfilling a promise that God made in Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

Oh Doug, you like to make bold statements. Ezekiel 39:28 is not talking about the time of Jesus' return, but rather about the time when the completion of the Daniel 8:8-14 prophecy will occur in around 20 years' time.

Daniel 8:8-14: - 8 Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.​

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13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?"​

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14 And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."​

NKJV​

Now you believe that this prophecy only has a duration of 2,300 days because of the Seleucid Empire's desecration of the Temple around 160 BC but you ignore that the Temple and God's Earthly hosts are still being trampled even today and that this trampling will not be completed until the visitation of the Israel father iniquity upon their children and their children's children in the third and the fourth generation/age of their existence is finished. The fourth age of the existence of the nation of Israel still has another 20 or so years to come to its completion around the time 2044-2045. The trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts will also come to its completion at this time after which God will judge the wicked fallen heavenly host beasts, along with the kings of the earth who are being influenced to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts and remove them from the face of the earth by imprisoning them in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years.​

Douggg, the evidence we are seeing and what Israel is experiencing today confirms for us that the Little Horn and the armies he is still been given, even in this present time is continuing to happen and my understanding is that the Little Horn's power will be cut short around the year 2044-2045 AD.

Let us examine the Hebrew text for Ez 39:28-29: -





My understanding of the Hebrew Root Word H:0127 is that it is referring to God's prepared field/soil which Jesus hinted at in the parable of the Sower.

At the present time any scattered seed that is being spread in the nation of Israel is being choked out by the weeds of the cares of the world.

Now Douggg, you made this claim in your post: -

Ezekiel 39:28 corresponds to Matthew 24:31 fulfilling a promise that God made in Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

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Matthew 24:31: - 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.​

NKJV​

Which you claim is the fulfilment of this passage from scripture: -

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Deut 30:1-6: - The Blessing of Returning to God​

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30: 1 "Now it shall come to pass, when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the Lord your God drives you, 2 and you return to the Lord your God and obey His voice, according to all that I command you today, you and your children, with all your heart and with all your soul, 3 that the Lord your God will bring you back from captivity, and have compassion on you, and gather you again from all the nations where the Lord your God has scattered you. 4 If any of you are driven out to the farthest parts under heaven, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you. 5 Then the Lord your God will bring you to the earth which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it. He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. 6 And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.​

NKJV​

This is simply not true. Deuteronomy 30:1-6 is a forerunner to the Ezekiel 39:28-29 prophecy, but it is not a forerunner to the Mathew 24:31 prophecy as you are claiming.

It would seem that you are more confused than Hal Lindsay and Time LaHayes.​

 

[Douggg]

Oh Doug, you like to make bold statements. Ezekiel 39:28 is not talking about the time of Jesus' return,

Jay, don't you know that the feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is same feast in Revelation 19:17-18 ?

Which Jesus executes judgment on the armies that will have gathered to make war on Him. Look at Ezekiel 39:21.

In that verse, Jesus has returned, setting his glory among the heathen, the rebellious nations of the world. Having just executed judgement on those armies.


Ezekiel 39:
21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

 

[Douggg]

Deuteronomy 30:1-6 is a forerunner to the Ezekiel 39:28-29 prophecy, but it is not a forerunner to the Mathew 24:31 prophecy as you are claiming.

All three, Ezekiel 38:28-29, Matthew 24:31, Deuteronomy 30:1-6 is about God gathering the Jews from the nations into the land of Israel.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Deuteronomy 30:
1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.