Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

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Ever humans natural LIFE is it’s Blood.
“all” body’s life( Blood) Shall, Must Die. God requires (at Least Once) the Life of man to become Dead.
Gen 9:5

Glory to God,
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These people had already died and were resurected out of their graves.They do not suffer a second death. They dwell in the land safely,all of them

Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

 

[Douggg]

So you deny Jesus is Israel ,the son of God.

Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is not Israel.

Exodus 4:22
Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,

Figuratively, not literally. Israel the nation was as a firstborn son to God.

 

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Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is not Israel.


Figuratively, not literally. Israel the nation was as a firstborn son to God.

So you say.

Who is this called Israel?

Is it Benjamin netanyahu and his kingdom who you believe is Israel?




Isaiah
49 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.

5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

 

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These people had already died and were resurected out of their graves.They do not suffer a second death. They dwell in the land safely,all of them

And? Who said they did not Die?

 

[Douggg]

So you say.

Who is this called Israel?

Is it Benjamin netanyahu and his kingdom who you believe is Israel?

Isaiah 49 is about Jesus being born to the nation of Israel.

The Jews of Benjamin Netanyahu's generation will turn to Jesus in the middle of the 7 years that follow Ezekiel 39's Gog/Magog event. The 7 years are in Ezekiel 39:9. The Jews turning to Jesus and the gospel of salvation is in Revelation 12:10.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

"the accuser of our brethren is cast down" - who is the accuser?

So when you accuse the Jews, who's work are you doing ?

 

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And? Who said they did not Die?

The word of God which I have posted a couple times already

Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


They do not suffer a second death.
It means they have everlasting life and do not die a second time.They dwell safely and do not die as the people in Israel today are dying.Them who come out of their graves in Ezekiel 37 do not die and get buried again.They do not die again.

 

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Isaiah 49 is about Jesus being born to the nation of Israel.

The Jews of Benjamin Netanyahu's generation will turn to Jesus in the middle of the 7 years that follow Ezekiel 39's Gog/Magog event. The 7 years are in Ezekiel 39:9. The Jews turning to Jesus and the gospel of salvation is in Revelation 12:10.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

"the accuser of our brethren is cast down" - who is the accuser?

So when you accuse the Jews, who's work are you doing ?

Isaiah 49 says it is about Israel.
He is in fact called by the name Israel in this verse.

Isaiah 49
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.



The people who serve Benjamin's netanyahu will soon be receiving the mark of their king Benjamin netanyahu.The man they have chosen to lead them .

 

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"the accuser of our brethren is cast down" - who is the accuser?

So when you accuse the Jews, who's work are you doing ?

When Jesus accuses the Jews,who's work is he doing?

Jesus accused the beast to its face and told the beast what it will do.The beast will kill his prophets and apostles and persecutes them from city to city.This, the beast does both before it received a deadly wound and after the deadly wound is healed.




Mathew 23
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

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Here is an article about the unwavering support the king of the north has for the beast.The king of the north gives the beast a host in scripture and I believe that part of prophecy will be fulfilled this year.The king of the north also moves the tabernacles of his palace to Jerusalem (which has already been fulfilled)and he divides the land for gain(which he has already mentioned doing).

Our hostages might be home already if Biden supported Israel as much as Trump does - opinion

Americans support Israel, and the US government will demonstrate that support with concrete actions, diplomatic and economic strength, and a commitment to the values that the two countries share.

m.jpost.com

The beast which is described as being little in the bible relies heavily upon the false prophet for support.Suppprt is just what the beast will receive for the next 4 years

 

[Douggg]

When Jesus accuses the Jews,who's work is he doing?

Jesus accused the beast to its face and told the beast what it will do.The beast will kill his prophets and apostles and persecuted them from city to city.

Jesus is not the accuser

cast down in Revelation 12:10.

Jesus in Matthew 23:36 was speaking to that generation of his day.

Isaiah 49 says it is about Israel.
He is in fact called by the name Israel in this verse.

Isaiah 49
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Israel in that verse is speaking about the nation of Israel, who will glorify Jesus when He returns, saying "blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD" Matthew 23:39.

 

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The word of God which I have posted a couple times already

Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


They do not suffer a second death.
It means they have everlasting life and do not die a second time.They dwell safely and do not die as the people in Israel today are dying.Them who come out of their graves in Ezekiel 37 do not die and get buried again.They do not die again.

Who said they did not die?

 

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Jesus is not the accuser

cast down in Revelation 12:10.

Jesus in Matthew 23:36 was speaking to that generation of his day.



Israel in that verse is speaking about the nation of Israel, who will glorify Jesus when He returns, saying "blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD" Matthew 23:39.

Jesus is speaking to the beast.
A generation is a group of people with the same ideology.A nation.

The same nation which Jesus said would persecute his apostles from city to city 2000 years ago is the same nation that persecutes his apostles at the time of the end when Jesus comes

Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.






I understand the false prophet supports the beast because it believes the beast to be God's chosen people .What's your excuse for supporting the beast?

 

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Who said they did not die?

Do you not understand that the people who are brought up out of their graves had already died once before and do not die again?


Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.



It is not appointed to these resurected people to die twice .They will dwell in the land of Israel safely without fear of being killed again.
Revelation 20 says the second death has no power over them meaning they do not die again and return to the grave .

 

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Do you not understand that the people who are brought up out of their graves had already died once before and do not die again?


Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

No kidding. Thus the question of Who said they did NOT die?

 

[Davy]

Jesus was referring to the coming days of vengeance in 70 AD when many would die when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem to put down a Jewish revolt.

Nope! What those deceived of Luke 23:30 will say is about the LAST DAY of this present world, the day of "sudden destruction" Paul spoke of in 1 Thessalonians 5, which is about the "day of the Lord", which again, is about the LAST DAY of this present world when Lord Jesus returns. It was first prophesied in the Old Testament prophets...

Rev 6:15-17
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
KJV

Hos 10:8
8 The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars; and they shall say to the mountains, "Cover us"; and to the hills, "Fall on us."
KJV

Isa 2:17-19
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
18 And the idols He shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
KJV

Lord Jesus was repeating a prophecy about the end of this world on that 6th Seal of Revelation 6 and it's obvious Biblically illiterate folks don't even know it. Now that is a shame.

 

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No kidding. Thus the question of Who said they did NOT die?

Doug says the people in Ezekiel 37 do not come up out of their graves
He said it's a spiritual thing that took place in 1948 and that the people in Israel today are the same people as n Ezekiel 38:8.

Ezekiel 38:8
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.


The discussion you came into between me and Doug was on this issue.I was pointing out to him that the people in Ezekiel 38 who come up out of their graves in Ezekiel 37 are not the people who are being killed in Israel today.They people in Israel today do not dwell safely as Ezekiel 38:8 says

 

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Nope! What those deceived of Luke 23:30 will say is about the LAST DAY of this present world, the day of "sudden destruction" Paul spoke of in 1 Thessalonians 5, which is about the "day of the Lord", which again, is about the LAST DAY of this present world when Lord Jesus returns. It was first prophesied in the Old Testament prophets...

Rev 6:15-17
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
KJV

Hos 10:8
8 The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars; and they shall say to the mountains, "Cover us"; and to the hills, "Fall on us."
KJV

Isa 2:17-19
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
18 And the idols He shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
KJV

Lord Jesus was repeating a prophecy about the end of this world on that 6th Seal of Revelation 6 and it's obvious Biblically illiterate folks don't even know it. Now that is a shame.

Israel has built a lot of holes in the ground just for that purpose.They call them doomsday dens .

Doomsday dens: Inside Israel's bomb shelters – in pictures

There are more than a million bomb shelters in Israel, reflecting the nation’s collective siege mentality. But fear of doomsday hasn’t stopped people adapting them into gyms, rehearsal rooms and even dance class venues

www.theguardian.com

They even have an app to guide them to their nearest cave so that they can hide in when the stars of heaven start falling.

Rockets falling? There’s an app for that

Six ways Israelis are using technology to get information about rocket attacks during Operation Protective Edge

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Davy]

My friend believes as you do about the rapture and he wrote a book about it, he studied for years

Amazon.com

It's not that difficult to figure it out that the Church will go through the coming "great tribulation". Lord Jesus revealed that His coming to gather His Church is not until AFTER... that "great tribulation" per Matthew 24 and Mark 13. And Apostle Paul also showed that in 2 Thessalonians 2, and it is declared in specific other verses in Paul's and Peter's Epistles. Lord Jesus even 'let the cat out of the bag' in Revelation 16:15 when He declared that He comes "as a thief", which is a direct reference to the last day of this world which Paul and Peter both declared with their coverage of the "sudden destruction" and melting of the elements on the "day of the Lord" which they said will come "as a thief in the night" (per 1 Thess.5 and 2 Peter 3:10).

And that is why I teach against the false pre-trib rapture theory that comes from men and not from The Word of God. It's not rocket science, like that Amazon book description stated.

 

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Nope! What those deceived of Luke 23:30 will say is about the LAST DAY of this present world, the day of "sudden destruction" Paul spoke of in 1 Thessalonians 5, which is about the "day of the Lord", which again, is about the LAST DAY of this present world when Lord Jesus returns. It was first prophesied in the Old Testament prophets...

Davy, the discussion was about Luke 21:6-24. Jesus was speaking there on the temple mount that day in the temple outer courtyard. When some there present commented in the grandeur of the temple in Luke 21:5. Then Jesus began to say to them that the temple would be destroyed in verse 6. And expanded to verse 24, when the Jews would be scattered into the nations.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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Then in verse 25 Jesus begins talking about the end times, when the time of the Gentiles is over, and the last treading down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles (which is in Revelation 11:2) takes place.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

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Then in verse 25 Jesus begins talking about the end times, when the time of the Gentiles is over, and the last treading down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles (which is in Revelation 11:2) takes place.





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Correction
Jesus talks about the time of the gentiles in verse 24 with the Jews being kicked out of the kingdom in verse 24.
Not verse 25.



Luke 21:24
They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.



In other words the Jews are kicked out at the end of the 42 months when the gentiles are occupying Jerusalem in revelation 11.They go into exile .The same as zech 14 and Amos 5 says.
The unbelieving Jews are cast out of the kingdom on the day of the Lord as I've already quoted.



Revelation 11
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.