Grace

[soul man]

No body comes to the In Christ position that is not in grace, and no body comes to grace that is not in the in Christ position. Do you know why friends and loved one's cannot understand Christ living in you? They know nothing about the grace of God. We were never taught it. In fairness I heard "Christ in you" mentioned by my teachers (wonderful teachers) but it was never a highlight of their message with Christ literally being the life of the believer. So you cannot teach grace or know grace, not the pure grace of God, until you know the in Christ position.

It is like the denominational preacher that came to me after he had heard the message of grace and he said; He had been in this particular denomination for 30 years and they prided themselves in being a grace filled group. What he said was "I can see I know nothing about grace." What a statement for a preacher or anyone to make. The honesty of saying what he said is what struck me because he heard a truism and he responded.

It is the hungry that respond because they have done all they know to do to make it work and something was still missing. It may have just been missing in their knowledge but it was missing and your knowledge will be your life or the life you live. The preacher sinced grace was more than a word or sinning and being forgiven! He heard grace preached as a person for the first time ever in his words and it sparked an interest.

What is it that holds a believer back from knowing the grace of God? Very simple "law." Law, like anything else is a mind deal, what you know it is what orchestrates the mind in what it does. In this particular since it is what will keep a believer from knowing grace.

The only way to know grace is by the in Christ position, and the only way to know the in Christ position is to know grace. There is know getting around the fact these two entities work together as a whole.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

True Grace means you are truly born again and you will be Saved, as such you have Grace.
Many a Priest is not Saved sadly.
When it comes to religion one will find that such do not want you to truly come to Jesus Christ, they want you to be religious.
Fact is everyone is religious in fact regardless if you claim or reject the fact, all atheist are religious.
I have found the greatest zeal in religious people is that they are driven by some man made works, Political Correctness or Socialist objectives truly take the cake in such.
Abiding in the Vine, Christ Jesus is the wellspring that all must come to and as such they will be Saved by him and only by him, no one can Save your Soul but Jesus Christ himself.

I have a religious nut mate, now he is into religion, he boast to all that he is born again and gets out on the street doing good works ? handing out whatever and dictating to all his opinions demanding to all that he is right, he is bringing in the kingdom. the Jews are Gods people and the creation State called Israel is proof he claims. but all such is a work of man. he claims look what we are doing here ! we are bring it all about ? he is demanding it all to be a work of God.
I say the Anti-Christ is all who reject Jesus Christ regardless and they who are not truly born again, just remember they do not know our Lord and Saviour are Carnal beast even if they have faith in Jesus Christ, the problem is that they only have little faith and they can not truly abide in the Vine because they do not have 100% Faith in Jesus Christ as it's this that can move mountains so to speak.

As I heard Yoda say about the concept of try ? Yoda says Do ! there is no try !

 

[farouk]

No body comes to the In Christ position that is not in grace, and no body comes to grace that is not in the in Christ position. Do you know why friends and loved one's cannot understand Christ living in you? They know nothing about the grace of God. We were never taught it. In fairness I heard "Christ in you" mentioned by my teachers (wonderful teachers) but it was never a highlight of their message with Christ literally being the life of the believer. So you cannot teach grace or know grace, not the pure grace of God, until you know the in Christ position.

It is like the denominational preacher that came to me after he had heard the message of grace and he said; He had been in this particular denomination for 30 years and they prided themselves in being a grace filled group. What he said was "I can see I know nothing about grace." What a statement for a preacher or anyone to make. The honesty of saying what he said is what struck me because he heard a truism and he responded.

It is the hungry that respond because they have done all they know to do to make it work and something was still missing. It may have just been missing in their knowledge but it was missing and your knowledge will be your life or the life you live. The preacher sinced grace was more than a word or sinning and being forgiven! He heard grace preached as a person for the first time ever in his words and it sparked an interest.

What is it that holds a believer back from knowing the grace of God? Very simple "law." Law, like anything else is a mind deal, what you know it is what orchestrates the mind in what it does. In this particular since it is what will keep a believer from knowing grace.

The only way to know grace is by the in Christ position, and the only way to know the in Christ position is to know grace. There is know getting around the fact these two entities work together as a whole.

@soul man

I think I've mentioned before:

All of grace...

"All of grace, yes, grace surpassing,
Such a portion to bestow,
But the love, all knowledge passing,
Grace has taught us now to know.

Love that bore the stripes and sorrow,
Love that suffered on the Tree,
Love that shares the bright tomorrow,
With the loved ones, you and me."

 

[soul man]

@soul man

I think I've mentioned before:

All of grace...

"All of grace, yes, grace surpassing,
Such a portion to bestow,
But the love, all knowledge passing,
Grace has taught us now to know.

Love that bore the stripes and sorrow,
Love that suffered on the Tree,
Love that shares the bright tomorrow,
With the loved ones, you and me."

I like that, I think that is the first time I have seen it :-)

 

[DPMartin]

I see man's definitions and understanding about grace, especially the Catholicism views.

the first time Grace is mentioned in scripture is with Noah who found Grace in God's sight. even though Noah was the tenth born from Adam.
so in that sense through Noah all the children thereof that receives the condemnation of being born into sin, can now be under Grace of God.

the rest were destroyed but Noah and his children from then on found grace, the grace that the Lord God allowed man to continue on the face of the earth consuming His provisions and continuing in human nature, that some many become sons of God. hence ten generations later Abraham is the "man of Faith" the establishment of by grace through faith, and through grace by faith. and Abraham's faith is acknowledge by his God when the beloved son Isaac is offered.


grace isn't some mushy mystery, its a grace period if you will, that shall surly come to its fulfillment. the Lord teaches these thing through out scripture. when David was picking his stones to take on Goliath he chose five. Adam Noah Abraham David Jesus the fifth stone in the blood line of man, that takes down death and separation from God.

 

[mjrhealth]

Amen, God bless you all

 

[farouk]

I like that, I think that is the first time I have seen it :)

@soul man It's a hymn I happen to have known for years. Just goes to show I suppose that the sovereign grace of God has been so vital a subject in the Godly meditations of His pilgrim people.

 

[Spurgeon's Girl]

No body comes to the In Christ position that is not in grace, and no body comes to grace that is not in the in Christ position. Do you know why friends and loved one's cannot understand Christ living in you? They know nothing about the grace of God. We were never taught it. In fairness I heard "Christ in you" mentioned by my teachers (wonderful teachers) but it was never a highlight of their message with Christ literally being the life of the believer. So you cannot teach grace or know grace, not the pure grace of God, until you know the in Christ position.

It is like the denominational preacher that came to me after he had heard the message of grace and he said; He had been in this particular denomination for 30 years and they prided themselves in being a grace filled group. What he said was "I can see I know nothing about grace." What a statement for a preacher or anyone to make. The honesty of saying what he said is what struck me because he heard a truism and he responded.

It is the hungry that respond because they have done all they know to do to make it work and something was still missing. It may have just been missing in their knowledge but it was missing and your knowledge will be your life or the life you live. The preacher sinced grace was more than a word or sinning and being forgiven! He heard grace preached as a person for the first time ever in his words and it sparked an interest.

What is it that holds a believer back from knowing the grace of God? Very simple "law." Law, like anything else is a mind deal, what you know it is what orchestrates the mind in what it does. In this particular since it is what will keep a believer from knowing grace.

The only way to know grace is by the in Christ position, and the only way to know the in Christ position is to know grace. There is know getting around the fact these two entities work together as a whole.

Almost!

Ephesians 1:3-11English Standard Version (ESV)

Spiritual Blessings in Christ

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

God Speed