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Job maintained his righteousness with God, despite the sufferings. His 'friends' maintained his sin against God causing his sufferings.

You have nothing to do with Job, and everything to do with the fault-finders.

When we struggle against our sin

Struggling in sin is not struggling against sin, it's being defeated by it.

Our struggles are our gift to God.

Our gift to God? He needs a gift from us? Where in Scripture do we give gifts to God? Our sacrifice is not our gift to Him, it our necessity for our soul's sake. His sacrifice is His gift to us, for the opportunity to offer up a sacrifice of our souls to Him.

So Jesus paid for our sins in His blood by learning obedience to the cross, and the best OSAS is 'struggling' with it some before caving.

That's pretty pathetic.

but it is at least SOMETHING that we have done.

Well, yeah, sure. So that's the only difference between depraved sinners of the world and depraved sinners of OSAS: OSAS at least 'struggles' before giving in.

we struggled (and God overcame).

??? It is so strange to hear the carnal mind trying to talk about Scripture and doctrine of Christ.

We struggled and caved, but God overcame for us? What? He overcomes judging us for our sins, when we don't overcome sins for our own soul's sake??

I don’t think I would prefer to not even have those struggles to offer to God.

I know He would prefer you didn't offer Him your blessings of pre-caving 'struggles' at all. Just go ahead and repenting would be much more pleasing to Him.

OSAS is truly down for the struggle, and then down even lower for the defeat.
WOW, You really have ABSOLUTELY NO Fruit of the Spirit, do you?

16 I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will certainly not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don't do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I am warning you about these things -- as I warned you before -- that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. The law is not against such things. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

-[Galatians 5:16-26] (CSB)
 

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Ok, ok. Both she and I will freely acknowledge being disobedient and ungodly depraved sinners just like you.

Happy now?
1. see Post #930
2. I was not speaking to you, and after post #940 I have nothing to say to you that would not waste both our time. I converse with Christians, not graceless Pharisee bent on yolking the world with their Law and praising God that they are not like other men. Get back to me if you ever find "grace".
 
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WOW, You really have ABSOLUTELY NO Fruit of the Spirit, do you?

16 I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will certainly not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don't do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I am warning you about these things -- as I warned you before -- that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. The law is not against such things. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

-[Galatians 5:16-26] (CSB)
Oh, my bad.

Hey, that's some really interesting stuff you got there, Johnny! I don't believe a word of it, and there certainly is no Scripture for it, but hey, at least you tried! And so, you get good participation points today!

Ceeeeelebrate those points, C'mon!!
 

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OSAS is truly down for the struggle, and then down even lower for the defeat.
LOL! "OSAS" knows the struggle against sin, for sure. But "OSAS" rejoices in... it's?... victory in Christ now:

"...we are more than conquerors through him who loved us... neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."
[Romans 8:37-39]

...and sure freedom from all sin in the age to come... because of Christ's atonement for it and sure defeat of it at His return.:

"We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet... the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed... this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality... then shall come to pass the saying that is written: 'Death is swallowed up in victory'... 'O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?' The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."
[1 Corinthians 15:51-57]

So:

"Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain."
[1 Corinthians 15:58]

So again:

"(T)he gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable... God has consigned all to disobedience, that He may have mercy on all. Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and how inscrutable His ways! 'For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been His counselor? Or who has given a gift to Him that he might be repaid?' For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen."
[Romans 11:29-36]

Grace and peace to all.
 

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i sin everyday. Everyone does. Im already aware of that. But you still didnt say that you do. And now everyone knows you think you dont sin. My work here is done.
Your work? What work? I didn't join your rite of passage to the wide wide world of OSAS, and declare what a daily sinner I am, like you.

Is this another OSAS way of accomplishing something by failing in something?

I sin everyday.

Halleluiah!!! And all for the glory of God!!

Congratulations. Again.
 

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i sin everyday. Everyone does. Im already aware of that. But you still didnt say that you do. And now everyone knows you think you dont sin. My work here is done.
I have been honestly sincere with you on several occasions, to exhort you to repentance.

I'll not bother with that anymore.

However, I will make an alternative honest effort with you:

List these daily sins of yours, from least to greatest.

If they are indeed sins against Christ, and I do them, then I will acknowledge them to you.
 

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I don't think TULIP is entirely biblical. I don't think God's grace is "irresistable" and I don't think saints always persevere to the end.

We can't jump from God's hand in that were ever not in His hands. But we always can choose whether to serve Him or not and we can lose our salvation.

See 1 Timothy 4:1, Hebrews 3:12-15,
2 Peter 2:20-22 for just a few of the verses that describe salvation as conditional. It's conditioned on continuing in faith.


I don't think God's grace is "irresistable" and I don't think saints always persevere to the end.
I don't think God's grace is "irresistable" and I don't think saints always persevere to the end.

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

The Spirit of grace, even as the drawing of God can be despised and rejected:

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh.

A false teaching can easily be seen by all these 'words' that people come up with to teach it, which have no place in Scripture.

The carnal mind believes using 'inventive' words somehow legitimizes something.

Such as 'irresistible' grace. 'Celebratory' grace. 'Unconditional' grace. I heard one called 'radical' grace.

Believe me, sister, when anyone tries to describe a simple truth of Christ in terms of being 'radical', flee from it, because nothing about God is radical. The only thing radical is carnal man posing as teacher for God.

How about 'nonjudgmental' grace? 'Liberal' grace. 'Fearless' grace. Grace with no fear. 'Far out' grace.

Yeah, that's it. "Unconditional grace is really far out, ain't it?!"
 

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Is there a risk that God will drop you from His grasp before you finish your race? Or Can you jump from the hand of God?

It's called quitting the race. Concluding it is impossible to cease from sins any given day, and so giving up trying:

It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments.

Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from thy way;

The children of Ephraim, being armed, and carrying bows, turned back in the day of battle.

They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them:

Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


And so long as we aren't trying to justify it by greasy grace, then that would be someone to exhort and save.

But for those who conclude their salvation is already in the bag, with no need for the race...

Honest quitters just quit.

Greasy gracers slip out of God's hands.

Just when Scripture thinks to have them in their grasp, to repent of all their sins and no to go on still in their trespasses, they slip slide away with some other form of doctrine to avoid it.
 

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I have been honestly sincere with you on several occasions, to exhort you to repentance.

I'll not bother with that anymore.

However, I will make an alternative honest effort with you:

List these daily sins of yours, from least to greatest.

If they are indeed sins against Christ, and I do them, then I will acknowledge them to you.

sin is sin. One is no greater than another. As for my sins, lets go with all of them. I know that im an even worse sinner than i could realize, and i dont claim to be perfect like you. A better question would be, is there a sin i dont commit in any given day.
 

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That's oddly specific. But what the answer was yes? Would it change your mind?

And why does my sin count change the discussion at all? The side against me says we can't go even a day without sin. But we can, and I have.

I can't say this past year was clean, unfortunately because of issues with lust. But if I told you I don't have those same struggles anymore through God's grace, would you even believe me?

Sin can be so overwhelming at times that we think we can never stop. But do we take God at His Word? Do we believe we can overcome.

I used to believe I could never stop sinning, so I sinned. When I realized Scripture says every sin must go, I started overcoming and now those same sins don't trip me up anymore. Anything is possible with God.
Keep up the good fight sister, and I'm glad you're here with more to say.

And why does my sin count change the discussion at all? The side against me says we can't go even a day without sin.

You have summed up the main difference between a saint and a sinner: Attitude.

The attitude of the saint is: Not only do the saints not have to sin, nor is it inevitable, and Jesus died to free us from our sins, but the saint absolutely can live without sin today.

Saints absolutely can take God at His Word and go and sin no more. Sin not. No go on still in their trespasses today.

The point is about today. Not yesterday, nor tomorrow, but sufficient for the day is the evil thereof.

I can't say this past year was clean, unfortunately because of issues with lust.

A large trick of the devil is to move the conversation about yesterday and tomorrow, and get away from just today. Can't a Christian not sin for one lousy day??!!

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

The main difference between saints and sinners is the saint knows there is no excuse for sin, and if--now when--the saints since, don't give up the race, but repent and go on to sin no more. Sinners just chalk it up as par for the course, and since they are forgiven anyway, then what's the big deal?

"Yeah, sure I sin. Of course I do. We all sin. Nobody's perfect. What? Are we supposed to be saints, or something?? So, lets just celebrate our grace, and think God He isn't judging us for it, like the rest of the 'unbelieving' sinners of the world..."

But if I told you I don't have those same struggles anymore through God's grace, would you even believe me?

Sister, what you must learn about certain people is that no amount of correction nor exhortation nor plain reasoning of Scripture will change their minds, nor give themselves one pause to consider changing.

It's the nature of the beast and of strong delusion: you offer them something entirely reasonable, according to the truth with sincerity and honesty, and they will never budge one iota, because they cannot allow themselves too. Saints see preforgiven and inevitable sins as the slipper slope to destruction, but they see even the possibility of going to not sin today as a trap door to condemnation for not doing so.

They have already made a purposed decision to believe a lie, even if it means being damned by it.

All they want from you and everyone else who names the name of Christ is to join them in their delusion: the OSAS right of passage is to declare plainly that we all are ungodly sinners on a daily basis, and there's nothing God nor we can do about it:

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him.


Which is why Scripture tells us to reject such, because it is pearls before swine.

But, you keep up the good work and keep the posts coming, because I do want to learn from you. Perfecting the doctrine is what I love most, and you will help do that.
 
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Keep up the good fight sister, and I'm glad you're here with more to say.

And why does my sin count change the discussion at all? The side against me says we can't go even a day without sin.

You have summed up the main difference between a saint and a sinner: Attitude.

The attitude of the saint is: Not only do the saints not have to sin, nor is it inevitable, and Jesus died to free us from our sins, but the saint absolutely can live without sin today.

Saints absolutely can take God at His Word and go and sin no more. Sin not. No go on still in their trespasses today.

The point is about today. Not yesterday, nor tomorrow, but sufficient for the day is the evil thereof.

I can't say this past year was clean, unfortunately because of issues with lust.

A large trick of the devil is to move the conversation about yesterday and tomorrow, and get away from just today. Can't a Christian not sin for one lousy day??!!

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

The main difference between saints and sinners is the saint knows there is no excuse for sin, and if--now when--the saints since, don't give up the race, but repent and go on to sin no more. Sinners just chalk it up as par for the course, and since they are forgiven anyway, then what's the big deal?

"Yeah, sure I sin. Of course I do. We all sin. Nobody's perfect. What? Are we supposed to be saints, or something?? So, lets just celebrate our grace, and think God He isn't judging us for it, like the rest of the 'unbelieving' sinners of the world..."

But if I told you I don't have those same struggles anymore through God's grace, would you even believe me?

Sister, what you must learn about certain people is that no amount of correction nor exhortation nor plain reasoning of Scripture will change their minds, nor give themselves one pause to consider changing.

It's the nature of the beast and of strong delusion: you offer them something entirely reasonable, according to the truth with sincerity and honesty, and they will never budge one iota, because they cannot allow themselves too. Saints see preforgiven and inevitable sins as the slipper slope to destruction, but they see even the possibility of going to not sin today as a trap door to condemnation for not doing so.

They have already made a purposed decision to believe a lie, even if it means being damned by it.

All they want from you and everyone else who names the name of Christ is to join them in their delusion: the OSAS right of passage is to declare plainly that we all are ungodly sinners on a daily basis, and there's nothing God nor we can do about it:

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him.


Which is why Scripture tells us to reject such, because it is pearls before swine.

But, you keep up the good work and keep the posts coming, because I do want to learn from you. Perfecting the doctrine is what I love most, and you will help do that.

2 peas in the same pod of those who claim they dont sin daily. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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A Christian possibly can avoid sin for 24 hours, but the bar for 24 hours of complete sinlessness is high.

  • And He said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets." [Matthew 22:37-40] (NASB20)
  • "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," [Matthew 5:44] (NASB20)
  • "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you," [Luke 6:27] (NASB20)
  • "Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' [Matthew 25:44-45] (NKJV)
  • "Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin." [James 4:17] (NKJV)
 
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You claimed Charles Stanley said something, but never quoted Stanley or offered a link to the source to allow us to check your claims. That is RUMOR not example.

HoWever, as you can see here, I have provided you with AN ENTIRE TOPIC for you to respond with something of substance that will not continue to drag other threads off topic.

Your silence when offered a chance to post on an ACTUAL TOPIC and unwillingness to respond when presented with an opportunity to have your case heard, leaves one to wonder about your true motives. Could you be intent on nothing more than sowing discord among the brothern? (Proverbs 6:16-19)
The redeemed of the Lord are called to be as jesus was in this life, and while we yet still sin, we have the bent towards holiness now within us, so no way a saved can live in and enjoy sinning life did before saved!
 

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The redeemed of the Lord are called to be as jesus was in this life, and while we yet still sin, we have the bent towards holiness now within us, so no way a saved can live in and enjoy sinning life did before saved!
you know that dissension and contention are works of the flesh (sinful), and those who practice such things, well it says it here.
Forums are full of people holding to a contention and also causing dissention. What do you think of that?
Scripture tells us to contend for the faith, but lets say your contending view is in error and created contentions and dissentions.

Galatians 5:19-21
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19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Contentions is this
con·ten·tion
(kən-tĕn′shən)
n.
1. The act or an instance of striving in controversy or debate: "Amid all the hand-wringing and contention about whether what the bees do is really 'language,' no one seems to question whether it's really 'dance'" (Marlene Zuk). See Synonyms at conflict.
2.
a.
A striving to win in competition; rivalry: The teams met in fierce contention for first place.
b. A condition in which winning a competition is possible: Six teams are in contention to win the gold medal.
3. An assertion put forward in argument: It is my contention that they are lying.


DISCORD, STRIFE, CONFLICT, CONTENTION, DISSENSION, VARIANCE mean a state or condition marked by a lack of agreement or harmony. DISCORD implies an intrinsic or essential lack of harmony producing quarreling, factiousness, or antagonism. a political party long racked by discord STRIFE emphasizes a struggle for superiority rather than the incongruity or incompatibility of the persons or things involved. during his brief reign the empire was never free of civil strife CONFLICT usually stresses the action of forces in opposition but in static applications implies an irreconcilability as of duties or desires. the conflict of freedom and responsibility

CONTENTION applies to strife or competition that shows itself in quarreling, disputing, or controversy. several points of contention about the new zoning law DISSENSION implies strife or discord and stresses a division into factions. religious dissension threatened to split the colony VARIANCE implies a clash between persons or things owing to a difference in nature, opinion, or interest. cultural variances that work against a national identity
 

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The redeemed of the Lord are called to be as jesus was in this life, and while we yet still sin, we have the bent towards holiness now within us, so no way a saved can live in and enjoy sinning life did before saved!
Both Charles Stanley and I agree (as do a great many other Christians).
Which is what made it so offensive to me for someone to condemn Charles Stanley (or any Christian) with unsupported RUMORS and PERSONAL OPINIONS while refusing to provide any actual evidence to support the charges when questioned about it.

It is also why I take offense at deliberate mischaracterizations of Biblical promises like “for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure” (Philippians 2:13) and twist them into some grotesque mischaracterization like “God turns people into robots” or “For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.” and twist that into “OSAS tells people that they can go out and live like sinners and still be saved”.

I am not always patient or gentle … God knows I am still very much a work in progress … but I am passionate in my defense of those wrongly accused and of the word of God rightly divided. For my many flaws, TRUTH matters to me and I am “impatient” with those that abuse the truth.
 

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No where does it say we have to sin!

Nowhere does Scripture say it, but OSAS says it everywhere.

They call themselves sinners. Sinners will and must sin. It is their nature to do so. They cannot cease from sins.
They agree it is impossible for sinners such as themselves not to go on sinning.
They only speak of when they sin, never if.

Herego, they must sin. They have to sin. Otherwise, they would be disproving their own sinfilled doctrine.

OSAS cannot even consider not sinning today, because that would be the heresy of breaking their own doctrine, that they must sin today, because it is impossible not to do so, being sinners and not saints.

Not sinning is plainly heresy to OSAS, which is the only sin they will not tolerate!!!! To OSAS, only a decieved reprobate would confess not sinning today.

Nor is sin predestined by fate! It is foreknown by God from eternity past.

Foreknown of God but not predestined?? They first teach being predestined to become saved, because they are foreknown of God, and now they teach being foreknown is not predestined??

Anywho, it was foreknown of God before the foundation of the world, that the Lamb of God need be slain for sin, IF man transgressed the commandment: God did not make man to sin.

Once Adam transgressed, then God knew of a certainty his seed would sin by nature, until the Lamb of God should be slain, and now commands everyone to repent of sinning.

and nowhere does it give anyone a license to self justify their sin.

True again, Scripture does not. Which proves OSAS doctrine is not justified in their continued sinning.

Unconditionally secured salvation is the unjustified salvation for them unjustified with God.

OSAS Motto: "It is impossible to do what is not possible not to do; therefore, when we sin, we are only doing what we can possibly do. So we hereby pledge ourselves to celebrate our grace that God cannot possibly judge us for our unimpossible sins!"

Ceeeeelebrate that grace, C'mon!!!
 

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Repenting of sins is to repent of sinning: when temptation comes, don't do it. Simple.

OSAS separates the two from one another: they claim repentance of sins, and then claim it is impossible not to continue sinning.

They have no problem with repenting of 'sins', and every problem with repenting of sinning.

OSAS is dysfunctional doctrine for the double minded, who would rather become wounded in the head with an incoherent mind, than to just go on and repent of sins and of sinning:

But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.
 

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Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

OSAS says Christians are still sinners, who will sin, because ti is not possible to not go on still in their sins and trespasses.

They are only doing what all sinners do naturally.

Therefore, it is God's fault they sin, because it is God who did not shed blood that had power to wash away all sins from the soul and to purify the heart of all lust, which is the source of all sins.

Since God is He who has left lust in their hearts, it is God who tempts them with sin.

OSAS believes in a God who tells them it is impossible not to sin, because of the lust He left remaining in the heart, and so then tempts them with sin demanding they 'struggle' against it.

And when they fall before the devil, He does not judge them for it, because it's only 'merely' falling from time to time.
 

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If you knew Scripture and the power of god you would know all christians are overcomers! Not because we have attained to a level of righteousness in our deeds,

OSAS is for 'overcomers' that overcome some sins, but never all: they never 'attain' to a certain 'level' of righteousness in deed and in truth:

Little children, let no OSAS man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

I.e. they never 'attain' to the doing the righteousness of Christ Jesus.

Doing righteousness, even as He is righteous, is undoable for OSAS man of sin, because he teaches such righteousness is to be only 'attained' after death.

They don't disagree with John, neither do they accuse him of hubris 'attainment' of righteousness of Christ. They just don't practise it themselves, because they don't believe it that way.

OSAS is unconditional salvation for the underachieving overcomer. Eternal salvation is for the overcomer.

though that should be the compelling desire of every follower,

Always sure to give their good ol' lip service plug to qualify their teaching to go on still sinning every day.

but we are overcomers because of Jesus and the blood He shed and the resurrection from the dead!

Strugglers are not overcomes of sins. Strugglers in sins are defeated doers of sins.

OSAS are not overcomers of sins, but are overcomers of judgment for sins: they have not overcome the sins of the world as Jesus did, but have overcome the judgement of God as the devil thinks to do.

Jesus' blood does not wash away their sins, that they sin no more, but is only a covering of sins, so they be judged no more.

The blood of their christ is no better than that of a bull or a goat, that only covers sins against judgment, but does not wash them away against sinning.
 

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If you knew Scripture and the power of god you would know all christians are overcomers! Not because we have attained to a level of righteousness in our deeds, though that should be the compelling desire of every follower.

Well, since they do not what they should, and do what they should not, then it is no mystery that they should not be doing the 'compelling' desire of every follower of Jesus Christ: to overcome all sins of the world, even as He did.

OSAS man is underachieving man: They got humanly possible 6 down pat, but just never can quite 'attain' to that godly impossible 7: 666.....

Why do people think adding 'compelling' qualifiers to simple terms makes it sound so 'specially' sincere??

Lip service of course.

"Lord, Lord! Our desire is compelling, really compelling!!"