Lambano
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And you know that how? You might be deceived about that also.
God's Hatred
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
The spiritually blind hear the truth, but they cannot see what it means. They cannot see the “big picture” of salvation, and they are unable to see how it applies in their own life. They have trouble confessing the truth because they have difficulty believing what they cannot see.
To be Born Again, you have zero knowledge of ..you are spirit blind , and spirit deaf.
If you were actually Born Of The Spirit, you would know that God is Love, not sure who penetrated your spirit, but it sure wasn’t God, according to your immature hate filled, Micky taking posts.as for being a Saint, LOL!l..you’re certainly in my prayers.
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. New Living Translation asking God, the glorious Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, to give you spiritual wisdom and insight so that you might grow in your knowledge of God. English Standard Version that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Berean Standard Bible that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him. Berean Literal Bible that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, King James Bible That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: New King James Version that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, New American Standard Bible that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightlyjudged by no one. For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ. |
Jeremiah 29:11-1311 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
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MA2444
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That's a good point and very true that fasting isnt just about not eating anymore. Maybe it used to be, but they didn't have TV or video games, or football games. I have one that I call a digital fast which is no TV, computer, phone or anything which has a screen. An hour that you would have spent browsing the internet, or 24 hours is better. A week would be even better than that.
I did a digital fast once. Worst 20 minutes of my life! I'm kidding of course. They are hard though. Harder than not eating at certain times!
quietthinker
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Lambano
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At least we agree on something. But your thesis is that God hates the non-elect. If you have also conceded that the non-elect are tormented for eternity, then it is quite reasonable to conclude that God takes pleasure in it. This is logically consistent with WHAT HATRED IS: When you hate someone, you want to hurt them.
I am going through this because I'm calling you to repentance.
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Lambano
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What's the evil here - that the god of the universe torments people for eternity, or that he claimed to "so love the world"?
You have already conceded that the Bible lied when it said "God so loved the world", "Christ is the propitiation not just for our sins, but for the sins of the whole world", "love your enemies so that you will be like your Father in Heaven", "God is the savior of all men, especially those who believe", "God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked", "God does not desire that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance". When you have to add fine print to the Bible, redefine key terms, and generally perform unnatural acts on the text to make it fit your theology, you are saying that it was all a lie to begin with. So what's one more lie?
The love of God for the World, and even His enemies, is a hill I'm willing to die on.
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Yes I feel your pain and I know the truth hurts you, that's why I feel sorry for you and I know you don't mean what you said. It's normal for your kind to stoop down to hurling insults at those who speak the truth, I mean there's really nothing else you can do when confronted with the awful truth
Go read the bible, it clearly states that the Elect Saints of God will inherit the earth and rule over it forever. I don't have the time to teach you theology, so you may want to consider joining a bible class for beginners
This is the typical response from someone who's false doctrine has been well and truly exposed, so instead of defending all the charges against you. You simply resort to personal insults, BRAVO, you've done a great job of condemning yourself
You're trying to read Gods Word backward, which is what the members of the Church of Satan do. If you read it the right way around, you would know that God hates sinners, so don't try to muddy the water by saying "God hates the none-elect". Yes it's true God did not elect to save the reprobate, but that doesn't mean that God is to blame for them being evil, so you have to go back to you master/teacher and ask them why they lied to you.
God is pleased to punish and torment the evil doers, for all eternity. I don't see why you would have a problem with that, if God didn't punish sinners, then He would be evil Himself, just like an evil and corrupt earthly judge who doesn't punish criminals. I take pleasure in the knowledge that God will hurt/punish sinners for all eternity, I praise Him for it.
I have no idea why you're calling me to repentance, all I have done is quote the Word of God, as awful as thew truth is, I must proclaim it to every creature.
You're welcome to sell your sole cheap on any hill you wish, but I'm not going to let you get away with making up Satanic lies about God and blaspheming his Holy Spirit without condemning you for it.
When did I claim that "the bible lied"??????????????????????????............... The Bible is Gods Word, God doesn't lie but you and your Father do. God has prepared the lake of fire for all liars and blasphemers, so that's already a done deal.
Magdala
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Jesus meant "hate in a holy manner." If within your heart you are saying: "Hatred, as He taught us, is never holy. So He is contradicting Himself." No. He's not contradicting Himself. He's saying that we must hate the heaviness of love, the sensual passionateness of love for your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and for your very life, on the contrary He orders us to love relatives and life with the light freedom of spirits. Love them in God and for God, never postponing God to them, endeavouring and taking care to lead them where the disciple has already arrived, that is to God, the Truth. We will thus love God and relatives in a holy manner, safeguarding each love, so that family ties will not be a burden but wings, not a fault, but justice. We must be prepared to hate even our lives in order to follow Him. He hates his life who without fear of losing it or making it sad from a human point of view, uses it to serve Him. But it is only an appearance of hatred. A feeling erroneously called "hatred" by man who cannot elevate himself, as he is entirely earthly, by little superior to brutes.
In actual fact such apparent hatred, which consists in denying sensual satisfaction to one's life in order to give a more and more intense life to the spirit, is love. It is love, of the highest degree and the most blessed. To deny oneself base satisfactions, to reject sensual affections, to risk unfair reproaches, criticism and punishment, being rejected, cursed and perhaps persecuted, all that is a sequence of grief. But it is necessary to embrace such grief and take it upon ourselves, like a cross, a scaffold on which all past faults are expiated to be justified by God, from Whom we can obtain every true, mighty, holy grace for those whom we love. He who does not carry his cross and does not follow Him, he who cannot do that cannot be His disciple. (Potmg: V3)
Jesus said to not love the following things in the world: lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life, as made clear in 1 Jn. 2:16, because those are of the world, not of the Father.
There are many loves and various powers. There is the love of first power: the one given to God. Then there is the love of second power: the love of a mother or of a father, because if the previous one is entirely spiritual, this one is spiritual by two parts and carnal by one. It is true that human affection is mixed in it, but the superior sentiment prevails, because a father and mother, who are such in a wholesome and holy way, do not only feed and caress the body of their child, but they give also nourishment and love to the mind and the spirit of their creature. And what I am saying is so true, that those who devote themselves to children, even if only to educate them, end up by loving their pupils, as if they were of their own flesh. There is the love for one's wife: love of third power because it is made—I am always talking of wholesome and holy loves—half of spirit and half of flesh. A man, besides being the husband of his wife, is a teacher and a father to her; and a woman is an angel and a mother to her husband, besides being his wife. These are the three highest loves.
The first one of the second series is the love for our neighbour. In actual fact it is the fourth in power. Then comes the love for science. Finally the love for work. (Potmg: V2)
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Matthew 5:22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If you make foolish comments, you must justify your comments. The Bible has a lot to say about fools, so we should examine ourselves to see if something we say or do is foolish.
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