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MatthewG

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@Behold,

Why would it matter only to those who believe, when God reconciled the world unto himself through Christ, in a world full of unbelievers? God has reconciled the world unto himself, and in and through Christ, having paid for the whole world's sins, he is no longer mad at them as many people portray Yahavah today as being mad at his creation. That's a great thing! And great news! The good news being of course the death, burial, and resurrection, and return of the Lord Yeshua, in an generation before which was promised and headed for destruction due to Yahavahs Wrath, as promised to the Jews to come upon them.
 

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@Behold,

Why would it matter only to those who believe, when God reconciled the world unto himself through Christ

Because God's Offer of Salvation, that has been Completed as Jesus on the Cross, is an OFFER.

So, this IS offered to the World, and this Salvation is completed, as Jesus said.. "IT is finished".. from The Cross.

However, its an "imputed righteousness", that is based on.. Our, "FAITH is counted by God"......

This is why Paul teaches us that just like Abraham was justified by BELIEVING God... so is the Believer in Christ = "Justification BY FAITH"... IN Christ.
 
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@Behold, Okay, thank you for explaining. I agree, the whole world is called to by God daily, with their sins taken care of. Whether or not they look to Yahavah, or not. Is up to them (Revelation 22:17)
 

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If God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, then the other half of that is that men need to be reconciled to God. Reconciliation, repairing a busted relationship, is a two-way street.

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Hello Lambano,

If I may share this with you, what Jesus death did on the cross was take care of all sin for all time for all people. God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, why and for what purpose? To restore and revert all things to the way they were in the beginning before Adam and Eve were taken out of the garden. This is the reconciling of the world. With Yeshua having paid for the wages of sins which is death, nailing the old writings to the cross, allows the possibility for us now to get to Yahavah! Even if a person may not know everything about Jesus, or even all the scriptures. People whom are of faith which Yahavah by his spirit and bride call to people daily, as it’s the LORD GOD who gives breathe to his creation. Are given the Holy Spirit/spirit of Christ to live by. As you have stated though, while Yahavah and the world are cool with each other and Yahavah is not mad at anyone or angry with them; they have the choice to incorporate the living God into their life or abstain. It’s a two way street even for the believer, to allow Yahavah to work with them and their faults as much as it is necessary for a person to choose to believe, seek, out faithfully the LORD which is of course the reaching out to something greater than themselves.

Thank you for comment. It’s wonderful to know God had reconciled the world unto himself through Christ, of course faithfully believed, and while the world many see as bad, and has its issues, is getting better the more we incorporate our lives living by the spirit and walking by it, while our flesh fails, it’s Jesus who does the good works within to love God and love others as hard as that may be sometimes cause there are times when I can not stand people; and have to ignore them or walk away, even mute them sometimes on websites.
 

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@Behold, Okay, thank you for explaining. I agree, the whole world is called to by God daily, with their sins taken care of. Whether or not they look to Yahavah, or not. Is up to them (Revelation 22:17)
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There is a theology that teaches that God is a Tyrant, a Cosmic Eternal Psychopath.

This theology accuses God of being that by teaching as its main core truth, that God refuses to allow some people to Believe in Jesus.

They teach that God wont cause them to believe, so they can't,.......in other words they are born to KEPT eternally separated from God, because that is God's own will.

So, this is wrong, and is such a lie on so many levels.

Consider.... If you are one of those, who for no reason, is not allowed by God to believe in Jesus.... Then..

Now READER....Did you ask to be born? Did you ask to be on this Earth? Is it YOUR FAULT you are here??? And now that you are here, There is a False Theology, that is worldwide and ruins Forums that teaches, that : God wont choose you to believe in Jesus, so, you can't.
And maybe that one whom God wont allow to Trust in Christ, is Your MOTHER... YOUR KID.... Your WIFE or HUSBAND.. Your Grandmother.

Let me show you how crazy is this Theology, how demonic.

Now, why are people eternally Judged?.. Why are people not allowed to be forever with God and Christ and Christians after they die?

Its because the never Believed in Jesus.....

So, if you are not allowed by God, to be CHOSEN to Believe in Jesus, and then You die, you are DAMNED.. you are Judged for Eternity as being a Christ Rejector, never born again, because GOD would not allow it.

See that God? That God is insane.. That God is a Psychopath, who will send you into eternal judgment, for rejecting His Son, and God is the one who would not choose you to believe in Christ.


See that Theology?
That is "of the Devil".
Its SATANIC.
Its a "Doctrine of DEVILS".
 

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https://www.tiktok.com/video/7279746762309553454 Did you know that God has reconciled everything back to himself in and through Christ?

With the victory of Christ today, and the payment of sin, and doing away of sin, satan, death, hades, the false prophet, the beast, and also doing away of material religion with coming back and having received the first church bride, and also doing away with priesthoods (because Christ is now the high priest), no more sacrifice (Jesus was the last and final sacrifice), and because of God through Christ, he was able to reconcile the world back unto himself.

He now calls out to all people by the bride, and the spirit.

People must choose to be adopted into the faith, and allow God to become their Father.
Jesus is the way, the way, the truth and the life, and it is only by and through teaching and education, with knowledge that liberates people from religious bondage, and freedom by and through the spirit! If Sin is paid for, once on the cross, then sin is done with. It helps knowing this that the less you focus on your sin; the more you will be able to love even though you see people failing in their flesh.

With these things in mind, people have no right to look at other people and judge them by the failings of their flesh - while you can, it's okay, but it all goes back to what Jesus said judge not, least you be judge. That is measured in judging by the flesh, but Jesus paid for that sin. It done with, over with.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all of this is a gift from God, who brought us back to himself through Christ. And God has given us this task of reconciling people to him. 19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation. 20 So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!” 21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin,[e] so that we could be made right with God through Christ.

Verse 18 - 19 - katallássō
2644 katallássō (from 2596 /katá, "down to an exact point," intensifying 236 /allássō, "to change") – properly, decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

2644 /katallássō ("decisively changed, reconciled") is applied to marriage partners (1 Cor 7:11), but usually in the redemptive sense of a sinner reconciling to the Lord.

[2644 (katallássō) was originally used for the exchange of coins; "properly, to change, exchange (especially of money); hence, of persons, to change from enmity to friendship, to reconcile" (A-S).]


God through Christ, has reconciled the world unto himself!

Praise Yahava, and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah

May we not judge people; if you do not know people.
If you do know a person; the only judgement you can make "Is the love that this person is given of Christ - self-sacrifice - all by the Spirit mentioned in Galatians 5.

1 Corinthians 13
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

I am still just a man: never trust me - always seek after the Lord Jesus Christ, and seek after God.
No. god has made reconciliation possible through the death and resurrection of Jesus. but until it is appropriated by an individual by faith it is only a potential recompilation.

If the world was reconciled, there would be no need to trust in the death and resurrection for reconciliation to eh Father, for all would already be so.
 

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Without Jesus, and his death and resurrection there would be no reconciliation period. Now people are able to answer the call even they do not know Jesus... everything about him, one day when they pass away from this life, if they who are choose to believe living in faith live by the spirit which is given by the LORD GOD. In the end they will find out it was the WORD of God, whom saved them because they listened to the WORD rather than their own thoughts and feelings.

Many people in this day go by their feelings, and they go also by public opinion most of the time and now what God has made already, being done which is reconciliation. It's possible now because it has been done and been made, and that is it... there is no and ifs or buts, in my opinion.

The thing is, God is the one whom reconciled the world, because of the Lord Jesus Christ giving up his life.... so its there as Yahavah not being mad at the world.


I respect you to have your view, but this is how my view is.
 

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Bumping the thread, did you know that God through Christ has reconciled the world unto himself?
 

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Bumping the thread, did you know that God through Christ has reconciled the world unto himself?

That is 2 Corin 5:19.

However, this reconciliation is applied ONE BELIEVER at a time.

"All that BELIEVE" are reconciled by the Cross of Christ.

If you wont BELIEVE, then you are this one.

John 3:36

And you are this one...

John 8:24
 

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The whole world, has been reconciled to God in virtue of being able to reach out to him if they do choose to or not. The choice on them. Even the atheist can reach out to God if they do so faithfully.

Many people in this life have been hurt by churches and parents and even by people who claim Christianity.

No one can really tell who is a believer or not except by their fruits; but I digress. I’m not Yahavah, and I don’t live by what’s been written; though I love what’s been written.

It’s by the Holy Spirit and the spirit people choose to live by even though they must choose to work out their salvation for themselves.

God has reconciled the world back to the Garden Staye spiritually. Whether or not one believes these things is totally subjective to themselves and not the whole. God is not angry with anyone, and his wrath has already been relinquished.
 
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God is not angry with anyone, and his wrath has already been relinquished.

Once a person is born again then God's judgment against their sin has been satisfied by Jesus on the Cross.
If they never become born again, then they are found here.

John 3:36


The Cross of Christ is the offer of Salvation, that has been completed.

The reason that thousands went to hell today, is because they were led to believe they were Saved, and weren't, or they died in unbelief, by choice.
 

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God through Christ has reconciled the world unto Himself.​

Isn't that a wonder? ....and I must ask, why isn't the world reconciling itself to him?

God has done all he can. He is handing the treasure of life to us....and as it were, on a plate, yet most cast it to the ground as a worthless thing.
Oh the heartbreak God must experience!
 
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Hello @quietthinker,

It's a wonder why there is abuse in church. Perhaps choice.
I don't get where people think God is weak...
I don't get where people don't realize that sin is paid for, and what people do with their own lives is on them.
I don't get where people belive they are the saviour and not Jesus.
I don't get a lot of things... it's not meant for me to judge the world. It's already been saved, that was what Jesus came to do, "Save the world."
I don't get where people think God looks down on this world and is sad. I don't get were people think that God looks down on this world and is mad because of peoples choices and what they do.

God watched the people of Israel until the point he destroyed them, and wiped out their genealogy.
Everything has to deal with the spiritual aspects of life when it comes to a relationship with God and it's been known that God is not mad with the world... sin has been taken care of... what a man does with his life is on himself - he is not going to save anyone else - You can share a message but that doesn't mean people are going to readily believe or accept it.

Takes time doesn't it. Is that heartbreaking enough for God? Well? If God is endless, and calls out to his creation every morning, I believe he will continue to do so even in the afterlife with those outside the gates of heavenly Jerusalem. It's just a faith thing.

God is heartbroken? I don't really think so... I don't think he has ever been heartbroken... unless I'm wrong about that and there is a scripture concerning it I perhaps may repent (change my mind) about that thought. Disappointed maybe when he flooded the world, he regretted what he had done wasn't it. That was about it... Heartbroken?

Has God's love ever been broken? I can't say it has.
 
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Hello @quietthinker,

It's a wonder why there is abuse in church. Perhaps choice.
I don't get where people think God is weak...
I don't get where people don't realize that sin is paid for, and what people do with their own lives is on them.
I don't get where people belive they are the saviour and not Jesus.
I don't get a lot of things... it's not meant for me to judge the world. It's already been saved, that was what Jesus came to do, "Save the world."
I don't get where people think God looks down on this world and is sad. I don't get were people think that God looks down on this world and is mad because of peoples choices and what they do.

God watched the people of Israel until the point he destroyed them, and wiped out their genealogy.
Everything has to deal with the spiritual aspects of life when it comes to a relationship with God and it's been known that God is not mad with the world... sin has been taken care of... what a man does with his life is on himself - he is not going to save anyone else - You can share a message but that doesn't mean people are going to readily believe or accept it.

Takes time doesn't it. Is that heartbreaking enough for God? Well? If God is endless, and calls out to his creation every morning, I believe he will continue to do so even in the afterlife with those outside the gates of heavenly Jerusalem. It's just a faith thing.

God is heartbroken? I don't really think so... I don't think he has ever been heartbroken... unless I'm wrong about that and there is a scripture concerning it I perhaps may repent (change my mind) about that thought. Disappointed maybe when he flooded the world, he regretted what he had done wasn't it. That was about it... Heartbroken?

Has God's love ever been broken? I can't say it has.
When love strong enough to die for is rejected, heartbreak is its consequence. No human being can ever replace another. The choice of death when life is a gift will ever be a mystery and a sadness in the heart of God we humans find hard to understand. It is hard to understand because hate comes easy for us and love which will die for another, particularly an enemy is beyond us.
 
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Hello @quietthinker,

Whatever you are saying, I don't find it to be true. That's the schizophrenia within me or it's just because you couldn't bring up a scripture to make it so. I've never heard of Yahavah being heartbroken. Yahavah loved his creation, and Jesus he wept and cried at people passing in death, like Lazarus people grieve and all of these things, but since the victory of Yeshua, I don't believe that "heartbroken" is the correct response. But then again I am probably just crazy.

I believe Yahavah continues to call out the resurrected condemned in the afterlife.... most do not.

Psalm 34:18 The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.
 
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Hello @quietthinker,

Whatever you are saying, I don't find it to be true. That's the schizophrenia within me or it's just because you couldn't bring up a scripture to make it so. I've never heard of Yahavah being heartbroken. Yahavah loved his creation, and Jesus he wept and cried at people passing in death, like Lazarus people grieve and all of these things, but since the victory of Yeshua, I don't believe that "heartbroken" is the correct response. But then again I am probably just crazy.

I believe Yahavah continues to call out the resurrected condemned in the afterlife.... most do not.

Psalm 34:18 The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.
Matthew, why would Jesus be crying at Lazarus death when in a few minutes he would raise him from the dead? Jesus was not crying because Lazarus was dead. He was weeping because of another factor....think about it!
 

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Hello @quietthinker,

While I respect you as my elder, this just deters what has already been stated.
 
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I’ve never seen Yahavah ever heartbroken… man can be heart broken, but I don’t believe that God can be. Jesus wept over his friends passing, that’s a reality we all share when our loved ones pass away. However Jesus was sent to save the world, and I’ve only seen God regret his decision when he flooded the world.

I believe Yahavah cares and yearns for people to come to him, and his love never ceases to try to work with people; however it’s people who disregard the one whom gave life; and I don’t think Yahavah is mad, angry, or upset about this… he just continues to call out by his spirit.

(Now when it comes to the Old Testament and Gods anger and wrath was always pertaining to and only to his own people which he had destroyed in 70Ad.)

If they respond so be it, if they do not so be it.

Be careful by the ploys of what man can try offer, many people are heartbroken over the state of the affairs of this world but this world has already been saved… and never ends. The world to come is the one which we will go to after this life, in the afterlife where Yahavah resides?

And he will be resurrecting all people, good or bad! With a place for the faithful and non-faithful.
 

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John 3:36“Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

Short commentary.

God's wrath is on sinners. In John 3:36, he does not say, “The wrath of God will come on [the disobedient].” He says, “Whoever does not obey the Sonshall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” It is already there. Why is it already there? By nature, we are children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3).