God Created All Humanity When He Created Adam
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God doesn't lie. And He said, tooth for tooth, eye for eye, life for life. We owed our lives to pay our debt for sin. And we can pay with our lives, but then what? We have nothing, we are dead.
Jesus gave His life, but since He hadn't sinned, He didn't actually owe His life, so He was able to give His payment for others. And the way that happens is that we are spiritually, mystically immersed into Jesus Christ when He died, so that we die too, but in Him, where we are safe. We share His death, a righteous death, and then go on to share His life.
Why the cross? The horrible death Jesus died, and the tortures leading up to it, give evidence of God's love for us, and give continued proof of His innocence and righteousness. He submitted Himself to the Father even in that! Why did He have to die? To have the payment to offer to ransom us from death. And to provide for us a "survivable death".
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Sin kills. It's more than just judicial, God could forgive our sin but we remain spiritually dead.
Jesus forgave sins, however, did that mean they no longer needed to born again to see God's kingdom?
"Behold the Lamb of God, Who carries away the sin of the world". This is the beauty and wonder of the Gospel. Mankind is already reconciled to God. Mankind's sins have been removed from them, and we can freely come to Him to receive that reconciliation.
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I don't think this is the meaning of that verse in the Revelation. The parallel passage shows that "before the foundation of the world" applies to the book of life, not to Jesus' death.
Here is more information:
The Book Of Life
Each of these passages tell us something about the Book of Life. Exodus 32:30-33 KJV 30) And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. 31) And Moses...
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Scroll down a little in the OP . . .
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God said that of "all He had made" (Gen 1;31). And yes, all that He had made was very good, including His prime creation, man. It is important to understand that everything, including man and everything about him, was just as God intended. This "sinful flesh" that you have such distain for is actually God's creation of man with a free will to choose. I believe that the whole of this physical creation was to create a body of beings who, given the opportunity, would choose of their own volition to love the God that He revealed to them. That means that free will is a signature characteristic of that creation even if it meant more would choose not to love Him than would choose to love Him.
Revelation 5:6 (KJV) And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Revelation 13:8 (KJV) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 21:23-27 (KJV) And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Hebrews 9:26 (KJV) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
I don't think this is the meaning of that verse in the Revelation. The parallel passage shows that "before the foundation of the world" applies to the book of life, not to Jesus' death.
Here is more information:
The Book Of Life
Each of these passages tell us something about the Book of Life. Exodus 32:30-33 KJV 30) And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. 31) And Moses...
Scroll down a little in the OP . . .
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There is a difference between the books that record the names of all who live and die, and the Lamb's Book of Life that has recorded all of the names of whosoever shall be saved. Names are recorded in the Lamb's Book of Life from the foundation of the world because the promise that Christ would be the sacrificial Lamb from the foundation of the world was established according to promise from before creation. The Covenant Promise to save His people is ordained in heaven through God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit before sin and death that would come through sin ever entered into God's beautiful creation.
Revelation 20:12 (KJV) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 20:15 (KJV) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Forgive me, but I think you are being misled by the KJV, perhaps in its old world version of English.
(NASB) Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
(NASB) Heb 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
And nowhere does it speak of the Lamb having been slain before creation. There is talk of the plan for all of this existing before creation, but nowhere does it say that the events of that plan, such as Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, actually were carried out before creation.
"Otherwise He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world"
If Jesus had to die repeatedly for repeated sin, that was from the beginning, so he'd have to die over and over and over starting at the beginning, up to now, and going forward.
But by one sacrifice He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified, something like that.
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Ellicott's Bible Commentary for English Readers Rev 13:8
"There is some doubt about the connection of the words "from the foundation of the world." Some connect them with the word "written": this would express that the names were written "from the foundation of the world" in the book. Others connect them with the word "slain": this expresses that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. For the former view, the similar passage in Re 17:8 is cited; but, on the other hand, the phrase "from the foundation of the world" is connected in other parts of the Bible with certain aspects of the work of Christ (1Pe 1:19-20, and Joh 17:24), and it seems more natural to take the words in their simple order. Whatever view we take, the verse proclaims that the security of God's saints is based on the eternal love of God. "An eternal deliverer is the only refuge from this great world-tyranny; "the strength of the tempted is in Him who is the same in love and righteousness through all the ages."
IMO both the Lamb being slain according to the promise of God, and names written should be understood to have been from the foundation of the world. The KJV is a trustworthy, reliable translation speaking of the works of God ordained in heaven via Covenant promise through the triune God-head before the foundation of the world. Since all the promises of God are "yes" and "amen", the promises ordained in heaven before creation are as though finished before Christ literally came to earth a man.
Hebrews 4:3 (KJV) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
You must make a distinction between the promises of God having been ordained in heaven, and the promises literally fulfilled when Christ came to earth a man. There cannot be a promise of God ordained in heaven that shall not come to pass in time.
Do you mean like this one?
Titus 1:1-3 KJV
1) Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2) In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
3) But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
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The promises of God all originate from heaven, but only the Covenant of Redemption through Christ is eternal, or from everlasting to everlasting. It is the only promise that is dependent upon the faithfulness of God, the Son, that was not only ordained but also fulfilled according to promise from before the foundation of the world.
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