The answer is right there…..”But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night”
God’s people shall inherit and reign on earth.
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Sure it does, because Amils believe they are already reigning in the world that was prophesied to come after this present world.
Spiritual Israelite
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And what do you believe that means exactly? Do you believe that is referring to the day the Lord Jesus returns?
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No, that's impossible as the Lord has no false doctrines like premil.
Spiritual Israelite
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No, we don't. This is not the eternal age/world to come that will be ushered in when Christ returns. Why do you think you can tell us what we believe instead of us telling you? What excuse do you have for your ignorance and for misrepresenting our view all the time? You don't have a problem with Amil, you have a problem with an imaginary doctrine that doesn't even exist that you think is Amil.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: ( the first resurrection)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Then Amil contradicts itself because they claim the first resurrection is past and the thousand year reign started already with Jesus’ resurrection.
If Amil were true ( which it is NOT) then the Lords saints would all be resurrected immortal and gathered together living in the promised land in the world to come. Obviously that has not happened yet, so Amil is false doctrine.
Spiritual Israelite
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You continue to take 1 Thessalonians 4:16 out of context. You have no shame.
So, you believe 2 Peter 3:10-12 occurs on the day Jesus returns. For some odd reason you couldn't bring yourself to just say that. And you think mortals can survive what is described there in 2 Peter 3:10-12, which is utterly ridiculous. That is impossible. You are not even reading the text. It very clearly indicates that the entire earth will be burned up at that time. That's why in 1 Thess 5:2-3, where Paul wrote about the same event, he said regarding those in spiritual darkness that "they shall not escape". None of them will. No chance.
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Spiritual Israelite
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You need to take that verse to heart. Only one of us has condemned the other to hell for merely disagreeing with the other's interpretation of Revelation 20. I'll give you a hint. It wasn't me.
Spiritual Israelite
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We are not contradicting anything, Straw Man King. It's not completely in the past, so stop saying that nonsense. Yes, it started with His resurrection, but it's not past because people have been having part in His resurrection spiritually ever since then up until now and until He comes again.
Our view is based on scripture whether you acknowledge that or not, Straw Man Supreme.
Acts 26:23 that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”
Colossians 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
You are saying Amil isn't true by trying to force your false understanding of the future on to it. That's not very smart. You are clueless.
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Well since the first resurrection happens in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, I would say that must be reeeeaaaaallll long instant and twinkle.
Spiritual Israelite
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Another weak response from you. So, is pre-trib dispensationalism also possibly true because "with God all things are possible"?
Spiritual Israelite
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Straw Man King strikes again. You see that as the first resurrection, not us, so we don't see that as anything but what it says. It will happen instantly. But, according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 that is not the first bodily resurrection unto immortality in order, but instead is the second. Paul specifically indicated that Christ's was the first. So, having part in the first resurrection must mean to have part in Christ's resurrection, as we all do spiritually when we become saved/born again.Well since the first resurrection happens in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, I would say that must be reeeeaaaaallll long instant and twinkle.
Revelation 2:26-27
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26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
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