God’s people shall inherit and reign on earth.

[Stewardofthemystery]

Your future millennium is saturated in mortal evil people that rise up against God's people. It is overrun by the wicked as the sound of the sea.

The Amils supposedly present “symbolic” millennium is saturated with evil people, so what’s your point?

We know that during the future millennium there is a time of peace and safety for Gods people in the promised land. And the other peoples/nations whose lives were prolonged during the thousand years are NOT being deceived during the millennium because Satan is bound during that time.

After the thousand years is complete THEN Satan goes out deceives those peoples/ Nations whose lives were prolonged DURING the thousand years.

Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

So this is just another way to prove that Amil doctrine false doctrine.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I do understand the mystery of the Straw man argument, and what spirit is behind it.

Since you make so many straw man arguments, this is not surprising that you would understand that very well.

The worst straw man argument you make is when you try to act as if Amils believe that the physical/bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ has already occurred, which we do NOT believe. Whatever straw man arguments you think I've made, I've never misrepresented your view anywhere nearly as poorly as that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Amils supposedly present “symbolic” millennium is saturated with evil people, so what’s your point?

The point is that's not how it's supposed to be during the premil thousand years of peace.

We know that during the future millennium there is a time of peace and safety for Gods people in the promised land. And the other peoples/nations whose lives were prolonged during the thousand years are NOT being deceived during the millennium because Satan is bound during that time.

After the thousand years is complete THEN Satan goes out deceives those peoples/ Nations whose lives were prolonged DURING the thousand years.

Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

So this is just another way to prove that Amil doctrine false doctrine.

LOL. This is just another way for you to share your gibberish. Tell me how it can be that Satan can deceive a number of people "as the sand of sea" who had just experienced a thousand year of peace on the earth with Jesus in all His glory so quickly? Is Satan really that powerful that he can just immediately undo a thousand years worth of progress and peace on the earth?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

this is not surprising that you would understand that very well.

I have to admit it has awhile since I encountered such a master Straw man builder like yourself.

The worst straw man argument you make is when you try to act as if Amils believe that the physical/bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ has already occurred, which we do NOT believe.

It’s called deductive reasoning. When you claim Jesus being raised from the dead IS the first resurrection, then you are also making the claim that this first resurrection was fulfilled in the past by Jesus being resurrected.

So when I say that Amils believe the first resurrection is past, it is not a Straw man argument, it is what you Amils claim to be true.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Tell me how it can be that Satan can deceive a number of people "as the sand of sea"

The same way he is deceiving the whole world right now.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have to admit it has awhile since I encountered such a master Straw man builder like yourself.

It’s called deductive reasoning. When you claim Jesus being raised from the dead IS the first resurrection, then you are also making the claim that this first resurrection was fulfilled in the past by Jesus being resurrected.

I explain my understanding of what it means to have part in the first resurrection and I clearly say that people having part in the resurrection is not fulfilled in the past, so you don't tell the whole story of what Amils believe. Why is that? Because you're a liar perhaps? I think so. You don't misrepresent our view by mistake, Straw Man King.

So when I say that Amils believe the first resurrection is past, it is not a Straw man argument, it is what you Amils claim to be true.

But, you leave out the fact that we don't say that everyone who has part in the first resurrection already had part in it in the past. So, you are a liar who can't support your own doctrine with scripture, so you have to resort to misrepresenting Amil instead.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The same way he is deceiving the whole world right now.

Weak response. Have we just had a thousand years of peace in the world before today with Christ on the earth in all His glory?

 

[WPM]

The Amils supposedly present “symbolic” millennium is saturated with evil people, so what’s your point?

We know that during the future millennium there is a time of peace and safety for Gods people in the promised land. And the other peoples/nations whose lives were prolonged during the thousand years are NOT being deceived during the millennium because Satan is bound during that time.

After the thousand years is complete THEN Satan goes out deceives those peoples/ Nations whose lives were prolonged DURING the thousand years.

Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

So this is just another way to prove that Amil doctrine false doctrine.

Revelation 20 does not say that the millennium will be a time of peace and security. That is your own invention. Yes, this current age is full of evil people who are arrayed against the Church of Jesus Christ. This correlates with Revelation 20.

Once again, you totally avoided every single Scripture and every single point. That is what you do. You have to!

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Have we just had a thousand years of peace in the world before today with Christ on the earth in all His glory?

And that proves Amil is false.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Revelation 20 does not say that the millennium will be a time of peace and security. That is your own invention.

Here’s a few….

Jeremiah 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Jeremiah 32:37
Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:

Jeremiah 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lordour righteousness.

Ezekiel 28:26
And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the Lord their God.

Ezekiel 34:28
And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.

Ezekiel 38:8
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Ezekiel 38:11
And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

Ezekiel 38:14
Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

Zechariah 14:11
And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

 

[WPM]

Here’s a few….

Jeremiah 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Jeremiah 32:37
Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:

Jeremiah 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lordour righteousness.

Ezekiel 28:26
And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the Lord their God.

Ezekiel 34:28
And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.

Ezekiel 38:8
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Ezekiel 38:11
And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

Ezekiel 38:14
Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

Zechariah 14:11
And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

These are all old covenant promises. Why do Premils avoid Rev 20, yet it is their only proof-text?

 

[WPM]

Here’s a few….

Jeremiah 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Jeremiah 32:37
Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:

Jeremiah 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lordour righteousness.

Ezekiel 28:26
And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the Lord their God.

Ezekiel 34:28
And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.

Ezekiel 38:8
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Ezekiel 38:11
And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

Ezekiel 38:14
Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

Zechariah 14:11
And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Are there evil mortals in your supposed future millennium?

 

[rwb]

This is the words of God….

Psalm 25:13
His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.

Psalm 37:9
For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.

Psalm 37:11
But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Psalm 37:22
For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.

Matthew 5:5
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

You surely don't believe the earth believers inherit is this one? That would cause much confusion since this first earth shall pass away!

Matthew 24:35 (KJV) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:31 (KJV) Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Luke 21:33 (KJV) Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Revelation 21:1 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The new heaven and new earth the saints shall inherit shall be FOREVER!

 

[rwb]

Are you still in your flesh and blood physical body?

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Which is why the saints must be physically resurrected immortal and incorruptible from the dead when the last trump sounds. While mankind is clothed in physical flesh, destined to die, only the spirit within possesses eternal life through Christ's Spirit when we are born again. Our physical body too must be changed from mortal to immortal & corruptible to incorruptible to be reunited to our eternal spirit that God will bring back with Him. Then we who are alive with Him shall live forever on the new earth where there is no more sin, and no more death, not for one thousand years, but forever.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[rwb]

That’s not what this thread is about, it is about the future reign on earth with Christ and his saints for a thousand years, which Amils do not believe in. But the scriptures I posted in the OP prove the saints shall inherit the earth.

What earth shall the saints inherit for one thousand years??? Is it this one that shall be burn up at Christ' coming again? Where you believe we shall be with Christ for one thousand years??? Your posts NEVER prove, they ALWAYS ASSUME that which you cannot biblically prove.

 

[rwb]

I didn’t say that, Straw man

I didn’t say that either, Straw man

I didn’t say that either, Straw man

Your Straw man arguments are a sad thing.

The problem is that you say the saints shall inherit the earth without reconciling your one-thousand-year millennium with our inheritance. Did you or did you not say the saints shall be resurrected before this so-called ONE-thousand-year period of time only to have the earth you think they inherit utterly burned up?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And that proves Amil is false.

LOL. You are so delusional. Just claiming that everything proves Amil is false proves nothing except that you are not able to actually back up anything you say.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The problem is that you say the saints shall inherit the earth without reconciling your one-thousand-year millennium with our inheritance. Did you or did you not say the saints shall be resurrected before this so-called ONE-thousand-year period of time only to have the earth you think they inherit utterly burned up?

He did say that, but his only response when I question it is to claim that I supposedly made a straw man argument, which I did not. In his premil view the the meek shall inherit the earth, but only temporarily until it is burned up. In amil the meek shall inherit the (renewed/new) earth for eternity. Which of those scenarios is more exciting to think about? It's not hard to answer.

 

[rwb]

And that proves Amil is false.

Is it your belief that Satan's binding is to bring harmony and peace to the earth?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here’s a few….

Jeremiah 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Jeremiah 32:37
Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:

Jeremiah 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lordour righteousness.

Ezekiel 28:26
And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the Lord their God.

Ezekiel 34:28
And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.

Ezekiel 38:8
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Ezekiel 38:11
And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

Ezekiel 38:14
Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

Zechariah 14:11
And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

You are misinterpreting all of those verses. Congrats on your consistency. Take that last verse, for example. No more utter destruction after Christ returns? Don't you believe the following occurs at the end of the thousand years (or end of Satan's little season)?

2 Petr 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

This looks like a description of the utter destruction of the earth. So, how exactly can Zechariah 14:11 be applied to a time period following Christ's return if the earth is destroyed by fire after that?