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Lambano: I would suggest as a personal positive remark for/to you and anyone, including myself, to refrain from the T word and its discussion. We can speak of the nature of Christ and his Father, God w/o shining any light directly on the T discussion.
You main premise is not factual as all, that Jesus claimed any true innate divinity at all. And thus there is no conflict with OT monotheism.
J. keep enjoying writing hollow words of no substance...never wanting to know the truth. For example, there is NO 'I AM' statement for Jesus, let alone for his Father who is God. In Exodus, most Bibles translate the Hebrew/Aramaic incorrectly. It is 'to be' or I will be' not the present tense I AM....you can really research this point to see if I'm right.I can respond to you using the morphology and syntax from both the Hebrew and NT Scriptures but that would be a waste of my time @APAK.
Rabbinical Interpretation of Blasphemy: Jewish religious leaders of the time were deeply protective of God’s sanctity, so claims to divinity (or statements interpreted as such, like Jesus’ use of “I AM” in John 8:58) were viewed as blasphemous. This response reflects not just theological opposition but also a cultural and religious duty to uphold the concept of God as singular and unapproachable in human form.
From now on I will scratch "Divinity" of Jesus and protect the FACT that Jesus is both fully Human and fully God in the flesh And the FACT that members of the Sanhedrin fully recognized Jesus' ἐγώ εἰμι.
Key "I AM" Statements of Jesus
Each "I AM" statement from Jesus either directly or indirectly links Him to the divine name revealed in the Old Testament, identifying Himself as having attributes that traditionally belong only to God.
John 8:58 – "Before Abraham was, I AM (ἐγώ εἰμι)"
Old Testament Parallels:
Exodus 3:14 – "I AM WHO I AM" (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh): God’s self-identification to Moses at the burning bush. Here, God reveals His eternal nature and independence.
Isaiah 43:10-11 – "You are my witnesses, declares the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he (אֲנִי הוּא, ani hu)." This phrase directly conveys God’s unique identity, later echoed by Jesus.
John 6:35 – "I am the bread of life"
Old Testament Parallels:
Exodus 16:4, 15 – God provides manna from heaven as bread for the Israelites, symbolizing God as the source of life and sustenance.
Deuteronomy 8:3 – "Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD." Jesus, as the "bread of life," embodies this divine sustenance.
John 8:12 – "I am the light of the world"
Old Testament Parallels:
Psalm 27:1 – "The LORD is my light and my salvation." Here, light represents God’s guidance and salvation.
Isaiah 42:6-7 – The Messiah is foretold as a "light to the nations," embodying God’s promise to bring illumination and redemption to the world.
John 10:7, 9 – "I am the door of the sheep"
Old Testament Parallels:
Psalm 118:20 – "This is the gate of the LORD; the righteous shall enter through it." Jesus, as the "door," is the entryway to salvation and life.
Ezekiel 34:23 – God declares that He will establish one shepherd over His people, foreshadowing Jesus as the shepherd and door to the fold.
John 10:11 – "I am the good shepherd"
Old Testament Parallels:
Psalm 23:1 – "The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want." Jesus as the "good shepherd" directly parallels God’s role as the shepherd of His people.
Ezekiel 34:15 – "I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep." Here, God promises to shepherd His people, which Jesus claims to fulfill.
John 11:25 – "I am the resurrection and the life"
Old Testament Parallels:
Isaiah 25:8 – God is prophesied to "swallow up death forever."
Daniel 12:2 – There is a promise of resurrection to everlasting life, and Jesus, by calling Himself the resurrection, identifies with this divine power over life and death.
John 14:6 – "I am the way, the truth, and the life"
Old Testament Parallels:
Psalm 16:11 – "You make known to me the path of life." The idea of God being the ultimate path and truth is fully realized in Jesus’ statement.
Proverbs 3:5-6 – "Trust in the LORD... and He will make straight your paths." Here, God is the way to righteousness, a role Jesus takes upon Himself.
John 15:1 – "I am the true vine"
Old Testament Parallels:
Psalm 80:8-16 – Israel is depicted as a vine planted by God, but it fails to bear fruit.
Isaiah 5:1-7 – Israel is described as God’s vineyard that did not produce good fruit. Jesus as the "true vine" claims to be the fulfillment of God’s purpose for His people.
Other Notable "I AM" References and Their Implications
John 18:5-6 – At Jesus' arrest, He responds "I AM" (ἐγώ εἰμι) when asked if He is Jesus of Nazareth. His use of the phrase causes the guards to fall back, implying a powerful connection to God’s own name and authority.
Revelation 1:8, 22:13 – Jesus says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end," echoing Isaiah 44:6 and 48:12, where God identifies Himself as the first and the last, pointing to His eternal nature.
Each of these "I AM" declarations connects Jesus with Yahweh’s self-revelation in the Hebrew Scriptures, presenting Him not merely as a prophet or teacher but as the embodiment of divine attributes and authority. By using "I AM," Jesus invokes the eternal, self-existent nature of God as revealed in the Old Testament, positioning Himself unmistakably as God incarnate.
--and by "divine" I mean GODLY attributes.
As to the snide remark me using "commentary" we all use "commentary" with each other in normal dialogue-USING the Scriptures.
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Why did they pick up stones to stone Jesus? Was it something he said?
Well, apparently he said feel my flesh something along those lines, doesn’t the word say that flesh and bones can’t enter the Kingdom?
I realize that. You may have noticed I don't post so much these days. Quality of discussion is circling the drain.
Because they disbelieved.
Well if you read just a few verses prior SS, for some context, Jesus finally answered the Pharisees when they asked him if he was greater than their father, Abraham.
Answer my question then.
there is so much error here.
He doesn't even represent the passage correctly. There is no understanding, no comprehension, just playing with words in disbelief to promote his heretical view. So much of that on this forum!
Noticed the sudden influx of casting doubt re the Scriptures?
Same to you APAK-
God does not have more than one view or more than one truth….and it is plainly outlined in Scripture…..just not the corrupted view of a thousands of opinions about what it teaches….Christendom in its hopelessly divided state, is the “weeds” of Jesus’ parable. The spirit unites….it does not divide Christ’s disciples.
